LET'S FIND A NEW NAME FOR HEAT TRAINING!

brittanynic16 · Jan 17, 2011

colibri972 said:
Hello LHCF ladies,

There is a few days I send this mail to Brittanny and I'm so happy to hear that she thinks it's a good idea:

When I read it again I realize that I sound a bit harsh but all I said in this message I read it on the web when I searched for information about heat training.

I was shocked by the "you try to fool people around" blah blah... I don't believe that heat trained ladies do this on this purpose really.
Until today, all the heat trained ladies speak freely about their true hair texture.

Sooo, you dont have to be a heat trainers, you don't have to be a heat lovers... Just be CREATIVE!
and yes you can be natural, relaxed,texturized, texlaxed, bkted or bald too!

(I know we will have some "frylaxing" lol but hey, it's part of the game!)

LHCF is one of the best place to ask because on this board ladies are educated and open minded!

The following words have been proposed:

heatlax, thermal texturizing, thermal straightening , Mechanical Loosening, neo press, helax , thermalaxing....

And many more! You can read them all here:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

They are in the comment section.

ok ok...

The mic is open...

This is a funny thread. I, of course, understand what you mean perfectly. I have received many great ideas from subscribers. Again, I think this is a great idea and will serve its purpose in time and make it easier to people to find the information that they seek. Thank you again on the great suggestion. I haven't decided what to call it yet but I do have some great ideas. Please feel free to send me anymore suggestions.

brittanynic16 · Jan 17, 2011

vkb247 said:
i still think its misleading of her to make it seem like her results are just from using heat. that's bkt'd hair.

You are mistaken. I have not used the BKT in over a year. I go out of my way in many videos to point out my BKT'ed hair and my heat trained hair because there is a clear difference. I have no reason to mislead anyone nor have I.

I have NO problem with people not agreeing with me or my process but please don't call me a liar.

brittanynic16 · Jan 17, 2011

iri9109 said:
i'm not "hating" or trying to bash brittany but:

1.)why is she writing a book on something people have been doing for years? it aint that deep...continually use high heat over time, and eventually your curls will loosen and your hair will get straighter faster and with less effort...i thought that was common knowledge people have been using hot combs and technically "heat training" for over 100 years, so i really hope she doesnt try to come off as if she invented this brand new revolutionary method...i guess i just dont understand what new things she's bringing to the table that calls for a whole book to be written about it

2.) i dont see her changing the name of heat training catching on to many people 1st of all, and people who knew what it was before will still call it heat training...the phrase isnt going to go away...if anything the new phrase will probably just confuse people

i dont have a problem with heat training...if i ever decided i wanted permanently straight hair, i would heat train instead of relaxing...the only thing that makes it different from heat damage though, is that its intentional...if i straighten my hair and it doesnt revert, i'd be pissed because i have heat damage...a heat trainer actually wants those curl loosening effects.

To answer your questions

1) I am not writing a book on a process that people have been doing for years. I am writing a book on a process that I came up with which is why the OP thought it would be a good idea for a new name. The name is for my process not for what is traditionally known as heat training. I am writing it because people want the information.

2)From my original understanding of HT, the hair is heat styled until a change occurs in the hair whether it is accidental or intention. That is not what I do so I think a name to distinguish it from traditional heat training would be a good idea.

I am glad you would heat train. It can be a great process.

~*~ShopAholic~*~ · Jan 17, 2011

LOL! I agree, and it doesn't really matter what process or way one goes about doing it because in the end some kind of heat was used to change the natural texture of the hair. So the term heat trained still fits IMO.

Chaosbutterfly said:
LOL, This reminds me of when Oprah was on TV, saying that instead of referring to themselves as broke, people should say that they are "temporarily out of cash". I don't know why folks like to give things fancy names...it all means the same thing. Whether you say you're broke or temporarily out of cash doesn't change the fact that you ain't got no money.
And whether you call your hair heat trained or thermally reconstructed doesn't change the fact that you used heat to alter your natural texture.
I just don't see the point...it's just more letters to be typing.

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Rei · Jan 17, 2011

Meh, call a spade a spade. It's heat training.

I have no issues with it, especially since many of the women I know who heat train (like 80% of them) have way longer hair than me. Everyone turns up their nose at heat training until they see Longhairdontcare. In any case I don't see the difference between that and relaxing, so I'm not sure why people are so quick to call heat trained hair super damaged, but relaxed hair is not? I've been tempted once or twice to heat train if only for the ease (and before I get a thousand comments on how my hair can be easy if i know what to do with it, my hair thrives best in one style over a long period of time but my personality likes variance, so we're always fighting)

...also because as much as I love my fro there's still a part of me that has only ever wanted marcheie or pinkskate's hair lol, not even gonna lie.

lettieg27 · Jan 17, 2011

I don't see any issue with heat training either people use a lot of other processes that are al ot more dangerous than a heat appliance to straighten their hair, and as a child my hair was heat trained and I still had curly hair is wasn't bone straight like heat damage. I got my hair pressed consistently and over time it became easier to get my hair straight.

Evolving78 · Jan 17, 2011

colibri972 said:
@Mystic

I (or should I say We?) just don't think that heat training reflects the new way to think and pratice the heat training introduced by Brittanny.

And it's not in anyway an attempt to make a "sugar coating" word.
In my opinion, heat training is a little sugar coated.
In my case I would prefer something "harsher", more technic, more realistic.

But if this attempt doesn't succeed we will keep heat training.

right if your are going to keep it real, lets call a spade and spade and call it heat damage?

WyrdWay · Jan 17, 2011

ThermalPerm

colibri972 · Jan 17, 2011

Lovelylife said:
Some questions that you could answer, since I don't know much about heat training. I think my mother had me heat trained.
1. How often to use heat and on what temperature should be the heat be.
2. The products to use on straight hair styles to prevent reversion.
3. How to prevent reversion in rainy, humid weather. If you cannot prevent reversion, what styles to wear (such as braid outs..many people surprisingly don't know about this style).
4. Indicate how long the heat training should last.
5. Signs that you may be using too much heat and the steps to take if hair is damaged/to prevent damage.
6. The type of diet you should have. I imagine a high protein diet because your hair would need to be strong to handle the heat. You could also recommend MSM, for a looser hair texture to grow.
This is all I have for now, If I think of some more I'll tell. These are mainly the questions I have because I tried to unsuccessfully heat train.

Hello Lovely Life,

I suggest you to make some search on youtube, you will find all the answer you are looking for.
There is different people, with differents ways to practice heat training, and it would be more positive for you to do your search according your hair hair type and what you want to do for your hair.
You can try to compare what those ladies do, with what you did.

Per example, In my HT journey I will not try to avoid reversion, I will cowashing the rest of the week.
Ladies heat trains and hair style in the same time.
I'm only interested by the heat training part, so even if I cowash right after or 4 days after my heat training session, the damages needed for change my hair texture are already done.
I know Brirttany made a youtube video about moisture without reversion.

A high protein diet is a good idea, msm too! I would even say to put some msm in your hair conditioner. great help!

PearlyCurly · Jan 17, 2011

Rei said:
Meh, call a spade a spade. It's heat training.

I have no issues with it, especially since many of the women I know who heat train (like 80% of them) have way longer hair than me. Everyone turns up their nose at heat training until they see Longhairdontcare. In any case I don't see the difference between that and relaxing, so I'm not sure why people are so quick to call heat trained hair super damaged, but relaxed hair is not? I've been tempted once or twice to heat train if only for the ease (and before I get a thousand comments on how my hair can be easy if i know what to do with it, my hair thrives best in one style over a long period of time but my personality likes variance, so we're always fighting)

...also because as much as I love my fro there's still a part of me that has only ever wanted marcheie or pinkskate's hair lol, not even gonna lie.

I actually disagree. I believe Heat training is Heat damage but done on purpose & less dramatic, i dont care if your hair is down to the floor, or goes all the way to China...Just because your hair is long & looks beautiful that does not mean it isnt damaged.
But i do like the name "Heat-laxed" because that is basically what Heat Training is...Heat-Laxing :grin:

colibri972 · Jan 17, 2011

shortdub78 said:
right if your are going to keep it real, lets call a spade and spade and call it heat damage?

I invite you to read the answer I gave to Roux.

Let's imagine that heat damage is ok to talk about heat training now what is the new name for the heat damaged hair with breakage, dryness, dullness, over porosity, really thin hair strands and split ends?

Maybe super heat damage or over heat trained hair...

Evolving78 · Jan 17, 2011

colibri972 said:
I invite you to read the answer I gave to Roux.

Let's imagine that heat damage is ok to talk about heat training now what is the new name for the heat damaged hair with breakage, dryness, dullness, over porosity, really thin hair strands and split ends?

Maybe super heat damage or over heat trained hair...

i read it and i'm SMH on this one. but whatever works, works i guess?

lexiwiththecurls · Jan 17, 2011

Lady_q_tee said:
I think this is key to the differentiation between heat damage and thermalizing/heat trained

Heat damage:

1. breakage

2. unitentional alteration of hair texture wheather its breaking or not (as someone who DOESNT want their texture altered will say there hair is damaged regardless of wheather its breaking or not because there intention was not to alter anything permantley.

Thermalized: Intentional alteration of the hairs texture, no abnormal shedding or breakage.

It's kind of hard to use that definition because if you are using the same amount of heat--I mean ceramic irons only go up to 450..... I don't understand the word play on intentional vs unintentional when you are getting the same results- your curls/kinks loosened. Whether it is intentional or unintentional, what difference does it make?
I have a heat damaged section in my hair.....You might call my hair "heat trained" and I call it "heat damaged"...still...same results- hair that is less kinky.

I hate to use such a harsh example (but I cant think of anything else)..an intentional murder and an unintentional murder still has the same results: Someone was murdered. (Once again sorry for the harsh example and I know it doesn't compare..just trying to make a point)

I think instead of everyone worrying about changing the word to make it "catch on" or make it different than what it is, I think the focus needs to be on understanding. I think everyone should thoroughly understand scientifically what it does and then accept it for what it is.

I am against heat training for MYSELF, but I could care less what the next girl does to HER hair...but I think understanding is very important. Even though it doesn't matter to me what this girl or that girl does to her hair, I do hope they have a thorough understand of anything they do to their hair.

To me changing the name only makes newbies want to try it but they don't thoroughly understand but it just sounds like the "cool new thing".

Also, some of those terms listed are already being used by something totally different than heat trained.

Mystic · Jan 17, 2011

Naturally straight, straight naturally, non-chemically straight or intentionally straight are a few names I am suggesting but above all, Heat training is the ultimate name and should remain as is. Only time will tell if this process is accepted in the future; changing the name now won't make a da*n difference, lol. Just keep on doing your thing and the end result long-term will speak for itself.

vainღ♥♡jane · Jan 17, 2011

i like thermal texturizing. that sounds nice. ♥

kandiekj100 · Jan 17, 2011

From what I've seen brittany do with her hair, she does not any of the issues you have mentioned. Just like those who relax (another form of intntional damage to the hair), she DCs and uses protein. Neither is she uses heat on a constant. Similar to a relaxer? The extra heat is only done on the roots every so many weeks and I don't believe she flatirons her hair any more than some other lkadies with long gorgeous hair.

With that said, I'm not sure changing the name will cause people to view it differently. But I really just don't understand folks need to always shout from the rooftops that heat training is nothing more than heat damage. Yes, newbies need to understand that the technique will result will result in. A permenant change in their curl pattern. Yes, they need to know they need to take precautions to maintain strength and moisture, but we all, relaxed, telaxed, natural and heat trained need to do this and what works for one may need a little tweaking.

I'm not interested in heat training at this mnonmet because I like my kinks and curls as they are. But if I ever want straight hair permantly, I would seriously consider it, because my scalp just cannot take relaxers. I always got scalp burns no mnatter what. Heat training is just another choice at our disposal. No need to poopoo on it.

colibri972 said:
I invite you to read the answer I gave to Roux.

Let's imagine that heat damage is ok to talk about heat training now what is the new name for the heat damaged hair with breakage, dryness, dullness, over porosity, really thin hair strands and split ends?

Maybe super heat damage or over heat trained hair...

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colibri972 · Jan 17, 2011

shortdub78 said:
i read it and i'm SMH on this one. but whatever works, works i guess?

I had to search the definition of "SMH"

Urban dictionnary definition
Acronym for 'shake my head' or 'shaking my head.' Usually used when someone finds something so stupid, no words can do it justice...

I had a

erplexed moment and :lol:

can you explain what is stupid in my answer please?

Let's imagine, we are in street and we see a lady with nice relaxed, texturized hair
We don't think: she has nice lye damaged, over porous, prone to breakage hair.

then we see an other lady with locs we don't think: she has pretty hair who has been tangled to allow her to keep all her shed hair on her head, despite the fact that one day those hair will Maybe be too heavy and she will have roots thinning problem.

finally we see a third lady natural this time: this lady has beautiful , chemical free, naturally porous, chronically dry, tangle and breakage prone hair.

And if we dare to talk to those ladies because we would like to know their regimen, I'm sure we all know wich word we will choose...

Evolving78 · Jan 17, 2011

i meant that as in more of a confusing manner, not stupid.
i get what you are saying, but if the hair has been straighten by heat, it is pretty much the same as breaking down the cuticle layers of the hair with a relaxer, thus equals damage. now there are ways to protect the hair from further damage. but the hair has lost it's protective barrier. and there are a lot of beautiful relaxed heads as well as heat trained.

colibri972 said:
I had to search the definition of "SMH"

Urban dictionnary definition
Acronym for 'shake my head' or 'shaking my head.' Usually used when someone finds something so stupid, no words can do it justice...

I had a erplexed moment and

can you explain what is stupid in my answer please?

Let's imagine, we are in street and we see a lady with nice relaxed, texturized hair
We don't think: she has nice lye damaged, over porous, prone to breakage hair.

then we see an other lady with locs we don't think: she has pretty hair who has been tangled to allow her to keep all her shed hair on her head, despite the fact that one day those hair will Maybe be too heavy and she will have roots thinning problem.

finally we see a third lady natural this time: this lady has beautiful , chemical free, naturally porous, chronically dry, tangle and breakage prone hair.

And if we dare to talk to those ladies because we would like to know their regimen, I'm sure we all know wich word we will choose...

diadall · Jan 17, 2011

I know I suggested a name change but to be honest I never heard of heat training prior to a few months ago on this forum. Since learning what it is I have altered how I flat iron my hair (when I flat iron). I don't want to lose my curls so I use a lower temperature and I only make a couple of passes.

Rei · Jan 17, 2011

shortdub78 said:
right if your are going to keep it real, lets call a spade and spade and call it heat damage?

because some people don't consider it damaged. If you have heat straightened hair that acts healthy, doesn't shed, doesn't break, and grows out superlong is it still damaged?

PearlyCurly said:
I actually disagree. I believe Heat training is Heat damage but done on purpose & less dramatic, i dont care if your hair is down to the floor, or goes all the way to China...Just because your hair is long & looks beautiful that does not mean it isnt damaged.
But i do like the name "Heat-laxed" because that is basically what Heat Training is...Heat-Laxing

I guess so? Then give me damaged hair anyday :grin:

hell my own hair must be superdamaged for all it splits if i look at it wrong and I don't even heatstyle. maybe I should maybe be aiming for medium-damage, lol

Fine 4s · Jan 17, 2011

iri9109 said:
i'm not "hating" or trying to bash brittany but:

1.)why is she writing a book on something people have been doing for years? it aint that deep...continually use high heat over time, and eventually your curls will loosen and your hair will get straighter faster and with less effort...i thought that was common knowledge people have been using hot combs and technically "heat training" for over 100 years, so i really hope she doesnt try to come off as if she invented this brand new revolutionary method...i guess i just dont understand what new things she's bringing to the table that calls for a whole book to be written about it

2.) i dont see her changing the name of heat training catching on to many people 1st of all, and people who knew what it was before will still call it heat training...the phrase isnt going to go away...if anything the new phrase will probably just confuse people

i dont have a problem with heat training...if i ever decided i wanted permanently straight hair, i would heat train instead of relaxing...the only thing that makes it different from heat damage though, is that its intentional...if i straighten my hair and it doesnt revert, i'd be pissed because i have heat damage...a heat trainer actually wants those curl loosening effects.

I'm just happy that I got a chance to read a thread that could potentially be shut down before it does!

But on your first point, people make big bucks re-inventing information that already exists so why not? Whether she invented a method, a whole process or not, it's all in the packaging...marketing. As she mentioned, some people want to know so....give them what they want. This reminds me of when Pinkskates had her website and required payment to join. Folks were scratching their heads like uhmmmm 'ain't this the same information we can get on LHCF or BHM etc. for free?' She, was marketing herself (or hair.) Anyway, my 2 pennies....

sj10460 · Jan 17, 2011

From what I read, it seems the word "damage" is what people are trying to eliminate in assoication with heat trained. I think damage should first be defined. Damage hair is hair that is in poor condition, that has unusual amount of split ends, breakage, dryness, dullness, frizzy, brittle, no elasticity, easily matted, over-porosity, over conditioned, etc. Heat Trained hair, is hair that has been condition to thrive with high amounts or excessive amount of heat applied to the hair without an unusual amount of breakage, split ends, etc. The hair isn't dry or brittle, thus not damaged. Therefore, someone who has "heat trained" hair, their hair shouldn't be considered damage since its not. Now in all fairness, I've seen some people who refer to their hair as heat trained when it's damage. HTH

Glamourstruckk · Jan 17, 2011

Lynnerie said:
I'm confused...When did heat training become a new process? And I don't see a negative connotation with the term. In my opinion heat training is intentional and heat damage is unintentional. Just like when you described texlax vs. underprocess.

But if she wants to change the name I like thermal-texturizing or better yet heat-laxed like someone else mentioned.

I'm rather neutral to the debate on heat training, but I do like the suggestion of Thermal Texturizing. However, I'm more likely to call a cat a cat then to take it higher to feline. It is what it is.

Lovelylife · Jan 17, 2011

colibri972 said:
Hello Lovely Life,

I suggest you to make some search on youtube, you will find all the answer you are looking for.
There is different people, with differents ways to practice heat training, and it would be more positive for you to do your search according your hair hair type and what you want to do for your hair.
You can try to compare what those ladies do, with what you did.

Per example, In my HT journey I will not try to avoid reversion, I will cowashing the rest of the week.
Ladies heat trains and hair style in the same time.
I'm only interested by the heat training part, so even if I cowash right after or 4 days after my heat training session, the damages needed for change my hair texture are already done.
I know Brirttany made a youtube video about moisture without reversion.

A high protein diet is a good idea, msm too! I would even say to put some msm in your hair conditioner. great help!

I was just trying to put out some questions that could help start a process.....
I don't need to heat train, I'm relaxed. These are questions I had in the past before I found about longhaircareforum. You asked I just provided all I know, I'm not so dumb that I would spend years having these questions and still trying to heat train.

Evolving78 · Jan 17, 2011

technically it is damage, but you have been able to maintain and retain your hair. just like hair bleaching.

Rei said:
because some people don't consider it damaged. If you have heat straightened hair that acts healthy, doesn't shed, doesn't break, and grows out superlong is it still damaged?

I guess so? Then give me damaged hair anyday hell my own hair must be superdamaged for all it splits if i look at it wrong and I don't even heatstyle. maybe I should maybe be aiming for medium-damage, lol

Rei · Jan 17, 2011

shortdub78 said:
technically it is damage, but you have been able to maintain and retain your hair. just like hair bleaching.

I suppose. but then again i've also damaged my skin with piercings and damaged my body with unhealthy foods like mcdonalds so I'd be ok with damaged long, never breaking, looks shiny and healthy, doesn't shed excessively hair. :lachen:

I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.

I also think its kind of strange that suddenly all these technicalities come up every single time when it comes to heat straightened hair but on relaxed threads its all good and gravy. Technically, they should be the same thing. And yet no one says 'oh you're chemically damaged' How can you have heat straightened hair and have it not be healthy but you can have healthy relaxed hair? it makes no sense.

not calling out you relaxed heads :grin:

Just making an observation

colibri972 · Jan 17, 2011

Lovelylife said:
You would need to come up with a defined process for the term. Many are confused by heat training and do it improperly.

colibri972 said:
If you have idea for the process please share.
In fact, I know the actual process is not organized (ok ok it's a mess) but you can consider this thread is a sketch.

Now I know how it feel to be confused.
You were talking about the heat training process and I thought you were talking about the process that I used to find a new name for heat training... :spinning:

Lovelylife said:
Some questions that you could answer, since I don't know much about heat training. I think my mother had me heat trained.
....
This is all I have for now, If I think of some more I'll tell. These are mainly the questions I have because I tried to unsuccessfully heat train.

I believed you were personnaly asking for answers.

Lovelylife said:
I was just trying to put out some questions that could help start a process.....
I don't need to heat train, I'm relaxed. These are questions I had in the past before I found about longhaircareforum. You asked I just provided all I know, I'm not so dumb that I would spend years having these questions and still trying to heat train.

I never intended to be mean with you.

LovinLea · Jan 17, 2011

Rei said:
I suppose. but then again i've also damaged my skin with piercings and damaged my body with unhealthy foods like mcdonalds so I'd be ok with damaged long, never breaking, looks shiny and healthy, doesn't shed excessively hair. I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.

I also think its kind of strange that suddenly all these technicalities come up every single time when it comes to heat straightened hair but on relaxed threads its all good and gravy. Technically, they should be the same thing. And yet no one says 'oh you're chemically damaged' How can you have heat straightened hair and have it not be healthy but you can have healthy relaxed hair? it makes no sense.

not calling out you relaxed heads Just making an observation

I actually agree that all relaxed hair is damaged. I've noticed that some of the ladies with the long, thick, beautiful relaxed hair will say "my hair is as healthy as it can be given that it is relaxed".

vainღ♥♡jane · Jan 17, 2011

WyrdWay said:
ThermalPerm

ooh, i REALLY like this one too. ♥

hairedity · Jan 17, 2011

I really enjoy Brittney's channel!

It would be great if she performed her type of heat training on other willing volunteers to show that these results are universal, and don't just happen to work on her hair. Like someone mentioned I thought that possibly she got such fab results because she prior had BKT, but Brittney did clear that up. Still if she had other examples in her book/ on her site of other successfully trained heads, then I'd really 'buy it'.

I tried her method and it didn't losen my texture one bit! ..and that's why I would love to see other success stories other than her own (using her method).

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