The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

Kanky

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The CDC and states are lying about coronavirus tests. This is why it was a big deal when Trump insisted that every CDC release be approved by Pence’s office. They can manipulate data in a way that makes the pandemic response look better than it actually is.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/

We’ve learned that the CDC is making, at best, a debilitating mistake: combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus.

This is not merely a technical error. States have set quantitative guidelines for reopening their economies based on these flawed data points.
 
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Kanky

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I would go.
If I can stand six feet behind a stranger inside a store with multiple strangers, no sunlight and recirculated air then I can enjoy the company of friends six feet away in the fresh air and sunshine. A Target run is far less safe than outdoor socializing.

The amount of time that you are exposed matters too. A Target run lasts for a few minutes with you hopefully moving quickly to get what you need and leave.


Growing evidence suggests that Covid-19 infection, like with other illnesses, is related to prolonged time exposed to the virus. The longer you stay in an environment that may contain the virus, the higher the risk of getting sick.”


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/us/coronavirus-time-risk/index.html

Spending a few hours with someone who is infected, even outdoors is probably riskier than spending a few minutes with someone who is infected in Target. Especially if you are both wearing masks and social distancing.
 

moneychaser

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Guys I have a dilemma. This weekend is DH's bday and his BFF and his wife have invited us over to pop bottles on their deck. He is hesitant. Are yall having socialy distant events? These are our usual party friends and we would be sitting 6 feet or more apart on the deck. I honestly dont know how to get back into....life? Would yall go?
Oh and the wife of this duo had the 'Rona in mid March. Yall going or nah?

My bff visits every 2 wks or so with her own bottle, cup, and lawn chair lol We post up in my front yard sitting about 10ft apart and keke for hours.
 

shortycocoa

Hair Weave Killer
Guys I have a dilemma. This weekend is DH's bday and his BFF and his wife have invited us over to pop bottles on their deck. He is hesitant. Are yall having socialy distant events? These are our usual party friends and we would be sitting 6 feet or more apart on the deck. I honestly dont know how to get back into....life? Would yall go?
Oh and the wife of this duo had the 'Rona in mid March. Yall going or nah?

Nah...sit that one out. Do something small and intimate at home with DH and maybe join them via Zoom or video call later for the drinks on the deck.
 

Peppermynt

Defying Gravity
My next door neighbor is a car guy. He stay in his drive way cleaning his or his wife's car! Like all the time. DH paid him to detail my car for Mothers Day! This man cleaned my car inside and out and asked for $30...I told DH to give him $50 and it was worth 3x that! All I had to do was disinfect Lol!

I'm interested ... how are you disinfecting the interior of the car? I need to have some work done on my car (new battery, state inspection, tire rotation type stuff) and am worried about mechanics being in there breathing all over everything. And then I'd have to get in the car and hold my breath as I drive home. :look::drunk:

I'm really torn and not sure how to manage this ... Thoughts anyone?
 

meka72

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Four concepts to assess your personal risk as the U.S. reopens
Leana S. Wen

People visit Florida's Clearwater Beach on Wednesday. (Mike Ehrmann/Getty Images)
By the end of this week, all 50 states will be reopening to some degree. I’ve argued that since none of them has met the metrics to safely reopen but are starting to do so anyway, the United States needs to move to the public health strategy of harm reduction. So what does that mean in terms of choices each of us makes — what’s safe to do and what’s not?

Here are four concepts from other harm-reduction strategies that can help to guide our decisions:

Relative risk. Driving is an activity that carries risk, which can be reduced by following the speed limit and wearing a seat belt. For covid-19, we can think of risk through three key variables: proximity, activity and time. The highest-risk scenario is if you are in close proximity with someone who is infected, in an indoor space, for an extended period of time. That’s why when one person in the household becomes ill, others are likely to get infected, too. Also, certain activities, such as singing, expel more droplets; in one case, a single infected person in choir practice spread covid-19 to 52 people, two of whom died. The same goes for gatherings where people hug one another — funerals and birthdays can be such “superspreader” events. Conversely, there are no documented cases of someone acquiring covid-19 by passing a stranger while walking outdoors.

You can decrease your risk by modifying one of these three variables. If you want to see friends, avoid crowded bars, and instead host in your backyard or a park, where everyone can keep their distance. Use your own utensils and, to be even safer, bring your own food and drinks. Skip the hugs, kisses and handshakes. If you go to the beach, find areas where you can stay at least six feet away from others who are not in your household. Takeout food is the safest. If you really want a meal out, eating outdoors with tables farther apart will be safer than dining in a crowded indoor restaurant.

Businesses should also heed this principle as they are reopening, by keeping up telecommuting and staggered shifts, reducing capacity in conference rooms, and closing communal dining areas. Museums can limit not only the number of people allowed in at once, but also the amount of time people are allowed to spend in each exhibit.

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Pooled risk. If you engage in high-risk activity and are around others who do the same, you increase everyone’s risk. Think of the analogy with safe-sex practices: Those with multiple partners have higher risk than people in monogamous relationships. As applied to covid-19, this means those who have very low exposure are probably safe to associate with one another.

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This principle is particularly relevant for separated families that want to see one another. I receive many questions from grandparents who miss their grandchildren and want to know when they can see them again. If two families have both been sheltering at home with virtually no outside interaction, there should be no concern with them being with one another. Families can come together for day care arrangements this way if all continue to abide by strict social distancing guidelines in other aspects of their lives. (The equation changes when any one individual resumes higher-risk activities — returning to work outside the home, for example.)

Cumulative risk. Your risk of acquiring covid-19 is additive for every person you come into close contact with. Many people must return to work, but they can still reduce their risk overall by not having social gatherings outside of work. Choose the activities most important to you. If you must have your hair cut, don’t also go out to eat in restaurants.

How much you do should also depend on your personal health. By now, we know that those most vulnerable to the severe effects of covid-19 are older people with chronic medical conditions. These individuals should aim for lower cumulative risk to best protect themselves, as we keep up the reminder that there is no demographic immune from covid-19. Even otherwise-healthy children and young adults have died from it.

Collective risk. Individual actions are crucial, but they do not replace the need for sound public policy. The higher the rate of covid-19 in a community, the more likely any one individual you come into contact with has the virus and the riskier your interactions become. This is why mask-wearing is important: If most people wear a mask, it reduces the amount of virus that we will transmit. Local and state policymakers should continue to ban large gatherings and follow the CDC guidelines for gradual reopening. They must have surveillance systems in place to detect if and when infections rise and be willing to reimpose restrictions.

With Memorial Day coming and many locales lifting their shelter-in-place orders, people will be faced with new decisions. We need to use common sense and our own risk calibration, as we keep in mind that just because we can resume activities doesn’t mean we should.
 

discodumpling

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I'm interested ... how are you disinfecting the interior of the car? I need to have some work done on my car (new battery, state inspection, tire rotation type stuff) and am worried about mechanics being in there breathing all over everything. And then I'd have to get in the car and hold my breath as I drive home. :look::drunk:

I'm really torn and not sure how to manage this ... Thoughts anyone?
Microban in the seats and disinfectant wipes on the hard surfaces.
 

Jmartjrmd

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Guys I have a dilemma. This weekend is DH's bday and his BFF and his wife have invited us over to pop bottles on their deck. He is hesitant. Are yall having socialy distant events? These are our usual party friends and we would be sitting 6 feet or more apart on the deck. I honestly dont know how to get back into....life? Would yall go?
Oh and the wife of this duo had the 'Rona in mid March. Yall going or nah?
I wouldn't just because you said your husband was hesitant about it.
But your thought about getting back to life is an interesting dilemma.
Our country is not going to be shut down like the likes of other countries. All the violence over mask no mask, all the protests, people calling people sheep for trying to be compliant, people flocking to the first place that opens guidelines be damned, more experts divided means we will all be exposed for a long time short of never going anywhere. I'm not going to plan an elaborate vacation or have a huge house party with a bunch of people but this tiger has to get out the cage. Risk vs reward for me. Might be stupid or shortsighted on my part because I'm so at risk but I just cannot be little to no contact much longer. Its affecting me badly. With living alone and just sitting here day in and day out I just cant anymore.
Just shows me it's a no win situation. Living like a hermit is for the birds and I was kinda doing it even before this virus. I'm going absolutely insane and I needs..yes needs with an s... to get out this cage for my own wellbeing.
I opened my pool last weekend and had a little family gathering. It was amazing for my mental health to be around people.
I liken the way we have opened up to being prescribed a 7 day course of antibiotics. They tell you even if you feel better take the whole course. Some get to day 4, feel better then stop. I think we stopped short of getting to day 7 but the cats out the bag now.
I will still take every precaution I can, I have my stash of cleaning supplies and PPE, I still screen my family and the 1 friend I see regularly for symptoms plus he's been thoroughly tested multiple times because of his job so I feel comfortable allowing him to come around but I cannot be crazy about cutting myself off to the world any longer. For me it's not just a matter of boredom its deepening an already deep amount of anxiety and depression I have. Humans were not made to not interact.
I might be ok if I had kids or Aj was still alive but with it just being me I'm suffering.
My family still shops for me. I literally haven't been anywhere except to the dr or my nieces in so long.
 

UmSumayyah

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I took a break and decided to go for a walk in my neighborhood. People aren't wearing masks anymore. I had my mask on and this white man was walking with his kids on the other side of the street and I heard him cough. I dont care if I look silly, I will continue to wear a mask when I'm out.
I wear a mask in stores but I'm not taking walk outside with a mask on unless the street looks like pre-lockdown Manhattan.
 

UmSumayyah

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The amount of time that you are exposed matters too. A Target run lasts for a few minutes with you hopefully moving quickly to get what you need and leave.


Growing evidence suggests that Covid-19 infection, like with other illnesses, is related to prolonged time exposed to the virus. The longer you stay in an environment that may contain the virus, the higher the risk of getting sick.”


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/us/coronavirus-time-risk/index.html

Spending a few hours with someone who is infected, even outdoors is probably riskier than spending a few minutes with someone who is infected in Target. Especially if you are both wearing masks and social distancing.
Up and down the same aisles that 50+ people of unknown hygiene went before me?

Stepping in front of the same register space that someone was breathing all in five seconds ago?
Store air just a swirling with an abundant sampling of the carbon dioxide from the lungs of the county? Picking up a jug of detergent that other people touched, putting it in the cart others touched, touching it to unload after the cashier (with gloves on) touched it after ringing up 28 people before me?

Nope.

Six plus feet away, soaking up vitamin D with a bring your own drink arrangement is a thousand times safer.
 

UmSumayyah

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't just because you said your husband was hesitant about it.
But your thought about getting back to life is an interesting dilemma.
Our country is not going to be shut down like the likes of other countries. All the violence over mask no mask, all the protests, people calling people sheep for trying to be compliant, people flocking to the first place that opens guidelines be damned, more experts divided means we will all be exposed for a long time short of never going anywhere. I'm not going to plan an elaborate vacation or have a huge house party with a bunch of people but this tiger has to get out the cage. Risk vs reward for me. Might be stupid or shortsighted on my part because I'm so at risk but I just cannot be little to no contact much longer. Its affecting me badly. With living alone and just sitting here day in and day out I just cant anymore.
Just shows me it's a no win situation. Living like a hermit is for the birds and I was kinda doing it even before this virus. I'm going absolutely insane and I needs..yes needs with an s... to get out this cage for my own wellbeing.
I opened my pool last weekend and had a little family gathering. It was amazing for my mental health to be around people.
I liken the way we have opened up to being prescribed a 7 day course of antibiotics. They tell you even if you feel better take the whole course. Some get to day 4, feel better then stop. I think we stopped short of getting to day 7 but the cats out the bag now.
I will still take every precaution I can, I have my stash of cleaning supplies and PPE, I still screen my family and the 1 friend I see regularly for symptoms plus he's been thoroughly tested multiple times because of his job so I feel comfortable allowing him to come around but I cannot be crazy about cutting myself off to the world any longer. For me it's not just a matter of boredom its deepening an already deep amount of anxiety and depression I have. Humans were not made to not interact.
I might be ok if I had kids or Aj was still alive but with it just being me I'm suffering.
My family still shops for me. I literally haven't been anywhere except to the dr or my nieces in so long.
I hear suicides are up but I haven't checked the stats

Anecdotally I have a few friends that have lost people to suicide.
 

Jmartjrmd

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I hear suicides are up but I haven't checked the stats

Anecdotally I have a few friends that have lost people to suicide.
yes I've seen some stories of suicide or murder suicide escalated by the restrictions. . just read a horrible DV story where this cop beat his wife so bad her eye was hanging out the socket.

I'm not jumping off any buildings but I recognize what I need for my own personal care.

I'm not talking being reckless rather just surrounding myself with humans I trust and that's my family and my boyfriend.
 

awhyley

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So sad . . . may he Rest In Peace, and Rise in Glory. :crying3:
Former White House Butler Who Served 11 Presidents Dies from COVID-19 at Age 91

Former President George W. Bush and former first lady Laura Bush remembered Wilson Roosevelt Jerman as a "lovely man"

A longtime White House butler, who served 11 presidents over the course of his tenure, died after contracting the coronavirus (COVID-19). He was 91.

Wilson Roosevelt Jerman died last weekend, his granddaughter Jamila Garrett confirmed to WTTG. He served as a cleaner, doorman and butler between 1957 and 2012.

Garrett said Jerman was first employed as a White House cleaner during Dwight D. Eisenhower's presidency, receiving a promotion to butler in the 1960s when John F. Kennedy sat in the Oval Office.

Jackie O actually promoted him to a butler because of the relationship. She was instrumental in ensuring that that happened,” Garrett told the outlet of the former first lady.



Wilson Roosevelt Jerman, White House Doorman

TINA HAGER, COURTESY OF THE GEORGE W. BUSH PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Jerman also had a bond with the Bush family, according to his granddaughter.

"When Bush Sr. became president, moved his family into the White House, George Bush Jr. has a little trouble adapting to a new environment, some trouble sleeping," she said. "Well, my grandfather would actually sit with him in his bedroom until he fell asleep."

In a statement to NBC News on Wednesday, former President George W. Bush and former first lady Laura Bush remembered Jerman as a "lovely man."

“He was the first person we saw in the morning when we left the Residence and the last person we saw each night when we returned,” said the Bushes.


A photo of Jerman standing and smiling alongside former President Barack Obama and former first lady Michelle Obama — the last first family he served — was included in Michelle's 2018 memoir Becoming.

Jerman and his wife had five children, 12 grandchildren and 18 grandchildren, according to WTTG. Due to the pandemic, the family will hold a virtual funeral service.

Garrett said Jerman was a "family-loving, genuine man" who "was always about service, service to others, and it didn’t matter who you were or what you did or what you needed, whatever that he could provide, he would.”

“I want the world to remember my grandfather as someone who was really authentic,” Garrett told WTTG. “Always be yourself — that’s what he taught our family, that’s what thrives throughout our family. And that’s what we’ll continue to carry on, his legacy.”

Link: https://people.com/health/wilson-ro...dBEDKAMq5v0GBuOc2UQOMBJHR_tG48OTWSItZisM5q_wM
 

SpiritJunkie

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yes I've seen some stories of suicide or murder suicide escalated by the restrictions. . just read a horrible DV story where this cop beat his wife so bad her eye was hanging out the socket.

I'm not jumping off any buildings but I recognize what I need for my own personal care.

I'm not talking being reckless rather just surrounding myself with humans I trust and that's my family and my boyfriend.
Mental Health in all this is real. Several of my staff talked to me about depression. Being away from family, especially if they live out of town is really hard. One person quit on me to go home in another province/state. He was balling....my daughters roommate also did the same thing...
 

Kanky

Well-Known Member
One of saddest things about this is how many people are stuck alone because they don't live with anyone else. A lot of elderly people already suffer from loneliness and now it is risky to even visit with them. I am also convinced that elderly folks in nursing homes are being abused and neglected because their loved ones can’t check on them.
 

Reinventing21

Spreading my wings
Your post had me cracking up because it is exactly how I felt the lasttime I went to a mini Walmart. Ususally, I check out my own stuff, but this time I got suckered into letting a cashier do it because she was young and called out so nicely as she saw me angling toward a self check, "I can help you over here!"

Why did I listen? Her customer before me was so grossly sickly looking. OMG! When I got back to my car I disinfected, changed gloves, sprayed more Lysol, drove home, unpacked outside door, re sprayed, let everything sit by door, sprayed handles, keys etc, doused bleached on hands, took hottest shower used gloves again to get stuff out of containers that I needed for dinner and so forth, disinfect, disinfect....ugh.

I could easily be grossed out at a beach tho, knowing the kind of nastiness of certain people and adding covid into the mix...well... I already HATE using public bathrooms so I am also definitely not going to try to be stuck out here in need of a bathroom.

The difference between the grocery store and the beach is that I HAVE to go to the grocery store.

I do think people need to get fresh air, connect with nature so I do do that, but I try to find places and times with the least amount of people.


Up and down the same aisles that 50+ people of unknown hygiene went before me?

Stepping in front of the same register space that someone was breathing all in five seconds ago?
Store air just a swirling with an abundant sampling of the carbon dioxide from the lungs of the county? Picking up a jug of detergent that other people touched, putting it in the cart others touched, touching it to unload after the cashier (with gloves on) touched it after ringing up 28 people before me?

Nope.

Six plus feet away, soaking up vitamin D with a bring your own drink arrangement is a thousand times safer.
 

Everything Zen

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I’m seeing so much foolishness on people‘s SM timelines: a friend’s wife went and got a tattoo in Indiana, another friend either flew or roadtripped to see his girlfriend in another state and they cheesing for the camera all hugged up with not nare (sp?) mask in sight- meanwhile I JUST started taking the dog for walks again 2 days ago. :censored:
 
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sithembile

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Every celebrity that catches Corona assures everyone that they will be fine. And like clockwork in a few weeks they are fine. I think there is a cure out there that the general public doesn't know about. It is so costly to be ignorant or unaware.

I have had it and am nearly 100% recovered after about 9 days. My GP prescribed me antibiotics just as a back up because it had infected my lungs and I had shortness of breathe for a couple of days. I wasn't hospitalised. Glory be to God.
 
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