The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

[Black Ambrosia]

I’m reading crazy articles about small towns on the eastern seaboard dealing with an influx of New Yorkers seeking refuge in the 2nd homes. One small island went to far as to ban these folk altogether. They have 1 ambulance, 1 doctor, etc. Said they can’t afford to expose themselves. I understand.

Another article described the wealthy moving in and buying out large portions of grocery store items. Businesses hadn’t expected these city dwellers until summer. So they aren’t prepared.

There was something on the news recently about this. Lots of people in Michigan own second homes in the upper peninsula and local officials were discouraging them from going because they don't have the resources to treat you if you get sick. Limited healthcare workers, unlikely to find ventilators, etc. It only works if you're healthy when you leave and isolate yourself once there but if you're isolating yourself anyway you might as well stay put unless you have other concerns like safety.

 

[shelli4018]

Rural communities are going to be hit hard. Many of them don’t have access to a single medical facility. Just don’t understand why they aren’t more panicked.

 

[Ganjababy]

Same thing happening in Canada. The government is telling them to stop because if they get sick those remote towns cannot care for them and they will die alone.

I’m reading crazy articles about small towns on the eastern seaboard dealing with an influx of New Yorkers seeking refuge in the 2nd homes. One small island went to far as to ban these folk altogether. They have 1 ambulance, 1 doctor, etc. Said they can’t afford to expose themselves. I understand.

Another article described the wealthy moving in and buying out large portions of grocery store items. Businesses hadn’t expected these city dwellers until summer. So they aren’t prepared.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

Rural communities are going to be hit hard. Many of them don’t have access to a single medical facility. Just don’t understand why they aren’t more panicked.

ETA: Aren't most rural areas republican strongholds?

 

[Ganjababy]

A physician friend of mine in the UK just forwarded me memo email she was sent from a consultant at one of the hospitals in London. It is scary. I just spent 3 hours on the phone with family members and close friends planning, sharing info and advising. Whoever posted the article about the plan of not resuscitating older patients- apparently it’s already being done in some places in the UK and quietly in the hard hit places in the USA. See below copy and pasted.

Dear all,

This is a full and frank message. Please forward to the rest of the family, and your loved ones if you choose.

I had a meeting today with our Medical Director, who has been in touch with government. The following therefore has some authority.

By the weekend, London will be in full lockdown, with Army manned checkpoints. Only key workers, NHS staff, police, ambulance, fire, delivery drivers, and teachers looking after the children of the above, will be allowed to move around the city.

By next week, those restrictions will apply to the country.

Tonight Lewisham Hospital is overwhelmed, ambulances on divert, and only a few ventilators left. QEH is close behind. My Trust is in the frontline of this epidemic, mainly due to local demographics. The rest of the NHS is probably little more than a week behind. We have denied critical care to four patients today, who will die as a result.

I must now be clear. Anyone over 75 years old will be denied critical care; anyone over 65 with diseases, eg diabetes, COPD, will be denied critical care. We are ramping up palliative care services. If an elderly patient falls sick, and requires hospital care, there will be an immediate DNAR order on them. They will be palliated, and they will live or die. The government forecast of 250,000 deaths is, we believe, hopelessly optimistic.

The mortality rate is very high in the elderly. The ICU stay on a ventilator even in survivors is about three weeks. We will run out of ventilators in a week.

The Army is setting up field hospitals, no doubt with squaddies manually bagging patients.

You will not hear this from Boris Johnson for a few days. But please be assured it is coming. We are two weeks behind Italy.

For the family therefore, anyone over 65 is to self isolate, possibly for many weeks. Maintain contact through frequent video calls. If they need food or supplies, take them over and leave the bags on the doorstep, and wave at them from at least a six foot distance. They are not to touch the bags for 15 minutes. Do not visit for 14 days if you or anyone in your household is unwell with and fever, cough or 'flu like symptoms. If you are unwell, stay indoors, along with your whole family. Have a neighbour or a friend drop off supplies, with no social contact.

We need to blunt the curve, which is right now exponentially rising.

For myself, you cannot imagine the stress we are under. The awful decisions we will have to make. We will be taking otherise healthy 60 year olds off a ventilator to die so we can save a 30 year old.

Please stay safe. I'll email when I can with news from the frontline.

With much love to you all,

 

[vevster]

Biden is crashing and burning and the DNC is looking for an alternative.

Good point! I’ve seen that pic several times and that didn’t cross my mind.

 

[UmSumayyah]

Biden is right to hide out IMO. He doesn’t need to do much to look better than Trump right now.

Why hide if you're going to look better? I've seen a few of these stumbling bumbling appearances. Everyone is talking about Cuomo because they don't want Sanders and Biden looks increasingly small and frail.

 

[UmSumayyah]

I’m reading crazy articles about small towns on the eastern seaboard dealing with an influx of New Yorkers seeking refuge in the 2nd homes. One small island went to far as to ban these folk altogether. They have 1 ambulance, 1 doctor, etc. Said they can’t afford to expose themselves. I understand.

Another article described the wealthy moving in and buying out large portions of grocery store items. Businesses hadn’t expected these city dwellers until summer. So they aren’t prepared.

I don't know why you wouldn't load up before you left. If you own a house there you are aware of the area's shopping.

 

[Kanky]

I'm concerned with this idea of Trump classifying areas as safe for relaxing social distancing rules. Seems like that would just drive potentially unhealthy people into spaces that already have low numbers of cases. I was on a call with someone in Florida yesterday, and he said that people coming from other states has contributed to the increased cases there. Though he's not a public health expert so I don't know haw accurate that is.

Just announcing the quarantine as a possibility would be enough to make me pack my things and go. If I thought that I would be trapped in the city and had options I would go elsewhere. The “just 2 weeks” talk is to keep people from freaking out and making a run for it. It will be months of people stuck in tiny apartments with little to no access to public spaces.

 

[UmSumayyah]

A lot of the advice being given is to avoid a panic. By panic they mean “people acting in self interested ways.” Almost all of the advice being given is not in your best interests at the moment. For example:

1. Don’t hoard supplies - supply chains are interrupted. I know people who haven’t been able to find basic things for weeks. Hoarders are ahead of the game. A lot of basic medical supplies are sold out.

2. Don’t sell your stock - rich people and politicians did. I did too, but because I was planning some large purchases and got lucky with the timing.

3. No need for guns and ammo - yeah ok. Meanwhile they are releasing criminals from prison and large numbers of people are out of work and desperate.

4. You don’t need to take out cash from the bank. Cash is king in an emergency. Imagine quarantine plus a natural disaster. Hurricane season and other disasters are not canceled.

Lots of people don't trust the news, and sometimes it's a good idea.

 

[vevster]

Biden looks increasingly small and frail.

and he has a rape accuser out there....

https://www.newsweek.com/biden-camp...ault-allegation-former-senate-staffer-1494794

 

[brg240]

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ETA: Aren't most rural areas republican strongholds?

Yeah but there quite a few non republican rural pockets. I have extended family in a small rural town in Alabama. I am concerned about them. They have a medical Center that services thier town and probably surrounding towns.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

Lots of people don't trust the news, and sometimes it's a good idea.

I think this is a dangerous message that's taken hold of both democrats and republicans. A better idea is to find credible news sources and use discernment.

 

[dancinstallion]

I think this is a dangerous message that's taken hold of both democrats and republicans. A better idea is to find credible news sources and use discernment.

I have realized that most people dont have discernment.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

I have realized most people dont have discernment.

A lot of people never learned how to think critically or for themselves.

 

[nycutiepie]

Just announcing the quarantine as a possibility would be enough to make me pack my things and go. If I thought that I would be trapped in the city and had options I would go elsewhere. The “just 2 weeks” talk is to keep people from freaking out and making a run for it. It will be months of people stuck in tiny apartments with little to no access to public spaces.

You are all scaring the ish out of me and have me thinking whether or not we need to get the ***. My mother lives in Brooklyn and I'm in the suburbs. I'm wondering if he would quarantine just the city ( 5 boroughs) or the entire state? The number of infected people are highest in the boroughs which is where most lower income people live. However, Manhattan has tons of wealthy folks. I'm thinking about what the long term impact of a quarantine would be if you have enough supplies? This ish is getting worse by the day.

 

[shelli4018]

How would one enforce a quarantine in NY? Folk everywhere seem to ignore the mere suggestion of staying put.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

You are all scaring the ish out of me and have me thinking whether or not we need to get the ***. My mother lives in Brooklyn and I'm in the suburbs. I'm wondering if he would quarantine just the city ( 5 boroughs) or the entire state? The number of infected people are highest in the boroughs which is where most lower income people live. However, Manhattan has tons of wealthy folks. I'm thinking about what the long term impact of a quarantine would be if you have enough supplies? This ish is getting worse by the day.

There's some question about whether he has the legal authority to even do this. Experts say states are under the governor's control. If he can do it, I think it would apply to the state. New Rochelle was identified early as a hotspot and it's outside of the 5 boroughs. (At least I think it is. Please correct me if I'm wrong.) Seems unlikely you'd quarantine the boroughs and ignore other problematic areas.

If I were you, I'd think about moving in with mom or having her move in with me. I wouldn't want my mom to be alone.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

How would one enforce a quarantine in NY? Folk everywhere seem to ignore the mere suggestion of staying put.

That was the whole idea behind the national guard deployment rumors last week except it was for the whole country not certain states.

 

[moneychaser]

How would one enforce a quarantine in NY? Folk everywhere seem to ignore the mere suggestion of staying put.

You should watch contagion

 

[vevster]

How would one enforce a quarantine in NY? Folk everywhere seem to ignore the mere suggestion of staying put.

The Gov knows nothing about it and doesn’t like the idea.

 

[Chromia]

People continue not to take this seriously. My local Dept of Health & the sheriff's office shut down 2 bars/restaurants last night. They were serving dine-in customers even though the governor said to do take-out or delivery only.

 

[Kanky]

I think this is a dangerous message that's taken hold of both democrats and republicans. A better idea is to find credible news sources and use discernment.

The problem is that credible news sources still report lies. For example Trump administration says that this Coronavirus thing is nothing to worry about. Meanwhile they are selling their stock and telling their wealthy friends that we are looking at Spanish flu type scenario.

Then they report what the CDC says about masks and tell people that the stay at home orders will be for 2 weeks, but then mention that we should all have three months worth of prescriptions on hand.

It isn’t that the media isn’t credible. They aren’t lying about what Trump and the CDC said, but they are just letting the lies sit there without much serious discussion or investigation into whether or not the person that they spoke to is telling the truth.

 

[Kanky]

People continue not to take this seriously. My local Dept of Health & the sheriff's office shut down 2 bars/restaurants last night. They were serving dine-in customers even though the governor said to do take-out or delivery only.

I have received two invitations to get togethers this week, including one from a nurse who works in a nursing home. People are not taking it seriously at all.

 

[vevster]

I don’t think he posted this to slight Biden but instead he is taking a jab at Orange. The way Governor Cuomo has been handling this crisis daily for the state of New York is top notch meanwhile the White House...

I think both, Biden is a hot mess.

Those illustrations of the virus creep me out.

 

[brg240]

Smh so many shady people in high places. Or at least people willing to do shady things

Reading about some of the Leadership at the WHO and yikes!!! they definetly dropped the ball to stay in good graces with China


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[Keen]

Have you ladies seen this video? What do you think?

 

[Jmartjrmd]

CORONAVIRUS ILLINOIS
Coronavirus update: Illinois reports 1st death of infant with COVID-19 in US; Chicago considered among next hot spots

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The Illinois Department of Public Health reported the first COVID-19 related death of an infant in the United States on Saturday.



By Eric Horng, Michelle Gallardo and Jesse Kirsch
Updated an hour ago
CHICAGO (WLS) -- A Chicago infant who tested positive for coronavirus has died, Illinois officials announced Saturday.

The Illinois Department of Public Health said it's the first coronavirus-related death of a child under one year of age in the United States.

"There has never before been a death associated with COVID-19 in an infant," IDPH Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike. "A full investigation is underway to determine the cause of death. We must do everything we can to prevent the spread of this deadly virus. If not to protect ourselves, but to protect those around us."

Announcing the death during his daily briefing Saturday, Gov. JB Pritzker appeared shaken.

Newborns and babies so far have seemed largely unaffected by the virus, which is most lethal in the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions.

"At Lurie Children's we've diagnosed several children with it and we've diagnosed children who have a weak immune system and we've diagnosed healthy children. And in all of our patients, they've had a relatively mild course," said Lurie Children's Hospital Dr. Larry Kociolek. "While children aren't completely free from that fatal outcome, it is exceedingly unlikely to occur in an otherwise healthy child."

It's been a week since a "stay-at-home" order took effect in the state. While most people are now staying indoors, the total number of infections continues to grow, standing at just under 3,500 confirmed cases.

Gov. JB Pritzker announced the infant's death as well as the death of a state employee who was diagnosed with COVID-19 Saturday. The employee works within the Department of Human Services, Pritzker said.

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker announced Saturday that an infant who tested positive for coronavirus has died.



Illinois' total coronavirus cases jumped by 465 and 13 additional deaths on Saturday. There are now 3,491 coronavirus cases in the state, including 47 deaths.

The virus has spread to 43 Illinois counties, with Carroll, Fayette, and Macon counties now reporting cases.

"I want everyone to take this serious," Dr. Ezike said. "Maybe this is your wake-up call."

Illinois Department of Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike reported the first "death associated with COVID-19 in an infant" on Saturday.

 

[pear]

Smh so many shady people in high places. Or at least people willing to do shady things

Reading about some of the Leadership at the WHO and yikes!!! they definetly dropped the ball to stay in good graces with China


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The thought of 4 more years of his foolishness makes me want to pull every single stand of hair out my head

 

[Ganjababy]