The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

Reinventing21

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@moneychaser @fifi134 @Lute

Yes!!! Thank you! That is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you Lute also for confirmation from your nurse friend as well.

I now have a close relative who exhibits all signs of covid 19 but tested negative. With the errors in testing, I think anyone exhibiting so many symptons, everyone should get re tested if symptoms persist.

In the meantime, I was recommending boosting immune system with supplements as well as deep breathing and moving around.
 

Jmartjrmd

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@moneychaser @fifi134 @Lute

Yes!!! Thank you! That is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you Lute also for confirmation from your nurse friend as well.

I now have a close relative who exhibits all signs of covid 19 but tested negative. With the errors in testing, I think anyone exhibiting so many symptons, everyone should get re tested if symptoms persist.

In the meantime, I was recommending boosting immune system with supplements as well as deep breathing and moving around.
I hope your relative recovers quickly. I agree I think anyone with the known symptoms but test negative should assume they have it. It could be the lab but more likely the quality of the testing sample itself.

I know when we test babies for MRSA ( bacteria) we test 2 different areas as it could be neg in one place but positive in the other although this is virus vs bacteria.

So I'm thinking maybe it's the same with covid. Did the swab actually get a true sample to test? Maybe not enough virus present yet to be detected? Maybe collector didn't go deep enough?
 

naturalgyrl5199

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I think the administration has/is invested in herd immunity. They’re ok with everyone getting the virus. Just not at the same time. Unfortunately herd immunity may be a pipe dream since there’s no evidence exposure protects us from re-infection. Boris Johnson was on the herd immunity bandwagon until he got sick.
There is no way to get Herd immunity from such a virus. We don’t REALLY always have complete herd immunity from seasonal flu. This is being pushed by this admin. And yes, I agree they’re okay if everyone gets this virus and not at the same time. The projections my friend shared we me suggests a huge infection (not death) rate over the next 18 months. A good vaccine can slow things down and keep the apocalypse from
Coming every season. Which is why we have an influenza vaccine. It’s part of life now, the hospital are overwhelmed temporarily, and the vaccine helps. This is a TIME thing but the world is impatient...and I get it!
 
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naturalgyrl5199

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My personal protection bag I take every time I go to the washroom at work. We do have a cleaning crew but they only come every 4-5 hours.

It's just a makeup case I packed. In it are clorox wipes and mini spray bottle of diluted bleach, 2 types of flushable wipes, hand sanitizer, hand soap, and facial tissue. Even though I don't sit on it, I spray the toilet, use it, clean myself, more spray then flush. Wash my hands but we have a pull door, so I dry my hand under the air dryer then use tissue to open the door.
My co-workers are older black women and they been keeping our bathroom stocked with Lysol, Febreeze, Industrial Disinfectant Wipes, for that same purpose. They are the best!
 

naturalgyrl5199

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For the teachers and staff no--especially the 60 plus groups.

However, according to the CDC, almost no one under 14 is dying from it. *Don't shoot the messenger.*
Our District Superintendent is like NO, despite if Gov. DeSantis opens it—-but he won’t. In Florida we do a little better with Disaster recommendations. A LITTLE better. They are already planning middle school and HS drive through and virtual graduations and a plan is in place for matriculation into the next grade. Summer camps in my state are officially cancelled as of yesterday. We have a few immune compromised kiddos and with that, the bus system, older people who drive the bus, cook, teach, administration, school volunteers and aides AND the immune compromised kids....you’d have death within 2 weeks. The parents in my local moms group say they are really struggling but have no intention of bringing their kids back to school even if it’s opened. My husband says he will take any truancy charges then sue the state and the school board—lawyers would have a field day.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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I'm almost convinced that these people 1) think they are invincible 2) would be perfectly okay with as many people getting the virus as possible THINKING they could just get it over with. 3) think they are rich enough, connected enough that if they DO get it, their survival would be guaranteed.
Apathetic people who act as such during times as these are the MOST dangerous people on earth. They have a similar psychological profile of unapologetic serial killers.
 

SpiritJunkie

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I hope your relative recovers quickly. I agree I think anyone with the known symptoms but test negative should assume they have it. It could be the lab but more likely the quality of the testing sample itself.

I know when we test babies for MRSA ( bacteria) we test 2 different areas as it could be neg in one place but positive in the other although this is virus vs bacteria.

So I'm thinking maybe it's the same with covid. Did the swab actually get a true sample to test? Maybe not enough virus present yet to be detected? Maybe collector didn't go deep enough?
My Sister got the test done ... they went deeeeeeep, she said it is so painful. I believe I read somewhere they don’t need to go so deep.
 
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Kanky

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Are people still treating every word the CDC says as the truth? Remember when they said we shouldn’t wear masks? :look:

I am not sending my kids back to school this year, and we will see how the fall looks. They stay bringing the white man’s disease home even in non pandemic times and I am not trying to catch the rona because they drank out of the water fountain or shared a pencil with unbathed Bobby.
 

Lylddlebit

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So don't trust the information on CDC? Who do we trust?


Your own common sense, due diligence and research. Information from sources is good but make sure you put it to the test with checks and balances of your own based on your needs. Everyone needs some type of checks and balances. Simply looking to media, others or government officials to spoon-feed survival/good fortune will come up short. So you take whatever life skills you have already acquired and build on that as you encounter new information. You just be the best you can... to do the best you can. Don't underestimate your skillset on the situation. I trust consistent and reliable information...in the absence of that, I trust good judgement.
 
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ThirdEyeBeauty

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Your own common sense, due diligence and research. Information from sources is good but make sure you put it to the test with checks and balances of your own based on your needs. Everyone needs some type of checks and balances. Simply looking to media, others or government officials to spoon-feed survival/good fortune will come up short. So you take whatever life skills you have already acquired and build on that as you encounter new information. You just be the best you can... to do the best you can. Don't underestimate your skillset on the situation. I trust consistent and reliable information...in the absence of that, I trust good judgement.
Quoted for emphasis.
 

shelli4018

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Just ordered face shields this morning. Gonna make a few masks today as well. Figured I’d put kits together for outside excursions. I’m always anxious about going to the grocery store or sending hubby off to work. Might as well fashion some hazmat couture since we’re gonna have to figure out how to lives our lives WITH Rona until there is a vaccine.

This looks easy enough

 

SpiritJunkie

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Your own common sense, due diligence and research. Information from sources is good but make sure you put it to the test with checks and balances of your own based on your needs. Everyone needs some type of checks and balances. Simply looking to media, others or government officials to spoon-feed survival/good fortune will come up short. So you take whatever life skills you have already acquired and build on that as you encounter new information. You just be the best you can... to do the best you can. Don't underestimate your skillset on the situation. I trust consistent and reliable information...in the absence of that, I trust good judgement.
:amen:
 

ThirdEyeBeauty

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Just ordered face shields this morning. Gonna make a few masks today as well. Figured I’d put kits together for outside excursions. I’m always anxious about going to the grocery store or sending hubby off to work. Might as well fashion some hazmat couture since we’re gonna have to figure out how to lives our lives WITH Rona until there is a vaccine.

This looks easy enough

Trust and forced don't go together.
 

lavaflow99

In search of the next vacation
No bueno :nono:

Take home points:
- once infected, one can shed the virus up to 6 weeks from initial symptoms (was a small sample size though)
- those more likely to shed longer are those older or with underlying health issues
- 14 day isolation post infection isn't enough (the 14 day isolation should only apply to those who have been exposed to see if symptoms will appear)

Viral Shedding Continues Up to 6 Weeks After Coronavirus Symptom Onset

By Marilynn Larkin

April 28, 2020


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NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Patients may continue to shed the SARS-CoV-2 virus for up to six weeks after symptoms emerge, a small study of recovered COVID-19 patients suggests.

"In the convalescence period, a trace of virus may still be detected," Dr. Sheng Zhang of Huazhong University of Science and Technology in Wuhan told Reuters Health by email. "However, similar to other virus infections, this is not indicative of the transmission ability of the infected individual."

Dr. Zhang and colleagues summarized their experience with 56 COVID-19 patients (median age 55; 61% men) admitted to Tongi Hospital in Wuhan in January and February. Throat or deep nasal cavity swab samples were collected on different dates after symptom onset. SARS-CoV-2 was diagnosed by real-time reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) assays All patients had mild-moderate infection.

As reported in Clinical Infectious Diseases, 299 RT-PCR assays were performed (about five tests per patient). The longest duration between symptom onset and an RT-PCR test was 42 days, whereas the median duration was 24 days.


In the first three weeks after symptom onset, the majority of RT-PCR results were positive for SARS-CoV-2. From week three onward, negative results increased. All tests were negative at week six after symptom onset.

The rate of positive results was highest at week one (100%), followed by 89.3%, 66.1%, 32.1%, 5.4% and 0% at weeks two, three, four, five and six, respectively.

Patients were further divided into non-prolonged and prolonged shedding groups based on nucleic acid conversion time (up to or more than 24 days). Patients with longer viral shedding tended to be older and were more likely to have comorbidities such as diabetes and hypertension.

No patients were transferred to an intensive care unit; all recovered and were discharged from the hospital.

Dr. Zhang said, "I would suggest three consecutive negative RT-PCR results to safely discharge, due to high false-negative rate" of nasal or throat swabs.

From a public health perspective, he added, "I need to emphasize that the public should not be scared by those seemingly 'prolonged' positive cases. It is way harder to prove 'no transmission ability' than 'potentially transmissible.'"

Dr. Jack Lipton, Chair of the Department of Translational Neuroscience at Michigan State University College of Human Medicine in Ann Arbor commented in an email to Reuters Health, "The study demonstrates that repeated testing is absolutely necessary. In our clinical trial of university personnel at MSU, we have a young healthy subject with mild symptoms who has tested positive five times over four weeks. People need to realize that a 14-day isolation is appropriate for seeing whether one will develop symptoms after a known exposure to an infected person. Fourteen days is not a sufficient amount of time to be infected, recover and then be virus free."

Dr. Robert Quigley, Senior Vice President and Regional Medical Director of International SOS, noted in an email to Reuters Health, "The question that remains is how great does the viral load need to be to infect another person if in fact the viral load actually decreases over time. Regardless, until this virologic feature is defined, it is clear that infected healthcare professionals (HCPs) should have two consecutive negative tests before returning to the healthcare arena where they could potentially infect a fragile patient."


"It is unclear when non-HCPs can return to the workplace after testing positive for COVID-19," he added. "This study implies that the absence of symptoms may not eliminate the risk of transmission to co-workers for up to 42 days post the onset of symptoms. Such conclusions could clearly impact our present practices of quarantine and isolation."


Dr. Taylor Heald-Sargent, an infectious diseases fellow at the Ann and Robert H. Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago who studied coronaviruses for her PhD, commented by email that the study "confirms other reports that older patients with other medical issues are more at risk for severe disease. This could mean that this patient population has immune systems that are unable to efficiently clear infection. However, more research is needed to explore that hypothesis."


"One limitation is that (the study) focused on one geographic location," she told Reuters Health. "However, it seems likely that these results would be similar to other countries, including the United States."

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticl...429_MSCPEDIT&uac=117087MK&impID=2363843&faf=1
 

lavaflow99

In search of the next vacation
:nono: Never

Are they even changing the PPE for each patient? Ridiculous! :mad: This is upsetting because most people will not know any better. People not having it might end up having it after testing.

Especially since obtaining the sample can elicit a cough....an aerosol generating procedure. :nono:

Exhibit x, y, and z why folks should stay home.....you want no parts of that!!

It's the Wild Wild West out there :nono:
 

ThirdEyeBeauty

Well-Known Member
No bueno :nono:

Take home points:
- once infected, one can shed the virus up to 6 weeks from initial symptoms (was a small sample size though)
- those more likely to shed longer are those older or with underlying health issues
- 14 day isolation post infection isn't enough (the 14 day isolation should only apply to those who have been exposed to see if symptoms will appear)

Viral Shedding Continues Up to 6 Weeks After Coronavirus Symptom Onset

By Marilynn Larkin

April 28, 2020


  • ADD TO EMAIL ALERTS


NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Patients may continue to shed the SARS-CoV-2 virus for up to six weeks after symptoms emerge, a small study of recovered COVID-19 patients suggests.

"In the convalescence period, a trace of virus may still be detected," Dr. Sheng Zhang of Huazhong University of Science and Technology in Wuhan told Reuters Health by email. "However, similar to other virus infections, this is not indicative of the transmission ability of the infected individual."

Dr. Zhang and colleagues summarized their experience with 56 COVID-19 patients (median age 55; 61% men) admitted to Tongi Hospital in Wuhan in January and February. Throat or deep nasal cavity swab samples were collected on different dates after symptom onset. SARS-CoV-2 was diagnosed by real-time reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) assays All patients had mild-moderate infection.

As reported in Clinical Infectious Diseases, 299 RT-PCR assays were performed (about five tests per patient). The longest duration between symptom onset and an RT-PCR test was 42 days, whereas the median duration was 24 days.


In the first three weeks after symptom onset, the majority of RT-PCR results were positive for SARS-CoV-2. From week three onward, negative results increased. All tests were negative at week six after symptom onset.

The rate of positive results was highest at week one (100%), followed by 89.3%, 66.1%, 32.1%, 5.4% and 0% at weeks two, three, four, five and six, respectively.

Patients were further divided into non-prolonged and prolonged shedding groups based on nucleic acid conversion time (up to or more than 24 days). Patients with longer viral shedding tended to be older and were more likely to have comorbidities such as diabetes and hypertension.

No patients were transferred to an intensive care unit; all recovered and were discharged from the hospital.

Dr. Zhang said, "I would suggest three consecutive negative RT-PCR results to safely discharge, due to high false-negative rate" of nasal or throat swabs.

From a public health perspective, he added, "I need to emphasize that the public should not be scared by those seemingly 'prolonged' positive cases. It is way harder to prove 'no transmission ability' than 'potentially transmissible.'"

Dr. Jack Lipton, Chair of the Department of Translational Neuroscience at Michigan State University College of Human Medicine in Ann Arbor commented in an email to Reuters Health, "The study demonstrates that repeated testing is absolutely necessary. In our clinical trial of university personnel at MSU, we have a young healthy subject with mild symptoms who has tested positive five times over four weeks. People need to realize that a 14-day isolation is appropriate for seeing whether one will develop symptoms after a known exposure to an infected person. Fourteen days is not a sufficient amount of time to be infected, recover and then be virus free."

Dr. Robert Quigley, Senior Vice President and Regional Medical Director of International SOS, noted in an email to Reuters Health, "The question that remains is how great does the viral load need to be to infect another person if in fact the viral load actually decreases over time. Regardless, until this virologic feature is defined, it is clear that infected healthcare professionals (HCPs) should have two consecutive negative tests before returning to the healthcare arena where they could potentially infect a fragile patient."


"It is unclear when non-HCPs can return to the workplace after testing positive for COVID-19," he added. "This study implies that the absence of symptoms may not eliminate the risk of transmission to co-workers for up to 42 days post the onset of symptoms. Such conclusions could clearly impact our present practices of quarantine and isolation."


Dr. Taylor Heald-Sargent, an infectious diseases fellow at the Ann and Robert H. Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago who studied coronaviruses for her PhD, commented by email that the study "confirms other reports that older patients with other medical issues are more at risk for severe disease. This could mean that this patient population has immune systems that are unable to efficiently clear infection. However, more research is needed to explore that hypothesis."


"One limitation is that (the study) focused on one geographic location," she told Reuters Health. "However, it seems likely that these results would be similar to other countries, including the United States."

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticl...429_MSCPEDIT&uac=117087MK&impID=2363843&faf=1
Should we trust and follow this Chinese study?
 
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