vevster
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I was just saying the same thing..... 'survival of the fittest'.
The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc
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ThirdEyeBeauty
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Media needs to talk more about improving immune system. Most people are not going to the hospital. Remember this was the "first" time we were exposed and hospitals were already sending home people who presented with sickness significant for them to want to go to the hospital in the first place. Now that we are learning more, we know the immune system is key. Vaccines@ThirdEyeBeauty I think we have to accept that until there's a vaccine most of us are going to get exposed to this thing - unless we remain completely on lockdown. So the stay in order is really to make sure that the hospitals and healthcare workers can keep pace with those falling ill that actually need the most care, so they can be treated without doctors/nurses having to make decisions about who gets a vent and who doesn't. Etc etc. And frankly the last thing I want to do is have to go into a hospital / be ventilated - 80% of those intubated patients are dying. Thus all the great tips everyone is sharing in this thread about how to stay healthy are really appreciated. Heck my pulse oximeter was just delivered and I felt like a kid at Christmas lol (After cleaning it with lysol wipes it shows 99% oxygen sat thank you very much)
I know we in our household have zero intention of going out anywhere anytime soon unless its absolutely necessary. That means, no restaurants, beauty salons, nail places, movies ... it ain't worth it. We did one Costco run with masks and gloves, lysol wipes at the ready over a week ago. And the rest of our supplies are being delivered. DH has his garden going and we're already drowning in chard, kale and other lettuces. Tomatoes, cukes and peas are coming soon. About the only other thing we will be doing is voting in November - and we will early vote (we're in VA) to avoid the crowds - and we may plan a run to Lowes for an extra freezer since we haven't found a suitable one online.
, I'll pass. If I had a choice, I'll take my chances with this virus itself. Now if the illness was worse than presented then I would rethink that but this thing I *almost* want to say is weaker than the flu. I don't care if it is more contagious, it still seems weaker. Speaking of the "regular" flu, the media can gave me some comparable statistics please so that I can definitely say that. I like to read up about those people with "regular" flu in the hospital. Got any of those people?
geminilive
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Exactly! It all goes in the database and they are all accessible. This guy used
Tylenol, turmeric, garlic and ginger.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/nyc-hospital-worker-beats-coronavirus-and-returns-to-work/
Dposh167
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never in my life have I gotten more stress from watching press briefings from the leader of our country. It shouldn't be like this.
Which is why I took a break this week. If I watched this man talk about injecting disinfectants I would've thrown my tv out of the window. Then I would've had to go get it back because it's the only thing keeping me sane in this house
Which is why I took a break this week. If I watched this man talk about injecting disinfectants I would've thrown my tv out of the window. Then I would've had to go get it back because it's the only thing keeping me sane in this house
MzRhonda
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Not me!
shahala
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Media needs to talk more about improving immune system. Most people are not going to the hospital. Remember this was the "first" time we were exposed and hospitals were already sending home people who presented with sickness significant for them to want to go to the hospital in the first place. Now that we are learning more, we know the immune system is key. Vaccines
I’ve had the flu and I assure you this feels many times worse.
A doctor explained to me that a strong immune system might not stop you from getting the virus but it may help you recover quicker. She said something about immunity memory and that the same immunity that has worked with colds and flus etc. will not work with this virus because our bodies have not experienced it before, so it has no experience and memory of fighting it off. So that’s why healthy people with good immune systems can get it.
She also said some things about research showing some people with certain blood types getting hit harder than others and there’s a lot that they are still learning.
She’s a traditional doctor but with a strong holistic/alternative medicine leaning.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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You had both? Can you do a comparison for us, for the sake of learning?
B_Phlyy
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Cheeto knows nothing about anything and because he only has the vocabulary of a 4th grader (and I apologize to any 4th graders smarter than him), he's misusing the wording for the concept of herd immunity. We are well past containing this virus and since there is no vaccine, we have to depend on each other for immunity. So while we are all likely going to be exposed to it, not all are going to get sick and but those that do will need to go to the hospital. As @dicapr stated, the healthcare system is really not ready for that influx due to lack of supplies and a delay in processing the labs. The amount of time from testing to results is decreasing but it's still at least 5 days in most places.
Once more accurate tests are available, we will see a drastic rise in the the incidence of COVID-19. Not because it will be more prevalent but because we will have a better way to collect the data. Because make no mistake, if the shelter in place order is lifted too quickly, people are going to go to the very few establishments that are open and they will not be practicing social distancing. Any cough or sneeze from anyone and the whole place is going to clear and head to the hospital because they think they've been exposed.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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Yes. That is the key to this all. Anyone not feeling too well are the ones who should be sheltering in place. This here quarantining the well and training us that is okay makes no sense at this time especially now that we know the virus is weak enough for many people to know they had it.
ETA: Speaking of collect the data, anyone thought to died of complications of COVID-19 are counted in the death statistics. That information cannot be undone. So to get to the over 50,000 dead that we have in the states we had to overestimate.
ETA2: Are we waiting on that vaccine?
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vevster
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Not necessarily! Some sweat it out.
dicapr
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That circles back to the testing issue and the fact that health care providers didn’t know what they were seeing initially. It’s a catch 22. We have been underestimating our cases for a while. Now we are going back and realizing that we missed quite a few. Maybe we have an issue with overestimation now.
But the fact that there was a rise in individuals dying at home at the same time we had an outbreak of COVID is very suspicious. The numbers definitely are not as low as we initially thought but they maybe higher than they actually are.
If anything I think we may still be on the low side. Czar dumb dumb and his people quickly walked back the 100,000 dead by August and pushed it down to 60,000. Then we were told everything was ok and to reopen the economy. Here we are sitting at over 40K deaths total and it’s still April.
I think you are looking the wrong way in your conspiracy theory. It would be better to deflate the numbers and get everyone back out to jumpstart the economy
ETA: You do realize we are quarantining the “well” because they can be carriers. Plus 45-60% of Americans qualify as having a preexisting condition. I had to look that one up myself. If you going off of that half the country isn’t well enough to be out and about.
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Jmartjrmd
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I don't think its weaker than a seasonal flu. It has shown it causes a more severe illness as it progresses. I'm not a flu expert but don't recall the myriad of complications this thing has as compared with the flu.Media needs to talk more about improving immune system. Most people are not going to the hospital. Remember this was the "first" time we were exposed and hospitals were already sending home people who presented with sickness significant for them to want to go to the hospital in the first place. Now that we are learning more, we know the immune system is key. Vaccines
Just looking at various statistics available, at a high estimate 40,000 people die each year in the US from flu or 1% of people who get it. In comparison 3.5% of people with covid die. So a sample size of 10,000, 100 people would die from flu vs 350 for covid. Let's just say in my example all those patients needed admitting. In a 400 bed hospital the covid patients would take up 87% of beds vs 25% of the flu..that's a huge difference.
Just looking at the eye test seasonal flu isnt crippling hospitals to the point they need a bailout or using so much PPE that there isn't enough to go around. We can think about the flu each year but most people don't worry about it like this. We dont need daily briefings or refrigerator trucks as temporary morgues to deal with influenza.
The media likes to show you the people who had comorbidities and are elderly but not the perfectly healthy people who just dropped dead from this virus ( although as more die we hear more).
Remember too this is a novel virus vs flu thats been around and been studied. It's possible as more research is done C19 would have similar numbers as flu,
maybe possible, but theres just so much more to learn.
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shahala
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I spoke up thread about my experience but I would say with the flu I had body aches , runny nose and sore throat. With the Covid I had body aches but they were so terrible I would wake up at the night screaming. And those were the nights I could actually sleep. The pain went down to my bones. It started from under my breast to the bottom of my feet. I felt like I was going crazy. And the pain was always worse at night. This is really different than the body aches you get with the flu.
Also from other experiences I read of other COvid patients it is doubly worse when coupled with a high temperature. I never developed a temperature. They checked my temperature at least 6 times and I never had a high temperature. Not everyone gets a temperature.
So I am curious about companies that are checking people’s temperature as way of checking for the virus before they come into a warehouse or store. Not everyone develops a temperature. Also not everyone develops blinding headaches.
So it was the body aches, but the universal symptoms seem to be loss of appetite, loss of smell and loss of taste. I had those. It was awful. I had to force myself to eat but it was so difficult. I lost about 13lbs in a little less than 2 weeks. And because you are not eating it makes you feel even weaker. When I went to the emergency room I was asking them for an IV because I was feeling so weak from lack of food. They looked at me like I was crazy. Lol
Those were my symptoms for the first week. The second week is when the symptoms changed and I developed a cough. I was still thinking I had the flu but by Thursday night of the 2nd week I was struggling to breathe and I couldn’t speak and breathe at the same time. That’s when I went to the emergency room.
In retrospect, I believe that if I had gone to the emergency room that first week, I might not have developed pneumonia. I was still Thinking I had a bad case of the flu. I was boiling the orange peels onions etc. and nothing was working.
This thing kinda messes with your mind too. I’ve always been healthy,, used to take lots of supplements (that’s another story) exercised etc but this thing just got a hold of me But thankfully, my lungs are strong and oxygen levels high so that gave me a more positive outcome than a lot of others.
And if you’re leading a healthy lifestyle but still smoke Cigarettes or weed, it will be harder to fight this virus.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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Any nurses, physicians, pharmacists laid off this or last month because your services were not needed during that time?
We have been in the house for over a month, wearing masks to the grocery store, school canceled, tens of millions losing their jobs and the clown in the White House is telling people to inject Lysol. At this point I hope that his supporters take his advice, because we can't do this for four more years.
B_Phlyy
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But that's the rub. The incubation period for COVID-19 is so long that there are people who are currently "well" who are essentially just waiting for symptoms to develop. And the virus is so tricky that even when symptoms occur, people may not recognize them as being related to the infection. One of my coworkers who test positive only lost her sense of taste and smell. She was scheduled for an oral surgery due to chronic tonsillitis issues and allergies so she assumed it was related to that. She had her symptoms for a week and it was only after they were not responsive to prescribed medicine did she receive the test. Even now, she never spiked a temp or had a cough. So she seems well, but if she was out and an about, she'd be an active agent of infection and no one around her would know it. This is why as many as can need to stay at home.
And the number of deaths is probably an underestimation. While COVID-19 is new, many other comorbidities are not and even in terminal cases, we can pretty accurately tell when something went wrong. A 50 y/o with diabetes who had a recent A1c of 8.1 % who died after 2 weeks of a cough likely had coronavirus. Now if we were to add 30 years and make them 80 y/o with 60 years of smoke history, then I'd question it.
Those that can will but there are way more that can't.
If me or you @vevster were exposed, I'd fully expect your immune system to beat 'rona like she owed it money. But there are so many who are barely getting basic supplies, let alone the supplements we suggest here. They aren't ready for the onslaught that corona could do to their bodies.
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ThirdEyeBeauty
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How long?
ThirdEyeBeauty
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So far, according to the CDC, as of today people under the age of 24 have a higher chance of dying of influenza.
ETA: So far, data shows in the following states you have a higher chance of dying from influenza: Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas. There is a warning that each state may report death at different times and reporting may be affected by C19 pandemic.
ETA: So far, data shows in the following states you have a higher chance of dying from influenza: Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas. There is a warning that each state may report death at different times and reporting may be affected by C19 pandemic.
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C@ssandr@
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Covid Crackdown on Pedophiles in Virginia; Pedophiles think that it is PRIME TIME since so many kids are home with many of them alone.
More than 50 million children in the United States are at home due to the coronavirus pandemic that forced the shut down of schools, restaurants and bars, and other businesses deemed non-essential.
While states are developing plans to slowly reopen, it's unclear if that will take weeks or months, which means children will likely be at home for the remainder of the 2019-2020 school.
With many taking online classes this could mean they are spending more time on the internet and are therefore more exposed to dangers posed by peodophiles who use the internet to exploit children.
Link?
And people cannot bring themselves to vote for anybody but Bernie.
I've been contemplating how many people scoff at any govt types that are not a democracy.
Some people just aren't good at making decisions. Not for themselves and definittely not for others.
Some people honestly would thrive under a dictator. Some folks literally need to be threatened or forced to do the right/best thing.
Just observe how some are handling the pandemic. Even on this board! My coworker told me that back in her country folks were/are being shot with rubber bullets for not staying inside.
I mean...I just dont feel bad.
TrulyBlessed
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B_Phlyy
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My personal opinion; at least end of July.
This thread is exactly 3 months old today. We went from being concerned about a few isolated cases in the USA to a global pandemic in less than 60 days. Supplies are just now beginning to stabilize for healthcare workers. My clinic has been doing drive thru testing for about 2 weeks. We had to stretch 75 test over that time. Starting Monday, we will be able to do 50-60 test per day. Before the pandemic, we would see 75 patients per DAY for regular testing (for their chronic conditions). All anyone wants now is the COVID-19 test. We'd never be able to keep up with the demand if no one was sheltering in place. Because even if patients weren't having symptoms, they'd still want us to test them, just in case. And we still don't have a universal basic treatment plan for people who do test positive.
So yeah, it's taken us this long to get to this point (and this isn't even necessarily a good point) so it's going to take at least as long to get past it. People should stay inside for non-essential things. Let the essential businesses that are open now slowly expand back to normal operations and see how that goes for about a month. Then open up the malls, local shops, and restaurants. Still fairly easy to social distance, control capacity, and disinfect in those places. Again, see how things go for a few months. Finally, we can open up large scale closed places such a stadiums and concert arenas. We should have enough information and effects of herd immunity at that point where if someone was positive and exposed, we'd be able to rapidly test, treat, and isolate.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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Will this contact tracing be needed? How do we reach herd immunity?
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awhyley
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I know a PA who was furloughed. She works for a medspa and they only do cosmetic stuff. Any procedure that you won’t die without has been delayed and medical personnel aren’t fungible, so I would expect some layoffs.
Lylddlebit
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Ever had a boss who is a moron but you make them look good in meetings despite reality because them looking bad would have a negative impact on you? Her interview is what happens on the day you are on vacation or leave of absence and they believe they can handle something important(that you normally correct behind them)without you lol... All I wondered was who off work during that interview because I am certain...that is a level of ineptitude she is used to being saved from. I am telling ya'll covid-19 is revealing truth by the pound. In general people talk a good game but specific reality is literally proving to each of us everything we need to know about our own character traits, our strengths, our weaknesses, our values, our priorities, our relationships, our faith, our merit, our dependence, our sufficiency, our leaders, our friends, our family and how we do or don't handle our business.
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^^Things like this are why I think that the “government is over counting Covid19 deaths to keep us locked in our houses” folks sound crazy. The government likes money more than most. The US has delayed collecting taxes and all over the world people are losing money while we wait. They have every reason to undercount and tell us to get back to normal as quickly as possible.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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Fine for the most part. Kind of bored.
Transformer
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The story isn’t hard to find, but here is one.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Virginia-county-Covid-crackdown.html#comments
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