The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

ThirdEyeBeauty

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Yes it is learned behavior and it will not happen in time for the 20/21 school year. We also need to get parents involved and they need to face some sort of consequences as well.
Currently the US educational system is seen as a babysitting service and that has got to change.
Is this about wearing mask and having a divider on desk? I don't know but children, especially prior to teenage years, are resilient and will most likely be able to adapt without much problems with the ideal of wearing masks, etc. Now the teachers may struggle and the children will feed off of that.
 

MzRhonda

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Close in what aspects? Because Canada shares a whole border with the United States, and I am literally an hour drive away....

All that to say our governments have been talking/sharing and discussing all throughout this crisis
Not in proximity but in how they are run, available resources, teacher/student ratio, behaviors, parental support, discipline, teacher pay and respect, respect for education period etc
 

MzRhonda

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Is this about wearing mask and having a divider on desk? I don't know but children, especially prior to teenage years, are resilient and will most likely be able to adapt without much problems with the ideal of wearing masks, etc. Now the teachers may struggle and the children will feed off of that.
Behaviors in general
Heck we have fights before kids can get off the bus good
If we had a well disciplined student body it could be pulled off but we don’t and those are just the reality of what happens in our buildings on a daily basis
 

Crackers Phinn

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I was on a Zoom meeting regarding re-opening a business outside California and I am convinced that the average American gets their news on Covid from reddit, twitter and Instagram. Several people, from their own self diagnosis believe they had the virus back in January and feel like they shouldn't have to wear masks because they are now immune. Also, more than one person said out loud that as long as people had masks they didn't have to do "the six foot thing".

I sat on that call ready to pull myself into the fetal position and repeat "Everybody is going to die". If I had pants on, I might have.
 

Kanky

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Longterm issues from Covid-19

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/...italy-recovery.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes


“We have seen many cases in which people take a long, long time to recover,” said Alessandro Venturi, the director of the San Matteo hospital in the Lombardy town of Pavia, adding that the discomfort often seems to last even longer for people with lighter symptoms. “It’s not the sickness that lasts for 60 days, it is the convalescence,” he said. “It’s a very long convalescence.”

Most people who catch the virus have few symptoms or none, but some get very sick, most often with pneumonia. Any pneumonia damages the lungs, which can take months to heal, and doctors warn that the harm might not be completely reversible.

Studies also point to kidney, heart, liver and neurological damage, often from secondary infections, and no one knows what the long-term prospects are for those patients.

But even some of the infected who have avoided pneumonia describe a maddeningly persistent and unpredictable illness, with unexpected symptoms. Bones feel broken. The senses dull. Stomachs are constantly upset. There are good days and then bad days without apparent rhyme nor reason.

The afflicted find the simplest tasks taxing. Testing is still mostly reserved for the hospitalized, and so people suffering less severe but stubborn symptoms are trailed by doubt about whether they have the virus.

Dr. Annalisa Malara, an intensive care physician in Codogno, southeast of Milan, who diagnosed Italy’s first case of the outbreak in February, said there was still no clear understanding of why the virus and its effects lingered so long.

“Lack of energy and the sensation of broken bones” are common, she said, adding that fatigue often lingered “even after the more intense symptoms are gone.”

In the north of Italy, the epicenter of the contagion in that country, a partial lifting of the lockdown this month has allowed more family and friends to compare notes on their experiences.

“It never finishes,” said Martina Sorlini, a 29-year-old math and physics high school teacher who has been running a low-grade fever since the beginning of March. She said that the cough and sore throat eventually went away, and that after three weeks she got her sense of taste and smell back, and even found enough energy to run and tend vegetables in her garden.

Then came stomach aches, fatigue and the return of fever. And it hasn’t left, making it extremely tiring to teach her online high school classes.


Undergoing serological tests in Cisliano, outside Milan, last month. Alessandro Grassani for The New York Times
“I was convinced that I was better. They don’t know what happened,” Ms. Sorlini said. “They are seeing everything for the first time too.”

Some say the experience of the long-suffering, if not critically ill, deserves more attention.

Edmondo Cirielli, a member of Parliament with the right-wing Brotherhood of Italy party, has argued that the health ministry should pay more attention to cases like his.

On the weekend of March 7, Mr. Cirielli ran a fever and suffered cold-like symptoms, and became convinced he had picked up the virus by touching an infected surface in the Parliament chamber. He tested positive that week.

Almost immediately, he said, his fever and cough faded, and he thought he would be fine. Then he had what he called a “small respiratory crisis” that put him in the hospital.

But he had no pneumonia, so he went home to self-quarantine. There, he suffered debilitating fatigue, sore throat, diarrhea and intense pain at the base of his neck that made it impossible to concentrate.

“One day I was fine, the next bad. There was no building to a peak and then coming back down. It was up and down for a month,” he said.

Then things got stranger.

After 40 days of feeling lousy, he tested negative for the virus, but his eyes still burned and bouts of diarrhea continued, he said.

At the end of the month, he finally felt better, but another test result came back positive, forcing him to spend weeks more in isolation, where he kept busy watching “Versailles” on Netflix.

Testing has been imperfect, and not everyone has access to it.

Ingrid Magni, 44, got fever and chills on March 21.

“It never left me,” she said, adding that she started suffering intense headaches after about three weeks. Doctors could only recommend over-the-counter painkillers and bed rest. She got winded just making her bed.

“I had to sit down,” she said. “I was too tired.”


In Milan last month.Alessandro Grassani for The New York Times
Without the eligibility to receive a swab test, which is usually reserved for hospital patients, she told her boss at a chemical plant that she would get an antibody test, which could be used to trigger an official swab test for the virus itself if antibodies are detected.

But the results have not come back. She is eager to get back to work by the middle of the month and is not sure how many more sick days the doctor will sign off on.

Others just want to feel better.

Albertina Bonetti, 77, from Trescore Balneario, near Bergamo, developed nausea and fever on March 7, followed by dry heaves and diarrhea. After 10 days of fever, her legs began hurting so much that she could not put her feet on the ground.

She needed an oxygen tank from March 20 to the end of April, but when she went to a hospital, the staff refused to admit her — so she, too, remained untested.

Ms. Bonetti said that she still had shortness of breath and fatigue and that her senses remained out of whack. She misses normal life and the taste of her latte in the morning.

“It leaves something inside you,” she said of the virus. “And you never go back the way you were before.”

Emma Bubola contributed reporting from Milan.
 

werenumber2

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Not in proximity but in how they are run, available resources, teacher/student ratio, behaviors, parental support, discipline, teacher pay and respect, respect for education period etc

I wasn’t trying to make a comparison between Denmark’s numbers and USA/Canada’s. The point I found interesting was Denmark’s infection rates before they sent kids back to daycare/preschool and then three weeks after.

My comment was less about the societal/educational standards of those countries and more about the fact that they had babies and toddlers - who cannot wear masks and also can’t realistically abide by social distancing guidelines - resume interaction with peers and faculty without the country’s infection rates increasing.
 

madamdot

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I agree, I am glad she shared. She was extensive and did things I wouldn't have ever dreamed of doing (think adding clorox to bath) but am glad to know about.

Black Ambrosia, I would love to know more about your molecular enhancer/PEMF device. You should start a thread on it.

I don’t think I would put bleach in my bath water it could cause a host of issues especially for women, but people have been using antiseptics etc (Dettol) in bath water for years.
 
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Layluh

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New guidance from the US military will bar individuals who have been hospitalized by COVID-19 from enlisting, a defense official told Insider, clarifying the situation after a memo with interim guidance suggesting that anyone who at any point had the virus would be disqualified from military service surfaced online.

The initial guidance, a military recruitment memo from US Military Entrance Processing Command (MEPCOM) circulating on social media and first reported on by Military Times on Wednesday, said that a COVID-19 diagnosis, even after recovery, would be considered disqualifying.

The memo stated that all 65 Military Entrance Processing Stations (MEPS) across the country will medically evaluate all potential recruits, who will be required to have their temperature taken and complete a screening survey.

The document says that "a reported history of confirmed COVID-19 will be annotated as 'Considered Disqualifying'" and documented on their medical report. It adds that during the medical history interview or examination part of their application, "a history of COVID-19 confirmed by either a laboratory test or clinician diagnosis, is permanently disqualifying."
 

Evolving78

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My daughter's Kindergarten teacher did a good job as well. It was A LOT of stuff at the last minute. She and the rest of the kindergarten teachers did well. I suspect they moved in unison ANYWAYS....so their transition to remote was pretty seamless TBH. My heart is BROKEN.
I mean BROKEN because this was DD's first year in real school. Plus my daughter's teacher just had a baby in December. Her first day back was the last day before spring break and then they were to have her the rest of the year. I was so heartbroken for her. I hear a LOT of frustrated parents complaining about teachers....but for me...I give all the teachers GRACE. Literally every teacher on this entire planet was thrown into this. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.....on this ENTIRE PLANET. I try to get the other parents to let that sink in.

Black children will be affected and many were DOOMED from the start. In some areas....4-7 kids are sharing a cell phone to do work. I dont know why when even the low performing school with over 80% black kids, or Title 1 schools had lines around the corner for free laptops.
Not to mention the handful of complaints from Pawn Shops that people were trying to pawn these laptops....but I didnt hear much about these "attempts" were from stolen items. It was made to seem like the parents/families themselves were trying to pawn it....likely for food and bills of course. And this is how SYSTEMATIC poverty works. 2 wrongs don't make a right but....its a whole societal fail. Hence my post up thread....you really are gonna be in there or left behind. My next rant in the mom's group is for them to include Laptops on their school supply list. My Uni did this for freshmen entering in 2010. Like it was included as part of their financial aid package---must buy laptop. You think kids did?
My children’s school district has been doing e-learning for years, so the transition wasn’t difficult. And laptop loaners were distributed. The kids have zoom meeting with their teachers. Essentials tasks in the 504 plans and IEPs are being met. My children still receive their services. There is online work and work that needs to be completed on paper, then uploaded.
I believe the struggle was the emotional impact transitioning to online learning has been challenging.
 

Evolving78

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It has been so difficult not being able to see and hug my babies! Seventh graders are surly, full of attitude, crazy, hormonal, sweet, and wonderful. I can only imagine how your daughter's Kindergarten teacher feels not seeing his/her little ones. I hate that your daughter's first school year was so rudely interrupted with this virus. I honestly weep for my Black students from low socioeconomic backgrounds with little to no support systems at home. Some will never recover from this. Summer slide is real, so I cannot imagine the slide that some students will experience after 6 months without school.
My children’s school district is enforcing online summer school for the children that don’t pass by the end of the school year. And summer school will be held for children with learning disabilities as well. Is your school going to offer summer learning?
 

MzRhonda

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My children’s school district has been doing e-learning for years, so the transition wasn’t difficult. And laptop loaners were distributed. The kids have zoom meeting with their teachers. Essentials tasks in the 504 plans and IEPs are being met. My children still receive their services. There is online work and work that needs to be completed on paper, then uploaded.
I believe the struggle was the emotional impact transitioning to online learning has been challenging.
True and just as I saw in my classroom there are students who will not work no matter what and those same students who did nothing in class are not doing anything at home.
My students who rarely made it to first block because it was too early still aren’t working what is their excuse now?
We even had a laptop distribution for those who did not have one.
 

nyeredzi

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I wasn’t trying to make a comparison between Denmark’s numbers and USA/Canada’s. The point I found interesting was Denmark’s infection rates before they sent kids back to daycare/preschool and then three weeks after.

My comment was less about the societal/educational standards of those countries and more about the fact that they had babies and toddlers - who cannot wear masks and also can’t realistically abide by social distancing guidelines - resume interaction with peers and faculty without the country’s infection rates increasing.

Scandinavia has been quite interesting through this. It's also interesting that they managed to send kids back to schools without the numbers shooting up. Let me go see how long ago they sent the kids back. I agree that all this talk about masks, and for that matter distance learning, are things you can legitimately talk about for older students. I have a 1st grader, and both the idea of her wearing a mask all day and the reality of her "distance learning" with parents who work full time, are ridiculous.

I'm really interested in Sweden, who never really locked down. Their death rate per capita is higher than ours, but somehow their medical system is able to accommodate it. And that's really what it's about, isn't it? That's a real question, as I'm confused. Because the talk is always about flattening the curve, not reducing the area under the curve. Meaning, we spread the deaths out over time, but ultimately don't much reduce the number of deaths overall. Except in the sense that you avoid deaths that are caused by the medical system simply not being able to accommodate everyone at that time. So that as long as your medical system can accommodate the number of hospitalizations, you don't lock down, because the assumption is that locking down buys you no further benefit; the same number of people die either way.

I'll be really interested in seeing the analyses of Sweden vs. Denmark's and Finland's responses (and the world's) responses. I mean, when we look back at it, to see if the number of overall deaths from covid was likely decreased by social distancing, or just spread out over time.
 

nyeredzi

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Also interestingly, Georgia partially opened about 3 weeks ago and we don't see a big increase with them. Maybe it will take some time to see it, I don't know. I heard a report that cases were up there, but when I went to the NYTimes tracker, where I track cases everyday, I didn't see that. Particularly with deaths. Numbers of cases will go up the more testing you do. But deaths are a bit more reliable, and those look roughly the same

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Also, I find it interesting the reporting of deaths. You can see the weeks in the spikes. Saturday and Sunday reportings are low, probably because people aren't processing the death certificates on the weekend. Then there's a big spike on Mondays when they process them.
 

Ganjababy

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interesting...
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The US military is barring anyone who was hospitalized due to COVID-19 from enlisting

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  • A military recruitment memo sent out by the US Military Entrance Processing Command (MEPCOM) stated that individuals who have tested positive for COVID-19 will not be allowed to join the military — even after they recover.
  • According to the memo, which was widely circulating on social media and was first reported on by Military Times on Wednesday, new recruits with a confirmed diagnosis will be "permanently disqualified" from enlisting.
  • A defense official told Insider that the memo was "interim" guidance that was updated Wednesday. The updated guidance says that only those who were hospitalized following a COVID-19 diagnosis will be barred from enlisting.
  • Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

New guidance from the US military will bar individuals who have been hospitalized by COVID-19 from enlisting, a defense official told Insider, clarifying the situation after a memo with interim guidance suggesting that anyone who at any point had the virus would be disqualified from military service surfaced online.

The initial guidance, a military recruitment memo from US Military Entrance Processing Command (MEPCOM) circulating on social media and first reported on by Military Times on Wednesday, said that a COVID-19 diagnosis, even after recovery, would be considered disqualifying.

The memo stated that all 65 Military Entrance Processing Stations (MEPS) across the country will medically evaluate all potential recruits, who will be required to have their temperature taken and complete a screening survey.

The document says that "a reported history of confirmed COVID-19 will be annotated as 'Considered Disqualifying'" and documented on their medical report. It adds that during the medical history interview or examination part of their application, "a history of COVID-19 confirmed by either a laboratory test or clinician diagnosis, is permanently disqualifying."
 

Alta Angel

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Yep, we are having digital summer school options for all students. I believe that my District jumped the gun in giving the details of how they would grade the 4th quarter. Two to three weeks into digital learning, they announced that parents could elect to keep the 3rd qtr grade for 4th qtr OR take the grade earned in the 4th qtr with no student getting less than a 70%. At least 35-40% of my students stopped participating after that. Parents opted out almost immediately. When I broke it down demographically, the boys, regardless of race, are the primary "drop outs"of my Advanced and on-level math classes. Most of the girls, regardless of race, are thriving in this process. I would love to use this for research.


My children’s school district is enforcing online summer school for the children that don’t pass by the end of the school year. And summer school will be held for children with learning disabilities as well. Is your school going to offer summer learning?
 

oneastrocurlie

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Also interestingly, Georgia partially opened about 3 weeks ago and we don't see a big increase with them. Maybe it will take some time to see it, I don't know. I heard a report that cases were up there, but when I went to the NYTimes tracker, where I track cases everyday, I didn't see that. Particularly with deaths. Numbers of cases will go up the more testing you do. But deaths are a bit more reliable, and those look roughly the same

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Also, I find it interesting the reporting of deaths. You can see the weeks in the spikes. Saturday and Sunday reportings are low, probably because people aren't processing the death certificates on the weekend. Then there's a big spike on Mondays when they process them.

I think it's too early to tell. People can be declining for weeks and weeks before they ultimately die. People might just now be displaying symptoms if they even have symptoms and aren't just passing it around unknowingly. Then those people will take longer to get sick or pass away.

I've read of you take out NYC's numbers, the US numbers aren't decreasing overall.

https://www.nytimes.com./interactive/2020/05/06/opinion/coronavirus-deaths-statistics.html

At this rate there won't be a second wave. We'll never get out the first one.
 

ThirdEyeBeauty

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I'll go as far to say even if you don't get them checked start taking Vitamin D with K2 NOW. C19 isn't going to wait for you to get your test results.
Absolutely. Yes add K2 if you can but I know it might be tricky to find it. Also don't quote me but my opinion is the vitamin d level needs to be up to minimum 30 ng/ml (I believe one should hit for 50 or so) before you get the c19. If you test positive, add NAC immediately. In fact just have some at home anytime you get a respiratory or any type of illness.
 

ThirdEyeBeauty

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I think it's too early to tell. People can be declining for weeks and weeks before they ultimately die. People might just now be displaying symptoms if they even have symptoms and aren't just passing it around unknowingly. Then those people will take longer to get sick or pass away.

I've read of you take out NYC's numbers, the US numbers aren't decreasing overall.

https://www.nytimes.com./interactive/2020/05/06/opinion/coronavirus-deaths-statistics.html

At this rate there won't be a second wave. We'll never get out the first one.
Rt.live
 

ThirdEyeBeauty

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^^^Oh wow. I did not know that. I don't usually see them in stores or pharmacies. I have the liquid D3/K2 but I ordered it on Amazon. I have been taking D3 and K2 together for about a year or two now but sometimes I just grab the regular D3 and take more than instructed of that one. I take the liquid formula as instructed.

Glad NAC is getting more noticed. In my opinion, ever patient in the hospital with C19 should take it on admission. There are more and more physicians getting on board with nutrition and supplements.
 

werenumber2

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Scandinavia has been quite interesting through this. It's also interesting that they managed to send kids back to schools without the numbers shooting up. Let me go see how long ago they sent the kids back. I agree that all this talk about masks, and for that matter distance learning, are things you can legitimately talk about for older students. I have a 1st grader, and both the idea of her wearing a mask all day and the reality of her "distance learning" with parents who work full time, are ridiculous.

I'm really interested in Sweden, who never really locked down. Their death rate per capita is higher than ours, but somehow their medical system is able to accommodate it. And that's really what it's about, isn't it? That's a real question, as I'm confused. Because the talk is always about flattening the curve, not reducing the area under the curve. Meaning, we spread the deaths out over time, but ultimately don't much reduce the number of deaths overall. Except in the sense that you avoid deaths that are caused by the medical system simply not being able to accommodate everyone at that time. So that as long as your medical system can accommodate the number of hospitalizations, you don't lock down, because the assumption is that locking down buys you no further benefit; the same number of people die either way.

I'll be really interested in seeing the analyses of Sweden vs. Denmark's and Finland's responses (and the world's) responses. I mean, when we look back at it, to see if the number of overall deaths from covid was likely decreased by social distancing, or just spread out over time.

I also read that Sweden’s death per capita is higher than USA’s! The whole thing is fascinating. I wish we had some Swedish members who could weigh in on what’s going on over there. I think FlowerHair is from there but I haven’t seen her post in quite a while.
 

nyeredzi

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I think it's too early to tell. People can be declining for weeks and weeks before they ultimately die. People might just now be displaying symptoms if they even have symptoms and aren't just passing it around unknowingly. Then those people will take longer to get sick or pass away.

I've read of you take out NYC's numbers, the US numbers aren't decreasing overall.

https://www.nytimes.com./interactive/2020/05/06/opinion/coronavirus-deaths-statistics.html

At this rate there won't be a second wave. We'll never get out the first one.
That is interesting. Though I feel it's a bit of a cheat to say cases aren't going down if you remove big cities. Big cities are part of America. They certainly wouldn't remove big cities from analyses of the national cases going up, why remove them from the analyses of the national cases going down? Hotspots are shifting, yes, but how does that negate national numbers going down?
 

oneastrocurlie

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That is interesting. Though I feel it's a bit of a cheat to say cases aren't going down if you remove big cities. Big cities are part of America. They certainly wouldn't remove big cities from analyses of the national cases going up, why remove them from the analyses of the national cases going down? Hotspots are shifting, yes, but how does that negate national numbers going down?

I think it's important to point out. Because if majority of us have numbers that aren't decreasing and people start traveling thinking "oh the numbers are down" then up the curve we all go.
 

dicapr

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Also interestingly, Georgia partially opened about 3 weeks ago and we don't see a big increase with them. Maybe it will take some time to see it, I don't know. I heard a report that cases were up there, but when I went to the NYTimes tracker, where I track cases everyday, I didn't see that. Particularly with deaths. Numbers of cases will go up the more testing you do. But deaths are a bit more reliable, and those look roughly the same

View attachment 459207

Also, I find it interesting the reporting of deaths. You can see the weeks in the spikes. Saturday and Sunday reportings are low, probably because people aren't processing the death certificates on the weekend. Then there's a big spike on Mondays when they process them.

you won’t see much right now. There is a 2 week incubation to consider. The first 2 weeks reflect how well people did under the stay home order. Only 1 week of data will reflect the infection rate of re-opening.
 

awhyley

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I also read that Sweden’s death per capita is higher than USA’s! The whole thing is fascinating. I wish we had some Swedish members who could weigh in on what’s going on over there. I think FlowerHair is from there but I haven’t seen her post in quite a while.

Based on the numbers below, it's true, but I'm not sure whether pre capita numbers are fair, since Sweden has 10mil poeple, compared to the US's 330 million. There are approx. 3,300 dead in Sweden compared to 80,000 in the United States (link below).

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Link: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

(eta: I am wondering what's happening over there though, (and how Flowerhair is doing). I don't see her on the member listing anymore when I tried to tag. :( Has anyone been in touch with her?)
 
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