The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

[Reinventing21]

What would China’s motive be for creating a virus that harmed their own economy?

It could have been an experiment that got out of control or there is the fact that when it comes to world domination, leaders become ruthless and will sacrifice some of their own if it means being on top.

Someone (forgot who) posted a video of Indian news reportero pointing out how the Chinese are benefitting right now while everyone else is struggling.

I am not saying to believe this was a deliberate act, but rather that people should keep their eyes open.

 

[Peppermynt]

Really? May I ask how did you come to that conclusion?

There are articles about blood clots happening to these patients online. Just search in google.

 

[ThirdEyeBeauty]

There are articles about blood clots happening to these patients online. Just search in google.

I'm talking about stress conclusion.

 

[Kanky]

My problem is that this virus has literally crippled us to give up our life when most people are not at risk of losing their life as a direct effect of getting the virus. There are many more viruses that did not crippled us but somehow this one did. Does not make sense to me from what I know. No one wants to hear that though. People who at risk should take precautions yes. Also businesses should say anyone with uncontrollable cough, sneeze, fever, or sore throat should not come in or at least wear a mask. Don't discriminate for just this virus.

We don’t know what the long term effects of having this virus are. We aren’t even sure how many people have had it or have died of it. The antibody tests are not very accurate. The biggest risk seems to be being fat, which is about half the country.

Most of the restrictions are things that would have happened anyway as people changed their behavior to avoid catching this disease. Airlines aren’t shutdown, but no one is flying. Movie theaters and restaurants had huge drop offs before they were closed. Many businesses started letting employees work from home before they were told to do so by the CDC.

 

[Keen]

I spoke up thread about my experience but I would say with the flu I had body aches , runny nose and sore throat. With the Covid I had body aches but they were so terrible I would wake up at the night screaming. And those were the nights I could actually sleep. The pain went down to my bones. It started from under my breast to the bottom of my feet. I felt like I was going crazy. And the pain was always worse at night. This is really different than the body aches you get with the flu.



Also from other experiences I read of other COvid patients it is doubly worse when coupled with a high temperature. I never developed a temperature. They checked my temperature at least 6 times and I never had a high temperature. Not everyone gets a temperature.

So I am curious about companies that are checking people’s temperature as way of checking for the virus before they come into a warehouse or store. Not everyone develops a temperature. Also not everyone develops blinding headaches.

So it was the body aches, but the universal symptoms seem to be loss of appetite, loss of smell and loss of taste. I had those. It was awful. I had to force myself to eat but it was so difficult. I lost about 13lbs in a little less than 2 weeks. And because you are not eating it makes you feel even weaker. When I went to the emergency room I was asking them for an IV because I was feeling so weak from lack of food. They looked at me like I was crazy. Lol

Those were my symptoms for the first week. The second week is when the symptoms changed and I developed a cough. I was still thinking I had the flu but by Thursday night of the 2nd week I was struggling to breathe and I couldn’t speak and breathe at the same time. That’s when I went to the emergency room.

In retrospect, I believe that if I had gone to the emergency room that first week, I might not have developed pneumonia. I was still Thinking I had a bad case of the flu. I was boiling the orange peels onions etc. and nothing was working.

This thing kinda messes with your mind too. I’ve always been healthy,, used to take lots of supplements (that’s another story) exercised etc but this thing just got a hold of me But thankfully, my lungs are strong and oxygen levels high so that gave me a more positive outcome than a lot of others.

And if you’re leading a healthy lifestyle but still smoke Cigarettes or weed, it will be harder to fight this virus.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I’m glad you are better.

 

[Kanky]

Really? May I ask how did you come to that conclusion?

Yes really. Assuming that your paychecks are coming in as usual and you like your house and family then you are probably getting more sleep, cooking healthier meals at home, spending less time stuck in traffic, and getting outside to exercise more.

For example my husband took our kids fishing (on our property) yesterday at lunch time and has been working on the screened porch with his feet up and beer in nice weather. The kids have two hours of school work in the morning and then get to read and play outside. I am reading a book and sipping immune boosting teas instead of waiting in the school drop off/ pick up line. I am tired of cleaning my own house, my nails are trash and the slow shipping is bugging me, but other than that I’m good. It is going to be hard to talk a lot of people into going back to before.

 

[awhyley]

MAGATs are out here explaining it away with him being sarcastic. Then when you say that a press briefing during a pandemic crisis is not the time for sarcasm you get well maybe it is.... I can’t say what I want to say out loud, but God knows my heart.

With your powers combined . . . Here is the MAGAT quinfecta.

 

[Reinventing21]

^^How can people at risk take precautions if no one else does? The fact is that this virus is way too transmissible. There are people who died who did not even fall into the at risk categories. So, how can people decide for themselves if they are at risk?

Wuhan had many poor who died quickly making it seem as though this disease was extremely deadly. Then you have the Italians who culturally are very touchy feely, get together in groups many times a day also dying in huge numbers. You also have a certain sect of Jews in NY also known as being close knit and gathering all the time in small quarters who were also hit hard. Now racial disparities in healthcare are affecting minorities and especially economically disadvantaged communities.

The fact is that this disease can get very deadly with the right circumstances (as with any disease). Add to that its high rate of transmission and we have a huge outbreak problem which also btw exacerbates the weaknesses of U.S. infrastructure.

Ironically the fact that the virus spread slowed down during lock down has made people feel there was never a real threat.

Rather than wasting time and energy arguing over whether there was/is a a real threat, people should focus on how to fix these glaring societal/ economic issues that caused the U.S. economy to fall apart so shockingly quickly and easily. That way, people can be better prepared in case there is a huge wave of illness in the fall or any other pandemic.

 

[Kanky]

@ThirdEyeBeauty
Notice that the social distancing guidelines about 10+ gatherings with family and friends aren’t really enforceable by law, but people are social distancing anyway. We aren’t legally required to wear masks, but most people are wearing them while shopping. People don’t want to risk catching the new plague and are acting accordingly. This is why the GOP fake protests and talking points are all aimed at convincing people that it is safe and that the people who are staying in are doing so because of government tyranny.

In reality people are voluntarily sheltering in place.

 

[vevster]

What would China’s motive be for creating a virus that harmed their own economy?

It could have escaped because there was a report that the lab in Wuhan had careless safety practices.

That said, I downloaded --- a 77 page coronavirus survival guide and have to go through it and vet the references.... I got it from Mercola.com a site that I trust....

 

[vevster]

However, knowing that is a nature made virus does not assuage fears over the role man possibly played in its spread.

What better way to hide a bioweapon if you use a nature made virus? You could deliberately inject it into the population, and then later feign innocence by showing how the virus was not designed in a lab.

Good Point!

 

[UmSumayyah]

I don't know about the man made claims and would like to read about it. I can say 100% that this virus was here at least several weeks before the first post.

On a good note, many positive things will come including much cleaner, hygienic restaurants experiences. Maybe we can make a new thread about some of the positive outcomes?

If people who were previously nasty washed their hands going forward I'm sure lots of infections of all types can be reduced.

 

[ThirdEyeBeauty]

Yes really. Assuming that your paychecks are coming in as usual and you like your house and family then you are probably getting more sleep, cooking healthier meals at home, spending less time stuck in traffic, and getting outside to exercise more.

For example my husband took our kids fishing (on our property) yesterday at lunch time and has been working on the screened porch with his feet up and beer in nice weather. The kids have two hours of school work in the morning and then get to read and play outside. I am reading a book and sipping immune boosting teas instead of waiting in the school drop off/ pick up line. I am tired of cleaning my own house, my nails are trash and the slow shipping is bugging me, but other than that I’m good. It is going to be hard to talk a lot of people into going back to before.

Yes!


"Tell it like it is...."

 

[Ganjababy]

I see people stating that most are not affected and the percentage is low but ignore the fact that it is more contagious than the flu, so many more people can be infected which means millions could potentially die. Therefore, isolation is important and it is working to keep the numbers lower than it would be without isolation.

COVID-19 morbidity and mortality rates has overwhelmed many healthcare systems and morgues in some parts of the world. Imagine if they had decided not to isolate? The death toll would have been way more than the 200K thus far. Furthermore, 25-50% of infected people do not know they have the virus because they don’t feel sick. In my life time I have never seen any city setting up field hospitals because they had no beds for flu patients. Never seen people being buried in mass graves either because of the flu.

I have only ever known one person in my family to die of the flu. In the last month alone 3 people have died of COVID-19. It may be too early to compare the death rates to flu but I am sure the COVID deaths will be way more when we can gather the full data and compare for similar time periods.

Though I can imagine some people maybe experiencing dire straits and need to go back to work. But I think isolation is saving lives.

 

[ThirdEyeBeauty]

Walgreens Announces Frontline Hero Discount Day on April 25


Company shows appreciation for first responders, police and medical personnel across the country

https://news.walgreens.com/covid-19...s-frontline-hero-discount-day-on-april-25.htm

 

[ThirdEyeBeauty]

Peace and Love

 

[Dellas]

I’m sorry to hear about your cousin and will say a prayer for your family. I hope people understand that these are unusual times and that people may not come to the funeral because of the danger of doing so.

They are doing a graveside funeral. Mom not going but uncle will represent our branch of the family tree. For some reason it is considered rude to not show up and pay respect. I learned the hard way. Thanks for prayer.
Thanks ladies for all the information you have provided: sleep on stomach, breathing, vit c and d, heat, sun, humidifier, ....
I think I have brought every device advocated.
This whole thing is nerve racking and has really been affecting my anxiety.

 

[nycutiepie]

Don’t know if this was posted yet, but they are now looking into whether or not Covid-19 is causing strokes in people in their 30’s and 40’s.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

There are a lot of people who have died at home or had a stroke without being tested.

Very interesting. I know someone in her 40s who had a stroke while she was home recovering from Covid-19. I can't remember if she got tested but she knew she had it based on her symptoms. Also, her boyfriend was sick 2 weeks before her with what they believe was Covid-19 (he was sick before the alarm) and she was around him.

She suffered a mild stroke and was taken to the hospital and is now in one of the best rehabilitation centers (Burke in White Plains NY) in the country.

 

[Kitamita]

I had shortness of breath on 4/1 so I went to Urgent Care and got a Rona test. I had no other symptoms but shortness of breath and fatigue. So uncomfortable. I thought the doctor was going to shove that stick to my brain! I tested negative, it was just my asthma and allergies.

But check this out, I think I had the Rona in January. I thought I had a really bad flu and urgent care (it’s 2 minutes from my house and efficiently run by Carbon Health) gave me a breathing treatment, Tylenol, a scrip for Tamiflu and information about how to treat the flu. When I went online to check my Rona test results I went and looked up my labs from 1/20 and I tested negative for flu A and B.

I had all the Rona symptoms, very high fever for 5 days, a cough, couldn’t breathe, headaches, no taste, no appetite, sore throat, vomiting, diahrrea and extreme fatigue. I didn’t have these symptoms all at once, they appeared and disappeared and reappeared in the span of two weeks. I went to ER on day 6 because I couldn’t breathe. (I scared my husband to death when I started crying because I couldn’t breathe. I was really scared) They x-rayed my lungs for pneumonia, shot me up with a lot of steroids, gave me oxygen and some breathing treatments. I stayed overnight on oxygen and left the next day when my oxygen levels were up and stable. They told me to get a pulse oximeter and monitor my oxygen levels. I had to go back on day 9 cuz my oxygen levels were low again and I couldn’t breathe again and they kept me for 2 days on oxygen. More steroids and breathing treatments. They said my lungs were really inflamed but I didn’t have pneumonia. I thought it just was my asthma. The Tamiflu didn’t do anything, it mocked me. My husband got sick after me but he was only sick for 5 days. Low grade fever, headaches and diarrhea were his symptoms. If that wasn’t a flu then what was it? Was it just some odd strain of flu? I’m really interested in getting an antibody test to confirm my suspicions.

I am glad you have recovered. It's a humbling experience.

I do think it has been active for here longer than stated. I have a friend who was deathly ill in August 2019. He recovered but I really was worried he wouldn't make it. Early 50's, relatively healthy as far as I know. He had fever,chills, body aches, shortness of breath/chest congestion. Went to the hospital twice admitted once due not being able to breathe. He was sick for 32 days, the doctors ran a battery of tests and had no idea what was wrong. Like you mentioned none of the treatments they tried could knock it down. He said it was the sickest he's ever been in his life. He now wants to get tested for antibodies to see if he had Covid-19. I will say it lit a fire under his butt because he's gotten into the best shape of his life. Working out, eating right, cut back on alcohol.

 

[nycutiepie]

Today my mom's first cousin, my second cousin died of coronavirus. We thought she would pull through. Now the family, including my mom and myself, are debating going to the funeral.
This has hit home for me even more. I literally have to choose showing respect and keeping family expectations or protect my health.
There are two things my family is about...funerals and reunions. Terrible position.

My condolences on your loss.

I suggest do what works for you. People pleasing has caused many people to become resentful in the long run. As adults, we are often faced with tough decisions and we need to make the best choice for ourselves based on the information we have at the time. Sometimes we have to be comfortable with the fact that our decisions may make other people uncomfortable. We have no control over how other people feel but we have control over how we react to it.

 

[awhyley]

Wow, mom's cousin went into the hospital for something non-COVID related, however, the ward he was placed on was comprised, (i.e. the hospital accepted someone with COVID-19 unknowingly). Now he's reporting that he can't breathe. We're already in double-digits with the death toll. We'll see how this goes. (Dellas - Have my sympathy).

 

[Ganjababy]

This is interesting. Thanks for sharing. I am curious to know if he has antibodies.

I am glad you have recovered. It's a humbling experience.

I do think it has been active for here longer than stated. I have a friend who was deathly ill in August 2019. He recovered but I really was worried he wouldn't make it. Early 50's, relatively healthy as far as I know. He had fever,chills, body aches, shortness of breath/chest congestion. Went to the hospital twice admitted once due not being able to breathe. He was sick for 32 days, the doctors ran a battery of tests and had no idea what was wrong. Like you mentioned none of the treatments they tried could knock it down. He said it was the sickest he's ever been in his life. He now wants to get tested for antibodies to see if he had Covid-19. I will say it lit a fire under his butt because he's gotten into the best shape of his life. Working out, eating right, cut back on alcohol.

 

[nycutiepie]

I had shortness of breath on 4/1 so I went to Urgent Care and got a Rona test. I had no other symptoms but shortness of breath and fatigue. So uncomfortable. I thought the doctor was going to shove that stick to my brain! I tested negative, it was just my asthma and allergies.

But check this out, I think I had the Rona in January. I thought I had a really bad flu and urgent care (it’s 2 minutes from my house and efficiently run by Carbon Health) gave me a breathing treatment, Tylenol, a scrip for Tamiflu and information about how to treat the flu. When I went online to check my Rona test results I went and looked up my labs from 1/20 and I tested negative for flu A and B.

I had all the Rona symptoms, very high fever for 5 days, a cough, couldn’t breathe, headaches, no taste, no appetite, sore throat, vomiting, diahrrea and extreme fatigue. I didn’t have these symptoms all at once, they appeared and disappeared and reappeared in the span of two weeks. I went to ER on day 6 because I couldn’t breathe. (I scared my husband to death when I started crying because I couldn’t breathe. I was really scared) They x-rayed my lungs for pneumonia, shot me up with a lot of steroids, gave me oxygen and some breathing treatments. I stayed overnight on oxygen and left the next day when my oxygen levels were up and stable. They told me to get a pulse oximeter and monitor my oxygen levels. I had to go back on day 9 cuz my oxygen levels were low again and I couldn’t breathe again and they kept me for 2 days on oxygen. More steroids and breathing treatments. They said my lungs were really inflamed but I didn’t have pneumonia. I thought it just was my asthma. The Tamiflu didn’t do anything, it mocked me. My husband got sick after me but he was only sick for 5 days. Low grade fever, headaches and diarrhea were his symptoms. If that wasn’t a flu then what was it? Was it just some odd strain of flu? I’m really interested in getting an antibody test to confirm my suspicions.

Glad your'e better. Some of us posted earlier in this thread about being really sick earlier in the year. I went to urgent care and then the ER within 3 days. I believe they gave me a test for strep in urgent care and they also gave me Tamiflu which I didn't take. My boyfriend also got sick but he didn't go to the doctor immediately. By the time he went to the doctor, he ended up with an inhaler and they said he had bronchitis and an upper respiratory infection. I have heard of others being deathly sick between November to February and I'm wondering if we all had Rona early on?

Here's the thing that baffles me: we believe we got sick from a New Years Eve party where 7 other people were sick. My friend's husband appears to be patient zero since he wasn't feeling well that night. My girlfriend and her boyfriend who hosted the party, were part of the 7 but ended up getting sick again 3 weeks ago. She works in a hospital and tested positive for Covid and believes she gave it to the boyfriend. She recovered really really quickly and he had a fever for about 11 days but eventually recovered. I'm curious to know if we did all in fact have Covid, was she reinfected that quickly? Obviously, her working in a hospital increased her risk but why did she recover so quickly and her man so much longer. I'll probably never know the answers unless we all get tested for the antibodies.

 

[Ganjababy]

I was wondering about hospital acquired infections. Someone was telling me that they were putting very sick COVID-19 (at on hospital in London) positive patients with dying palliative patients which shocked me.

It’s going to be years before we will know the full devastation of this disease on societies across the world. I am looking forward to seeing retrospective studies on hospital acquired COVID-19 infections and iatrogenic COVID-19 - which I suspect could be a factor in care homes.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

I've been ordering groceries from Kroger for pickup to keep away from crowds and minimize risk as much as possible. Today would've made my second pickup. The first time they called earlier in the day telling me to come an hour later than then the scheduled pick up time. This wasn't a problem but once I got there I had to wait maybe 45 minutes. I'm not a complainer and I understand this is new territory for everyone so I didn't let it faze me.

Today my pick up was scheduled for 3pm. Shortly after noon I got a voice message informing me they had technical issues and they needed me to come tomorrow at 10am instead. About an hour later I got a text and email reminding me to pick up my order at 3pm today. I called to make sure tomorrow is the actual pick up date and ended up being disconnected after listening to a long automated message and waiting for someone to pick up. I'll be there tomorrow at 10 but I'm feeling more and more like its not a reliable option. Before Instacart never had any delivery dates available in my area but I checked just now and that's changed so next time I'll either go that route or try to pick up from a different Kroger.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

Not sure if this has been posted already but Dhvani is an athletic wear company based out of Portland that's offering free face masks. If you're a healthcare worker or other essential worker they'll prioritize your order and make sure you get the "right mask". I assume that means N95 masks instead of surgical or cloth masks.

 

[mochalocks]

It is now mandatory to wear a mask In stores in NYC. I had one on today to pick up some items, and I felt like I couldn’t breath.

I also hate the fact that we can’t actually enjoy shopping for items in the store now.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

Household cleaning products like Lysol and Clorox wipes won't be fully back in stock until July or August, supply-chain experts say
Apr 24, 2020, 3:33 PM

• Consumers are still struggling to find common household items like toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and disinfectant wipes.
• Supply-chain experts told Business Insider the supply chains suffered major disruptions but that these products should all return by July or August.
• Toilet paper is already starting to come back to store shelves, but the supply chains for cleaning products are more complex because the raw materials are sourced from China, and factories can't just expand their capacity.
• The experts urged Americans to buy responsibly when the items return to stores — purchase only what you need, and don't stockpile.

Weeks have passed since Americans first started panic buying and stockpiling key household staples, but store shelves across the country are largely still bare of items like toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and Lysol and Clorox wipes.

Now as some states ease up on stay-at-home orders, and leaders contemplate how to reopen the economy, customers are wondering why stores and online retailers are still out of stock and when they can expect more.

Supply-chain experts told Business Insider that these products would return, fully stocked, to store shelves — but it would likely take until the summertime.

Toilet paper, 90% of which is manufactured domestically, is already reappearing in many stores in small quantities, and most customers can access what they need, according to Patrick Penfield, a supply-chain-management professor at Syracuse University.

But Lysol and Clorox wipes, many Americans' favored cleaning products, pose a bigger challenge and will take until July or August to come back in stock, he said.

 

[TrulyBlessed]

So wrong.

 

[TrulyBlessed]

It is now mandatory to wear a mask In stores in NYC. I had one on today to pick up some items, and I felt like I couldn’t breath.

I also hate the fact that we can’t actually enjoy shopping for items in the store now.

I try to inhale through my nose and exhale through my mouth. That helped with my recent grocery shopping trip. My glasses fog up like crazy and I feel like I’m breathing inside of a steam room when I inhale and exhale through my nose alone.

Eta: As you exhale blow out slowly as if you are blowing to cool something off and things will feel a little cooler under the mask.