So Frustrating...

[Sharpened]

To be straight up honest, I don't want to post this. Here I am, meditating on the Father this morning and the words (including the title) pop up, along with the associated emotions. I am cringing at the thought of another lecture from someone about this issue.

It is a recurring theme: I give someone information; it gets either ignored, pooh-poohed, or outright rejected; sometime later, the person gushes over receiving the very information they got elsewhere, totally forgetting that I had mentioned it first, sometimes several times. Occasionally, I remind the person about what I said, other times, I just complain to DH. The reason why it is an issue for me is because I am not in the church and religion system, so I feel invalidated by believers because of that.

One guy I had listened to the past two years, Arthur Burk, calls it a legitimacy lie - a belief that you must do something to be seen as valid in the eyes of Yah and men. Our legitimacy should only come from the Father's love and His work in us, nowhere else. The soul always wanted to lead, instead of being in subjection to the Spirit, causing a loss of humility. Humility is caring about what Father Yah thinks about oneself above everything else.

"There is no glory in sowing seeds." That is the word I got today, meaning "no recognition, get over it." The Father had a few people with different speaking styles try to get this through my head. The adversary definitely went out of his way to mock me through others (praise or rejection). With His help, the old roots of this problems will be dug out and burned. Throw the seed and keep it moving!

 

[YvetteWithJoy]

To be straight up honest, I don't want to post this. Here I am, meditating on the Father this morning and the words (including the title) pop up, along with the associated emotions. I am cringing at the thought of another lecture from someone about this issue.

It is a recurring theme: I give someone information; it gets either ignored, pooh-poohed, or outright rejected; sometime later, the person gushes over receiving the very information they got elsewhere, totally forgetting that I had mentioned it first, sometimes several times. Occasionally, I remind the person about what I said, other times, I just complain to DH. The reason why it is an issue for me is because I am not in the church and religion system, so I feel invalidated by believers because of that.

One guy I had listened to the past two years, Arthur Burk, calls it a legitimacy lie - a belief that you must do something to be seen as valid in the eyes of Yah and men. Our legitimacy should only come from the Father's love and His work in us, nowhere else. The soul always wanted to lead, instead of being in subjection to the Spirit, causing a loss of humility. Humility is caring about what Father Yah thinks about oneself above everything else.

"There is no glory in sowing seeds." That is the word I got today, meaning "no recognition, get over it." The Father had a few people with different speaking styles try to get this through my head. The adversary definitely went out of his way to mock me through others (praise or rejection). With His help, the old roots of this problems will be dug out and burned. Throw the seed and keep it moving!

It sounds to me like you are excited to share the Word and the reason for your hope and that you let your light shine. It sounds like "you planted, somebody else watered, and the Lord gave the increase" (see scripture below).

I don't know if these will be encouraging, and some are only somewhat related, but these scriptural passages came to mind when I read your post. Love you, lady!

First passage:

1 Corinthians 3:6-8King James Version (KJV)

6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.​

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Second passage:

Matthew 5:13-16New International Version (NIV)
Salt and Light

Matthew 5:13-16New International Version (NIV)

Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.​

Third passage:

2 Corinthians 4:1-10New International Version (NIV)

1 Therefore, since through God’s mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart.

2 Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.

4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake.

6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,”[a] made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.

8 We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair;

9 persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.

10 We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.​

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Fourth passage:

1 Peter 3:12-16New International Version (NIV)
1 Peter 3:12-16New International Version (NIV)

12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous
and his ears are attentive to their prayer,
but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”[a]

13 Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good?

14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened.”[c]

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.​

 

[Bad&Bougee]

@Sharpened, I understand your frustration but look at the advice and insight you give that has helped to change someone's life, uplift their Spirit, restore their Faith, or confirm their path.

@YvetteWithJoy post of Matthew 5:14-16 is spot on. Does it really matter that you provided the exact same message but was better received when given by another? No ma'am, it doesn't. What matters is that the person received it, regardless of where it comes from. Ultimately, all the Glory be unto God.

Every year my husband and I participate in the Angel Tree. We pick a few children, get everything on their list and hope they enjoy their gifts. They have NO idea who we are but our hearts are still overjoyed just the same. Our purpose was for them to get something they wanted, not for them to know who it came from. Would that be a fair way to look at your seeds?

It was no accident that you gave me understanding in What is Your Name. You were my only response but you were THE response - YOU were meant to help me see my way through. Being associated with a Church does carry weight in some people's eyes but not everyone in the Church's information can be trusted. Individuals should also take into consideration a person's relationship with God. It is evident that you have a strong relationship and you take it serious. Your Spirit emanates through your posts.

We can't allow ourselves to get sidetracked - we have too much work to do. Just be joyous in the fact that God's messages are being spread and you just happen to be one of His many faithful servants He entrusts to do so. Isn't that the blessing?

 

[YvetteWithJoy]

I really hope I Corinthians 3:6-8 helps. One person plants. Another person waters. However, it is God Who gives the increase. And it's about God and how He invites us to partner with Him. We have these treasures in earthen vessels (in our human selves) to show that the power/blessing/wisdom/truth/etc. comes not from us but from God.

 

[Sharpened]

Thank you, thank you both. This nasty weed was planted during childhood; it and a few others have to be dug out. The adeversary will test me (it is his job), so I must seek after Father before, during, and after an event, not to worry about failure or dwell on the negative, but trusting Him to help me overcome any issue.

 

[Prudent1]

@Sharpened ,

FYI- this used to happen to me often as well. However, in my case it was my fellow church members and it was not funny at the time either. I can laugh now because I see what God was doing. I would genuinely be all excited to share something with different (hair questions, spiritual stuff, parenting, etc) ppl based on situations I knew they were going through. Never without them approaching me first and never because I was hoping to be the spot light. You know how it is, we know of the goodness of God and want to see others set free and have joy in this life. Then they would side eye me and at some later time be all googley eyed after convos with others. I once overhead a church member practically speak in tongues after the first lady told her the exact same thing I told her a few months back. Anyway, what I later learned was that God was preparing me for where I am now in life. I needed thicker skin to go where He was leading. Trust me I am soooo thankful because there are many situations I face that are cut throat. There is no way I would be able to thrive without Him....Ask God to show you what you should learn from this 'opportunity' for growth He is providing and know that your labor is not in vain!

@YvetteWithJoy - Those scriptures are spot on...

 

[Sharpened]

@Prudent1 It happens about any topic, really. For years, I had watched someone taking garbage from her grown children. A secular counselor informed her of everything I had been trying to tell her, full acceptance then. I did not want praise, just the situation she kept complaining about to be over. I understand - my impatience and Yah's timing are not the same.

I had asked for deeper refinement, so I had better take my lumps, LOL.

 

[Leigh]

To be straight up honest, I don't want to post this. Here I am, meditating on the Father this morning and the words (including the title) pop up, along with the associated emotions. I am cringing at the thought of another lecture from someone about this issue.

It is a recurring theme: I give someone information; it gets either ignored, pooh-poohed, or outright rejected; sometime later, the person gushes over receiving the very information they got elsewhere, totally forgetting that I had mentioned it first, sometimes several times. Occasionally, I remind the person about what I said, other times, I just complain to DH. The reason why it is an issue for me is because I am not in the church and religion system, so I feel invalidated by believers because of that.

One guy I had listened to the past two years, Arthur Burk, calls it a legitimacy lie - a belief that you must do something to be seen as valid in the eyes of Yah and men. Our legitimacy should only come from the Father's love and His work in us, nowhere else. The soul always wanted to lead, instead of being in subjection to the Spirit, causing a loss of humility. Humility is caring about what Father Yah thinks about oneself above everything else.

"There is no glory in sowing seeds." That is the word I got today, meaning "no recognition, get over it." The Father had a few people with different speaking styles try to get this through my head. The adversary definitely went out of his way to mock me through others (praise or rejection). With His help, the old roots of this problems will be dug out and burned. Throw the seed and keep it moving!

It could be that you planted the seed and once it was mentioned a 2nd time the person got it. For all you know 2 or 3 others may have mentioned before you.

About the soul. The soul/spirit wants to get back to heaven. The flesh what is weak.

 

[Sharpened]

About the soul. The soul/spirit wants to get back to heaven. The flesh what is weak.

The soul is not the same as the spirit; it is the heart and mind, life itself. The soul has to choose to be in subjection to the spirit or the flesh. The spirit returns to Yah; the soul is what gets judged.

 

[Leigh]

The soul is not the same as the spirit; it is the heart and mind, life itself. The soul has to choose to be in subjection to the spirit or the flesh. The spirit returns to Yah; the soul is

The soul is not the same as the spirit; it is the heart and mind, life itself. The soul has to choose to be in subjection to the spirit or the flesh. The spirit returns to Yah; the soul is what gets judged.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Again, the soul/spirit (not soul/spirit/flesh) want to get back to heaven. The flesh is what is weak.

 

[Leigh]

The soul is not the same as the spirit; it is the heart and mind, life itself. The soul has to choose to be in subjection to the spirit or the flesh. The spirit returns to Yah; the soul is what gets judged.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Again, the soul/spirit (not soul/spirit/flesh) want to get back to heaven. The flesh is what is weak.

 

[Sharpened]

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Again, the soul/spirit (not soul/spirit/flesh) want to get back to heaven. The flesh is what is weak.

Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (lives) [the spirit]; and man became a living soul.

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

I am saying that the flesh, the soul, and the spirit are separate, yet exist in one entity. The soul (your thoughts, your emotions, your ideas, your life, your consciousnesses) has to choose daily whether to follow the spirit or the flesh. Not everyone wants Yah, so to say the soul want to go to heaven is incorrect, but the spirit (the breath of lives) will always want to return to Him, believer or not.

 

[Leigh]

Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (lives) [the spirit]; and man became a living soul.

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

I am saying that the flesh, the soul, and the spirit are separate, yet exist in one entity. The soul (your thoughts, your emotions, your ideas, your life, your consciousnesses) has to choose daily whether to follow the spirit or the flesh. Not everyone wants Yah, so to say the soul want to go to heaven is incorrect, but the spirit (the breath of lives) will always want to return to Him, believer or not.

I agree they are separate and posted scripture to show that. I wasn't understanding why you thought I believe otherwise.

 

[Sharpened]

I agree they are separate and posted scripture to show that. I wasn't understanding why you thought I believe otherwise.

You wrote "soul/spirit" twice and said they both want to go to heaven when that is not true for non-believers. Many people see them as the same by mistake.

 

[Leigh]

You wrote "soul/spirit" twice and said they both want to go to heaven when that is not true for non-believers. Many people see them as the same by mistake.

No I didn't.

 

[Sharpened]

About the soul. The soul/spirit wants to get back to heaven. The flesh what is weak.

Again, the soul/spirit (not soul/spirit/flesh) want to get back to heaven. The flesh is what is weak.

Yes, you did.

 

[Leigh]

1 Thessalonians 5:23
... I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless...

Again, the soul/spirit (not soul/spirit/flesh) want to get back to heaven. The flesh is what is weak.

This shows I separated them.

 

[Leigh]

Yes, you did.

Where does that say the spirit and soul are the same thing? I gave scripture supporting the difference. I also gave scripture showing the spirit is willing to be obedient but the flesh is weak.

 

[Sharpened]

Where does that say the spirit and soul are the same thing? I gave scripture supporting the difference. I also gave scripture showing the spirit is willing to be obedient but the flesh is weak.

Then do not link them with a slash.

 

[Leigh]

Then do not link them with a slash.

Aaaahh, the slash through you off in the first post. I can see that. The supporting scriptures clarified that in the 2nd post. The comment "I agree" clarified that. There should be no debate on this.

I have seen "apples/oranges/plums" and took the slash as a separation/distinction - a whole nother word. I would've asked what do you mean. Just like I wrote "huh" on one of the comments. I wrote that because I have no clue what you were talking about.

 

[Leigh]

Then do not link them with a slash.

I hope we have clarity now. So that when you see me use a slash between words you won't be confused and think they mean the same thing or think that I think that.