Another school shooting 5/24

[Rastafarai]

I got into a
discussion about
how important I
felt that background
checks were with
a couple of Trumpers.
They disagreed with me.

They claimed that
background checks would
bar them from
having guns because
they would show
that they had been
to a psychiatrist
at one time or
another for depression
and that that
would be unfair
cuz they ain't crazy.


Guess this bullshsh
will never go away
because the people
making laws know
if background checks
were in place, many
would not have
the right to bear arms.

Sis, they know their kind is crazy. Almost always on some drug prescription for their mental health or have a rap sheet of previous domestic violence charges or convictions. While some states do not allow the sale of guns to anyone with a domestic violence charge, states like Texas have no such requirement. I believe their greatest fear is having more non-whites with access to guns than themselves. Dave Chappelle made a joke its the only way to get gun reform. He is right.

 

[ScorpioBeauty09]

whether he had body armour or not he had 2 assult rifles and was actively shooting at them according to reports.

Before I went to sleep I saw reports that the shooter had no body armor. I'm so disgusted. This is literally what the police are supposed to do: protect the public. Yet they have no problem shooting unarmed civilians. What good are they? As far as I'm concerned the police are useless. They kill people they're supposed to protect and let people kill with impunity that they're supposed to be able to stop.

 

[ScorpioBeauty09]

I got into a
discussion about
how important I
felt that background
checks were with
a couple of Trumpers.
They disagreed with me.

They claimed that
background checks would
bar them from
having guns because
they would show
that they had been
to a psychiatrist
at one time or
another for depression
and that that
would be unfair
cuz they ain't crazy.


Guess this bullshsh
will never go away
because the people
making laws know
if background checks
were in place, many
would not have
the right to bear arms.

If these Trumpers get so fed up they want to secede I say let them. I don't want to share a country with people who think like this.

 

[Everything Zen]

10000000000% agree BUT in this instance and the Buffalo shooting how would a universal background check have prevented those 18 year olds from legally purchasing those guns? Serious question.

 

[Everything Zen]

We need to get rid of the assault rifles and put a premium on the cost of bullets. Tax the out of them. But no they want tax stupid like fruit juice- Toni Preckwinckle.

 

[Everything Zen]

The other thing that bothers me is we’re just supposed to all be working today at our best performance levels like nothing is wrong or that we aren’t affected by any of it. And if we are there’s something wrong with us.

 

[Jmartjrmd]

That's what SWAT is for. They have better body and head armor to withstand the rifles.

This terrorist was allowed free reign for 30 minutes. 30 d*mn minutes.

I'm speaking strictly to the FIRST 2 officers who arrived not swat team.

I can only speak to information and unfortunately mis information I personally read to this point.

I know everyone hates cops but I'm married to one. We had a long discussion about this but I guess it's best I just watch and stay out this discussion.

 

[Rastafarai]

I'm speaking strictly to the FIRST 2 officers who arrived not swat team.

I can only speak to information and unfortunately mis information I personally read to this point.

I know everyone hates cops but I'm married to one. We had a long discussion about this but I guess it's best I just watch and stay out this discussion.

Not at all. I'm just so upset they didn't have immediate backup, and watched this perpetrator cause rampage for 30 minutes.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

‘He kept getting worse and worse’: Uvalde gunman developed morbid fascinations as family life deteriorated​

Travis Gettys
May 25, 2022

Salvador Ramos. (Uvalde Police Department)


Friends grew increasingly concerned about the behavior of an 18-year-old who gunned down at least 19 children and two teachers at a Texas elementary school, but they were still shocked to learn of his brutal actions.

Salvador Rolando Ramos shot and critically wounded his grandmother before going on a rampage at Robb Elementary School with weapons he legally purchased this month, just after turning 18 years old, before he was fatally shot by police, and former friends struggled to process the news after the shooter's identity went public, reported the Washington Post.

“I couldn’t even think, I couldn’t even talk to anyone," said Stephen Garcia, who had been Ramos' best friend in eighth grade. "I just walked out of class, really upset, you know, bawling my eyes out, because I never expected him to hurt people.”

“I think he needed mental help," Garcia added, "and more closure with his family, and love.”

Ramos was frequently bullied by classmates for his stutter and pronounced lisp, said Garcia, who moved to another part of Texas when his mother relocated for her job.

“He just started being a different person,” Garcia said. “He kept getting worse and worse, and I don’t even know.”

Ramos dropped out of school, started wearing all black clothing and military boots, and longtime friend Santos Valdez Jr. noticed similar changes, such as the time he showed up to a park to play basketball with cuts all over his face, which he initially blamed on a cat.

“Then he told me the truth, that he’d cut up his face with knives over and over and over,” Valdez said. “I was like, ‘You’re crazy, bro, why would you do that?’”

Ramos told him he'd done it for fun, and Valdez said Ramos drove around sometimes at night with another friend and shot at random people with a BB gun and egged cars, and he started posting photos of automatic rifles on social media -- including a pair posted four days ago -- and accounts of his troubled home life.

“He posted videos on his Instagram where the cops were there and he’d call his mom a ***** and say she wanted to kick him out,” said classmate Nadia Reyes. “He’d be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively.”

Multiple individuals close to the family, including Reyes, told the newspaper that Ramos' mother used drugs, and he had moved to his grandmother's home several months ago, and the grandmother was in the process of evicting the mother from a home that she rented to her.

 

[Rastafarai]

ETA: Posting the group, in case anyone is interested in considering their options:

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Reposted from the Blaxit/Black Expat group I belong to. Traumatized by the number of schools to date:

"Someone recently asked whether or not they should wait until their kids get older to leave. Don't wait. Get out.

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[PatDM'T]

10000000000% agree BUT in this instance and the Buffalo shooting how would a universal background check have prevented those 18 year olds from legally purchasing those guns? Serious question.

The post above
is a clue that
a background check
would have revealed
the issues everyone
else saw in the guy.

So many times
school shooters have
been kids who
had been picked
on by others and
who eventually snapped.

Someone always knows
beforehand because we
always hear about
their issues after
the fact.

So real background
checks and laws
would make it
difficult for these
sick kids and
sick adults to
get guns.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

My 5 year old niece attends preschool on a campus that's K-12. Different buildings for pre-school, elementary, and high school. Anyway, we found out today there's a picture circulating online of a high school student on campus holding a gun. They're trying to determine if the picture is current and if the gun is real. Thankfully she's home today due to a covid exposure in the classroom. Finally something good coming from covid???

Idk what to say, think, or do anymore. I want to throw it all away and rapunzel myself and my family somewhere.

 

[Everything Zen]

I know I said I would stay and fight for my country but now I that work for a company located in the Netherlands I may parlay this opportunity into a chance to relocate.

 

[oneastrocurlie]

Idk what to say, think, or do anymore. I want to throw it all away and rapunzel myself and my family somewhere.

I know that's right.

 

[ScorpioBeauty09]

DH and I are talking about TTC this time next year. But between this, SCOTUS overturning Roe v Wade and everything else... I don't know. Our long-term goal is to leave the U.S. but now I want it to be in the shorter term. No country is perfect but there are many places better than this.

I nearly lost my mom to gun violence when I was 6. She was near a well-known university in our area when she was shot by a man with a history not unlike most of the men who commit these massacres. I live with the trauma and I wasn't even with her when it happened. I can't imagine what it's like for her.

 

[naturalgyrl5199]

I know I said I would stay and fight for my country but now I that work for a company located in the Netherlands I may parlay this opportunity into a chance to relocate.

My HQ is in Paris, France. I am housed in a hospital but I could literally choose Europe or Asia and still have the same employer.

 

[naturalgyrl5199]

There was a Hispanic acquaintance who reposted something calling the terrorist a VICTIM of bullying.

I think TF not. Those kids HE targeted did not bully him. He was weak. Weak weak weak.

European nations, Australian Nations, African and Asian nations have mental health issues, kids are bullied as well. They don't go shooting kids like that--at least not like the US. Steve Kerr is right...50 weak Senators are holding us hostage and all they have to do is CALL the vote. Just CALL it. And they won't.

 

[Theresamonet]

The post above
is a clue that
a background check
would have revealed
the issues everyone
else saw in the guy.

So many times
school shooters have
been kids who
had been picked
on by others and
who eventually snapped.

Someone always knows
beforehand because we
always hear about
their issues after
the fact.

So real background
checks and laws
would make it
difficult for these
sick kids and
sick adults to
get guns.

Gun background checks screen for if a person:

• Is convicted of a crime with a sentence of more than one year
• Is under indictment for a crime with a sentence of more than one year
• Is a fugitive
• Uses controlled substances illegally
• Is determined by a court to be mentally incompetent. Importantly, just getting mental health care does not prevent you from buying a gun.
• Is in the U.S. illegally
• Is in the U.S. on a non-immigrant visa
• Has been dishonorably discharged from the U.S. Armed Forces
• Has renounced U.S. citizenship
• Is the subject of a protective order against threats of domestic violence
• Has been convicted of domestic violence

It does not screen for bullying, nor would they be able to deny someone a gun for that reason or because other people think they’re sketchy.

*******
I agree with the point @Everything Zen was making. We need the background checks, yes. But that would have done nothing to prevent this situation or the last several like it. Many school and mass shooters have been really young, without a criminal record.

18 is too young to be able to legally buy, own, and carry a gun. It’s absurd. They can’t legally buy alcohol, but can purchase military grade weapons.

 

[lavaflow99]

So this could have been stopped??

 

[lavaflow99]

And all those states talking about arming teachers and/or using SRO (School resource officers). I just heard the VA governor on the news TODAY talking about making SROs present at all schools.

Clearly that doesn't mean since they don't do

 

[ThursdayGirl]

All of these kids noticing changes in their friend and nobody said anything to anyone - assuming that he wouldn’t do something like this. I hate to say it, but we do not do enough for our kids when it comes to mental health issues. Where was the school noticing that he wasn’t coming to class and intervening? Why didn’t he have a social worker stepping in helping Mom get into a treatment program? Why didn’t Grandma report the changes that she noticed :-( . This is just sad all around. Mostl I blame Greg Abbot. He is a terrible human being who has shown over and over that he is a horrible decision maker. I support Term limits. If people can’t be smart enough to get rid of bad politicians, there should be rules to do it for them. It all feels so helpless. As to why people are like this? Its biology. https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ns-might-have-some-real-differences/?amp=true

 

[nichelle02]

I want 'all of the above'. Each time this happens and there is a discussion of preventative measures, there is a response that 'well, that wouldn't have stopped this particular incident'. And then, as usual, nothing changes.

Background checks? Yes
Raise the minimum age? Yes
Waiting periods? Yes
Ban particular types of weapons and cartridges? Yes
The below? Yes

 

[PatDM'T]

Gun background checks screen for if a person:

• Is convicted of a crime with a sentence of more than one year
• Is under indictment for a crime with a sentence of more than one year
• Is a fugitive
• Uses controlled substances illegally
• Is determined by a court to be mentally incompetent. Importantly, just getting mental health care does not prevent you from buying a gun.
• Is in the U.S. illegally
• Is in the U.S. on a non-immigrant visa
• Has been dishonorably discharged from the U.S. Armed Forces
• Has renounced U.S. citizenship
• Is the subject of a protective order against threats of domestic violence
• Has been convicted of domestic violence

It does not screen for bullying, nor would they be able to deny someone a gun for that reason or because other people think they’re sketchy.

*******
I agree with the point @Everything Zen was making. We need the background checks, yes. But that would have done nothing to prevent this situation or the last several like it. Many school and mass shooters have been really young, without a criminal record.

18 is too young to be able to legally buy, own, and carry a gun. It’s absurd. They can’t legally buy alcohol, but can purchase military grade weapons.

I know what
background checks currently
screen for which
is besides the point.

My point was
the checks need
an upgrade because
they do not screen
for mental illness
and I say they should.

I touched on
this on the
previous page when
I shared how I
was in a discussion
with Trumpers about
that very point.
So that is
where my head was.

That if lobbyists
and NRA were not
paying the legislative
branch to sit on
its hands and
do nothing, then
loopholes in the
checks would be
closed and people
with issues would
not be able to
get or own guns.

 

[PatDM'T]

I want 'all of the above'. Each time this happens and there is a discussion of preventative measures, there is a response that 'well, that wouldn't have stopped this particular incident'. And then, as usual, nothing changes.

Background checks? Yes
Raise the minimum age? Yes
Waiting periods? Yes
Ban particular types of weapons and cartridges? Yes
The below? Yes

 

[TrulyBlessed]

What?

 

[Seattle Slew]

I worked at one of those schools, and attended another.
I was in WA when Marysville happened and the community (they are a neighboring district) is still deeply affected by it to this day.

Yesterday I heard while at work. I had to act like that was just a bad rumor in order to get through the day. Then today checked in with every classroom to see how kids are doing. Unfortunately some kinders knew more about it than 4th graders. It was a sad day.

 

[Black Ambrosia]

What?

He’s not a bright man. He may win the election but he’ll soon be known as the village idiot.

 

[Seattle Slew]

I worked at one of those schools, and attended another.
I was in WA when Marysville happened and the community (they are a neighboring district) is still deeply affected by it to this day.

Yesterday I heard while at work. I had to act like that was just a bad rumor in order to get through the day. Then today checked in with every classroom to see how kids are doing. Unfortunately some kinders knew more about it than 4th graders. It was a sad day.

Also it was really …terrifying ? To know those airlock security doors meant nothing. That is our main security measure.

 

[nichelle02]

He’s not a bright man. He may win the election but he’ll soon be known as the village idiot.

Exactly. He really isn't. And to make things worse, he's spun a tale full of lies. The general election is going to be wild when they go to town on him. And yet, he could still win.

I hope Senator Warnock perseveres.

 

[PatDM'T]

The other day
someone pointed out
that when schools
and companies do
"active shooter" drills
the maniac who
will be the shooter
happens to be
privy to all the
deets....