Laela
Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
at Semantics Police That's not my intent...
This is a heavily misconceived topic, because it's a clash of one's truth against The Spirit of Truth. I just don't agree with you, so I'll leave this alone as well.
Hypnosis....?
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at Semantics Police That's not my intent...
This is a heavily misconceived topic, because it's a clash of one's truth against The Spirit of Truth. I just don't agree with you, so I'll leave this alone as well.
carcajada
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carcajada
This is for you from all of us...
Just so you know that we're not ganging up on you. It's the topic we are discussing.
Y'all always gang up on this forum.
. That's why I rarely visit. I dont feel personally attacked. However, i have no problem saying farewell to those i feel will take it "there." plus, I have no doubt each person will believe what they choose. It's just whenever I see any topic that wrongfully challenges areas I spent years training and taking classes/ licenses for, I feel the need to speak up. 
Detroit2Dallas
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Hypnosis is playng in witchcraft. Its not necessary to be offended but take it as a positive. Now that you've been told, the ball is in your court whether to take heed or just let it fly.
Hypnosis-trance-astral projection-seance ALL are anti-God and pro flesh, these devices are used to satisfy flesh and an unsure spirit.
How is that? Because this is YOU trying forcing your mind (spirit) into a peaceful (through the opening of spiritual doors) state.
Honestly, for all who read this and get offended or angry I'm glad. Because if it is troubling your spirit then you will (hopefully) yearn to seek the truth and God will confirm and then He will send you peace, the peace you try to force yourself to find in these practices. His word said he will keep us in Perfect Peace, it didnt say that we have to create a peace (because its just an illusion then), its freely given, we just have to freely receive.
Hypnosis-trance-astral projection-seance ALL are anti-God and pro flesh, these devices are used to satisfy flesh and an unsure spirit.
How is that? Because this is YOU trying forcing your mind (spirit) into a peaceful (through the opening of spiritual doors) state.
Honestly, for all who read this and get offended or angry I'm glad. Because if it is troubling your spirit then you will (hopefully) yearn to seek the truth and God will confirm and then He will send you peace, the peace you try to force yourself to find in these practices. His word said he will keep us in Perfect Peace, it didnt say that we have to create a peace (because its just an illusion then), its freely given, we just have to freely receive.
Guitarhero
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RE-EDIT
Sorry, for those who refuse to read the article and take paragraphs out of context to prove their own interpretation whether they agree or not.
Our church has no official statement on hypnosis so the idea of "christianity" being against it is not quite truthful. Here's an article from a catholic website that pretty much addresses both opposing sides' views and concerns. I remain neutral about it.
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By Susan Brinkmann
9/25/2007
The Catholic Standard and Times (www.cst-phl.com)
PHILADELPHIA, Pa. (The Catholic Standard and Times)- “I want you to relax,” the hypnotist says in a soft, undemanding voice. “Just look at the bright spot on the wall. Focus. Focus. You’re starting to relax. You’re feeling sleepy. Your eyelids are getting heavy … so heavy … you just want to sleep ….”
Advertisement
Millions of Americans have gone through the experience of being hypnotized to help them overcome a bad habit such as smoking or eating too much. An officially endorsed therapeutic method used in various medical, psychiatric, and dental fields, hypnosis is used for everything, including preparing people for anesthesia, pain management and smoking cessation programs.
The Catholic Church does not have an official position on hypnosis. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the Church warns Catholics to be on their guard against the abuses of “magnetism and hypnotism” but “leaves the way free for scientific research.”
History
According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the practice of hypnotism was begun in the latter part of the 18th century by a German physician named Franz Mesmer, who used hypnosis to treat patients. Mesmer believed that hypnotism made use of an occult force, which he termed “animal magnetism,” that flowed through the hypnotist and into the subject. Although he was eventually discredited, his method — named “mesmerism” after its creator — continued to interest the medical profession.
In the middle of the 19th century, an English physician named James Braid began to study the phenomenon, and it was he who coined the name “hypnosis,” after the Greek god of sleep, Hynos.
Hypnosis began to attract more widespread scientific interest by the end of the century, eventually attracting the attention of an Austrian physician named Sigmund Freud who began using it to help his patients recall whatever disturbing events were causing their neurosis.
Although Freud eventually abandoned the practice, it was used to treat soldiers who had experienced combat neuroses during World War I and II, and eventually went on to provide other limited uses in medicine.
Meanwhile, even though various researchers have posited different theories on what it is, and how it works, there is still no generally accepted explanation of hypnosis.
How it works
Techniques used to induce hypnosis are common: A subject is encouraged to relax, then is coached into falling into a state of profound relaxation or trance. The degree of the trance is different for everyone, ranging from light to profound trance states.
“The central phenomenon of hypnosis is suggestibility, a state of greatly enhanced receptiveness and responsiveness to suggestions and stimuli presented by the hypnotist,” the Britannica states. “Appropriate suggestions by the hypnotist can induce a remarkably wide range of psychological, sensory and motor responses from persons who are deeply hypnotized ….
“The subject can be induced to behave as if deaf, blind, paralyzed, hallucinated, delusional, amnesic, or impervious to pain or to uncomfortable body postures,” it goes on. “One fascinating manifestation that can be elicited from a subject who has been in a hypnotic trance is that of post-hypnotic suggestion and behavior; that is, the subject’s execution, at some later time, of instructions and suggestions that were given to him while he was in a trance.”
The process of hypnotizing someone is not difficult to learn and requires no particular skill, which means that it can be — and is — used by people who are not medically licensed or who use it for the purposes of entertainment.
The Britannica warns: “Hypnosis has been repeatedly condemned by various medical associations when it is used purely for purposes of public entertainment, owing to the dangers of adverse posthypnotic reactions to the procedure.
“Indeed, in this regard several nations have banned or limited commercial or public displays of hypnosis,” the encyclopedia continues. “In addition, many courts of law refuse to accept testimony from people who have been hypnotized for purposes of ‘recovering’ memories, because such techniques can lead to confusion between imaginations and memories.”
Past life regression
The greatest controversy surrounding hypnosis is its use for the recovery of memories. Most professional medical associations take a stand similar to that of the American Medical Association, which stated in 1993 that recovered memories are “of uncertain authenticity which should be subject to external verification. The use of recovered memories is fraught with problems of potential misapplication.”
Despite that lack of scientific support, a popular form of hypnotherapy, known as “past life regression” is prevalent in New Age circles.
It consists of hypnotizing a subject, then guiding the individual through alleged past lives. The practice requires belief in the non-Christian doctrine of reincarnation — and it enjoys even less scientific acceptance that repressed memory therapies.
In fact, a new study, conducted at Maastricht University in the Netherlands, found that patients who had undergone hypnosis in order to remember ...
“past lives” were more likely than other patients to have bad memories.
According to study, published March 30 in Scientific American, “Subjects who claimed to have memories of previous lives were more likely than those without such recollections to misidentify more of the previously recited names as belonging to famous people. They were unable to correctly recall.”
A long history of fraud is also associated with various types of “past life” experiences, beginning with the famous Bridey Murphy case in 1952, which many believe was the start of the “past life regression therapy” craze.
That case involved a Colorado housewife named Virginia Tighe, who began speaking in an Irish brogue after being hypnotized. Tighe claimed she once lived in Cork, Ireland, where she was known as Bridey Murphy. The story turned into a best selling book, “The Search for Bridey Murphy,” and journalists combed Ireland looking for details that might confirm what appeared to be real proof of the woman’s reincarnation.
Nothing ever turned up, however, and Tighe was eventually exposed as a fraud, according to an article titled “Twelve Claims Every Catholic Should Be Able to Answer,” by Deal Hudson.
“Virginia’s childhood friends recalled her active imagination and ability to concoct complex stories (often centered around the imitation brogue she had perfected). Not only that, but she had a great fondness for Ireland, due in part to a friendship with an Irish woman whose maiden name was — you guessed it -—Bridey,” Hudson wrote.
In spite of revelations of fraud and the scorn of professionals, the list of New Age practitioners dedicated to guiding people through past life experiences grows longer every day.
“While this may be convincing to some, it certainly isn’t to anyone familiar with the mechanics of hypnosis,” Hudson writes. “Almost since the beginning, researchers have noted that patients in deep hypnosis frequently weave elaborate stories and memories, which later turn out to be utterly untrue.”
Moira Noonan, a professional speaker and the author of “Ransomed from Darkness,” was once a certified hypnotherapist with a special interest in past-life regression.
“Regression therapies are, of course, only meaningful if one believes in reincarnation, a belief that is fundamental to New Age thinking,” Noonan writes. “I know that the past-life experiences I once induced were either imaginary or were drawn from experiences earlier in a client’s present life. Some may have involved dark forces, but most likely they didn’t.
“Not all forms of hypnotherapy are dangerous …,” Noonan continues. “What makes it risky is that a person under hypnosis has surrendered his will and is utterly open to suggestion. So you must know the background and belief system and training of anyone who provides you with hypnosis therapies.”
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This story was made available to Catholic Online by permission of The Catholic Standard and Times (www.cst-phl.com), official newspaper of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, Pa.
Sorry, for those who refuse to read the article and take paragraphs out of context to prove their own interpretation whether they agree or not.
Our church has no official statement on hypnosis so the idea of "christianity" being against it is not quite truthful. Here's an article from a catholic website that pretty much addresses both opposing sides' views and concerns. I remain neutral about it.
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By Susan Brinkmann
9/25/2007
The Catholic Standard and Times (www.cst-phl.com)
PHILADELPHIA, Pa. (The Catholic Standard and Times)- “I want you to relax,” the hypnotist says in a soft, undemanding voice. “Just look at the bright spot on the wall. Focus. Focus. You’re starting to relax. You’re feeling sleepy. Your eyelids are getting heavy … so heavy … you just want to sleep ….”
Advertisement
Millions of Americans have gone through the experience of being hypnotized to help them overcome a bad habit such as smoking or eating too much. An officially endorsed therapeutic method used in various medical, psychiatric, and dental fields, hypnosis is used for everything, including preparing people for anesthesia, pain management and smoking cessation programs.
The Catholic Church does not have an official position on hypnosis. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the Church warns Catholics to be on their guard against the abuses of “magnetism and hypnotism” but “leaves the way free for scientific research.”
History
According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the practice of hypnotism was begun in the latter part of the 18th century by a German physician named Franz Mesmer, who used hypnosis to treat patients. Mesmer believed that hypnotism made use of an occult force, which he termed “animal magnetism,” that flowed through the hypnotist and into the subject. Although he was eventually discredited, his method — named “mesmerism” after its creator — continued to interest the medical profession.
In the middle of the 19th century, an English physician named James Braid began to study the phenomenon, and it was he who coined the name “hypnosis,” after the Greek god of sleep, Hynos.
Hypnosis began to attract more widespread scientific interest by the end of the century, eventually attracting the attention of an Austrian physician named Sigmund Freud who began using it to help his patients recall whatever disturbing events were causing their neurosis.
Although Freud eventually abandoned the practice, it was used to treat soldiers who had experienced combat neuroses during World War I and II, and eventually went on to provide other limited uses in medicine.
Meanwhile, even though various researchers have posited different theories on what it is, and how it works, there is still no generally accepted explanation of hypnosis.
How it works
Techniques used to induce hypnosis are common: A subject is encouraged to relax, then is coached into falling into a state of profound relaxation or trance. The degree of the trance is different for everyone, ranging from light to profound trance states.
“The central phenomenon of hypnosis is suggestibility, a state of greatly enhanced receptiveness and responsiveness to suggestions and stimuli presented by the hypnotist,” the Britannica states. “Appropriate suggestions by the hypnotist can induce a remarkably wide range of psychological, sensory and motor responses from persons who are deeply hypnotized ….
“The subject can be induced to behave as if deaf, blind, paralyzed, hallucinated, delusional, amnesic, or impervious to pain or to uncomfortable body postures,” it goes on. “One fascinating manifestation that can be elicited from a subject who has been in a hypnotic trance is that of post-hypnotic suggestion and behavior; that is, the subject’s execution, at some later time, of instructions and suggestions that were given to him while he was in a trance.”
The process of hypnotizing someone is not difficult to learn and requires no particular skill, which means that it can be — and is — used by people who are not medically licensed or who use it for the purposes of entertainment.
The Britannica warns: “Hypnosis has been repeatedly condemned by various medical associations when it is used purely for purposes of public entertainment, owing to the dangers of adverse posthypnotic reactions to the procedure.
“Indeed, in this regard several nations have banned or limited commercial or public displays of hypnosis,” the encyclopedia continues. “In addition, many courts of law refuse to accept testimony from people who have been hypnotized for purposes of ‘recovering’ memories, because such techniques can lead to confusion between imaginations and memories.”
Past life regression
The greatest controversy surrounding hypnosis is its use for the recovery of memories. Most professional medical associations take a stand similar to that of the American Medical Association, which stated in 1993 that recovered memories are “of uncertain authenticity which should be subject to external verification. The use of recovered memories is fraught with problems of potential misapplication.”
Despite that lack of scientific support, a popular form of hypnotherapy, known as “past life regression” is prevalent in New Age circles.
It consists of hypnotizing a subject, then guiding the individual through alleged past lives. The practice requires belief in the non-Christian doctrine of reincarnation — and it enjoys even less scientific acceptance that repressed memory therapies.
In fact, a new study, conducted at Maastricht University in the Netherlands, found that patients who had undergone hypnosis in order to remember ...
“past lives” were more likely than other patients to have bad memories.
According to study, published March 30 in Scientific American, “Subjects who claimed to have memories of previous lives were more likely than those without such recollections to misidentify more of the previously recited names as belonging to famous people. They were unable to correctly recall.”
A long history of fraud is also associated with various types of “past life” experiences, beginning with the famous Bridey Murphy case in 1952, which many believe was the start of the “past life regression therapy” craze.
That case involved a Colorado housewife named Virginia Tighe, who began speaking in an Irish brogue after being hypnotized. Tighe claimed she once lived in Cork, Ireland, where she was known as Bridey Murphy. The story turned into a best selling book, “The Search for Bridey Murphy,” and journalists combed Ireland looking for details that might confirm what appeared to be real proof of the woman’s reincarnation.
Nothing ever turned up, however, and Tighe was eventually exposed as a fraud, according to an article titled “Twelve Claims Every Catholic Should Be Able to Answer,” by Deal Hudson.
“Virginia’s childhood friends recalled her active imagination and ability to concoct complex stories (often centered around the imitation brogue she had perfected). Not only that, but she had a great fondness for Ireland, due in part to a friendship with an Irish woman whose maiden name was — you guessed it -—Bridey,” Hudson wrote.
In spite of revelations of fraud and the scorn of professionals, the list of New Age practitioners dedicated to guiding people through past life experiences grows longer every day.
“While this may be convincing to some, it certainly isn’t to anyone familiar with the mechanics of hypnosis,” Hudson writes. “Almost since the beginning, researchers have noted that patients in deep hypnosis frequently weave elaborate stories and memories, which later turn out to be utterly untrue.”
Moira Noonan, a professional speaker and the author of “Ransomed from Darkness,” was once a certified hypnotherapist with a special interest in past-life regression.
“Regression therapies are, of course, only meaningful if one believes in reincarnation, a belief that is fundamental to New Age thinking,” Noonan writes. “I know that the past-life experiences I once induced were either imaginary or were drawn from experiences earlier in a client’s present life. Some may have involved dark forces, but most likely they didn’t.
“Not all forms of hypnotherapy are dangerous …,” Noonan continues. “What makes it risky is that a person under hypnosis has surrendered his will and is utterly open to suggestion. So you must know the background and belief system and training of anyone who provides you with hypnosis therapies.”
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This story was made available to Catholic Online by permission of The Catholic Standard and Times (www.cst-phl.com), official newspaper of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, Pa.
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Rainbow Dash
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There is not one scripture that says hypnosis is okay. I dont care who it is. Even if it is another christian, bishop, reverend, pope, pastor, we are NOT to allow someone to hypnotize us. Our peace of mind comes from the peace of God. It is not of God to be put under by anyone.
He will keep them in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on Him...
Let the peace of God rule in your hearts...
Have the mind of Christ...
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus.
The peace of God, which surpasses all understanding shall guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Cast down every imagination and thing that would exalt itself against the knowledge of Christ...
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Iwanthealthyhair67
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LucieLoo12
Well-Known Member
I looked up the origin and history on this....
Hypnosis has been practiced in one form or another throughout all of recorded history. Many historians can trace it back to the records kept in ancient temples of the early Egyptians. According to William Kroger, M.D. and William Fezler, Ph.D. it has been part of religious practices throughout the world since the first records were kept. Links can be made to hypnosis in many world religions as well as pagan practices. Some of these include exorcisms by the Assyro-Babylonians, soothsaying by the Egyptians, Jewish mysticism, Byzantine Catholicism, Taoism among the Chinese, Sufism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Tibetan Buddism and Zen, and Yoga.
hyp·no·sis/hipˈnōsis/
Noun:
Hypnosis has been practiced in one form or another throughout all of recorded history. Many historians can trace it back to the records kept in ancient temples of the early Egyptians. According to William Kroger, M.D. and William Fezler, Ph.D. it has been part of religious practices throughout the world since the first records were kept. Links can be made to hypnosis in many world religions as well as pagan practices. Some of these include exorcisms by the Assyro-Babylonians, soothsaying by the Egyptians, Jewish mysticism, Byzantine Catholicism, Taoism among the Chinese, Sufism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Tibetan Buddism and Zen, and Yoga.
hyp·no·sis/hipˈnōsis/
Noun:
- The induction of a state of consciousness in which a person apparently loses the power of voluntary action and is highly responsive to...
Guitarhero
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Alicialynn86
Can you explain how Jewish mysticism and Byzantine Catholicism (Greek Catholic Church) have practiced hypnotism as it's certainly not part of the service nor theology taught. I know we have no official stance on it other than what was stated in an article I posted. How would it be part of our worship service or teaching base, if I may ask? Could you also cite the url for the website?
Can you explain how Jewish mysticism and Byzantine Catholicism (Greek Catholic Church) have practiced hypnotism as it's certainly not part of the service nor theology taught. I know we have no official stance on it other than what was stated in an article I posted. How would it be part of our worship service or teaching base, if I may ask? Could you also cite the url for the website?
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Y'all always gang up on this forum.
Well, we're not letting you leave.
Disagreeements are just that, disagreements. After reading that you had years of training in hypnosis, I understand your reasons to defend it. In this same light, in opposing hypnosis, it's from our years of Bible study and training in Ministry, and our experiences in prayer, our relationship with the Lord, solely.
The opposition against hypnosis, is not an 'attack' is not against you, it is not a personal judgement held against your character. We simply have to guard our hearts and be selective on what we allow to come into it.
This is one of my most favorite prayers and it' has saved me from stepping into many a wrong path which I thought was safe. It's a gift from God's heart to all of us.
"That which I do not see, teach thou me; and where I have sinned [errored], I will do no more." (Job 34:32)
carcajada ... I've made so many mistakes; there are so many 'innocents' that were in my life that I thought were truly innocent and okay to be a part of. I'm still learning and I'm still 'deleting' misconcepts from my life. Each time God shows me the 'errors', I'm able to make better choices/decisions to not make the same mistakes again. All because of this prayer...
Father in the name of Jesus, 'That which I do not see, teach thou me; where I have sinned [errored], I will do no more. "
In Jesus' Name, Amen and Amen.
Letting you leave, doesn't 'fix' this.
makeupgirl
Well-Known Member
I don't know why this is even an argument. We know what the word of God says and if anyone is against that, then they have to answer to God and God alone and he will deal with them for going against his word. There is a major difference in what the world thinks, what we thinks, and what God thinks. We know what God thinks because his word is written down in the bible. Why don't people just learn to trust that and stop going to the world for stuff? That's when the woe is me stuff comes into play and the oh Christians are too judgmental. I'm sorry but I'm not going to feel sorry for anyone that outrights go against the bible, knowing that what they are doing is not of God.
Guitarhero
New Member
How does my church practice hypnotherapy in its teaching and in its Mass? I found no such charges in that website. If something is stated as such, bring backup and evidence...cuz I'm bringing guns.:210:
I guarantee you, it tis not truth! I'm still trying to figure out they made that statement, tho..
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LucieLoo12
Well-Known Member
Ummm, i dont know much about you or your church or even your religion honestly ...i posted it to bring out the origin of it..
Im pretty sure you can research it more if you want to find how it relates to your religion...
...i posted it to bring out the origin of it..Im pretty sure you can research it more if you want to find how it relates to your religion...
Guitarhero
New Member
Ummm, i dont know much about you or your church or even your religion honestly
Im pretty sure you can research it more if you want to find how it relates to your religion...
"Hypnosis has been practiced in one form or another throughout all of recorded history. Many historians can trace it back to the records kept in ancient temples of the early Egyptians. According to William Kroger, M.D. and William Fezler, Ph.D. it has been part of religious practices throughout the world since the first records were kept. Links can be made to hypnosis in many world religions as well as pagan practices. Some of these include exorcisms by the Assyro-Babylonians, soothsaying by the Egyptians, Jewish mysticism, Byzantine Catholicism, Taoism among the Chinese, Sufism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Tibetan Buddism and Zen, and Yoga."
Ok, but they made a statement that we use hypnosis. It's not true as far as I know. Individuals use hypnosis but is not something our Church teaches on as in leading the masses to practice it. They stated that it is permissible but also give advice that one could be in danger of losing self-control. The hypnotherapist is the crucial partner in hypnotherapy. If they are abusive in any way or tap into the dark arts, then it could be dangerous and/or absolutely against Mother Church and scripture. That was the point I made earlier by sending in the post. As with the gay issue, mine is saying that we do not know all there is to know about it to make a definitive statement about the nature or origins of it but that there are restrictions in behavior.
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LucieLoo12
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Detroit2Dallas
New Member
Get out, run, flee chile! Go! Dont look back! Geesh, the church you go to, the religion you practice aint higher then the WOG how in the word they gon say something is permissible when it goes against the word? Your catholic tho so I'm not surprised just saddened that they are leading so many people down a nice path towards destruction. Its witch craft, its like when people talk about white magic and black magic, its all Baal. Catholism is something else.
what are you talking about in the second bolded?
ETA I know you aint sensitive so I dont have to say dont take what I said in offense cause I truly like you GH
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Guitarhero
New Member
First, one must comprehend what hypnosis is. I've already pointed out the potential dangers as identified by my church. It's permissible by therapists in a counseling/medical setting. We're not talking about Uncle Bobo, Remus and Romulus on television trying to hypnotize to get more money or bark and meow for laughs and whatnot lolol! Calm...collective...look at the issue. You also have to know who the therapist is as well to avoid abuse of it. It can be therapeutic. Some people will say "nay" and others will say, "be cautious." I'mma be neutral.
Reiterating from the article:
“Not all forms of hypnotherapy are dangerous …,” Noonan continues. “What makes it risky is that a person under hypnosis has surrendered his will and is utterly open to suggestion. So you must know the background and belief system and training of anyone who provides you with hypnosis therapies.”
Well, it's there in red. As for the church, hypotherapy is not promoted, there's just been a determination on whether it is permissible for a believer in the faith. Note, they are not talking about permitting regression therapy or the belief one had a previous life as this is reincarnation. That would not be permissible.
Second issue...whether or not being gay is wrong or the act of being gay is wrong. Since we don't know the nature of the brain in both these issues, then it's best to be cautious but science is not disallowed.
Yes, you're my friend! Only you and Almaz are allowed to talk to me this way
My Church is fine. I won't go to another and the gates of hell ain't ever going to prevail against it.
Reiterating from the article:
“Not all forms of hypnotherapy are dangerous …,” Noonan continues. “What makes it risky is that a person under hypnosis has surrendered his will and is utterly open to suggestion. So you must know the background and belief system and training of anyone who provides you with hypnosis therapies.”
Well, it's there in red. As for the church, hypotherapy is not promoted, there's just been a determination on whether it is permissible for a believer in the faith. Note, they are not talking about permitting regression therapy or the belief one had a previous life as this is reincarnation. That would not be permissible.
Second issue...whether or not being gay is wrong or the act of being gay is wrong. Since we don't know the nature of the brain in both these issues, then it's best to be cautious but science is not disallowed.
Yes, you're my friend! Only you and Almaz are allowed to talk to me this way
My Church is fine. I won't go to another and the gates of hell ain't ever going to prevail against it.
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Iwanthealthyhair67
Well-Known Member
The fact the hypnotism is linked to taoism, hinduism, buddhism yoga new age, used in occult practices etc., gives me pause I don't need to explore it's benefits or the good it can do ...(there is a way that seemeth right unto a man but the end thereof leads to destruction)
a troubled person does not need hypnotic 'regression' sessions he/she need a good deliverance service or a series of deliverance services
and as for peace, the word says my peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you, this tells me that I don't need to 'call up' peace, peace lives in me, peace is Holy Spirit and I've got him.
a troubled person does not need hypnotic 'regression' sessions he/she need a good deliverance service or a series of deliverance services
and as for peace, the word says my peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you, this tells me that I don't need to 'call up' peace, peace lives in me, peace is Holy Spirit and I've got him.
LucieLoo12
Well-Known Member
Anything that the pagans or non christians groups are doing, I DEFINTELY, want no part of it...in the Old testament God commands soooo many times for His people to always be seperate and not to mix with the heathens traditions and customs..This has not changed. He is the same God..Only meditation we need to be doing is on the word, I dont need anyone to be put me in a trance to do that....
lilanie
New Member
That's that margerine/low cal. sweetner/non dairy creamer again. All substandard substitutes for meditating on God's Holy Word...
The enemy is the C-level executive in charge of trickery/foolery. Everything in his agenda always has to have some long story to it, but when it comes to the Truth, its all very short and sweet.
The enemy is the C-level executive in charge of trickery/foolery. Everything in his agenda always has to have some long story to it, but when it comes to the Truth, its all very short and sweet.
Rainbow Dash
Well-Known Member
Yep he is the father of lies. Lies mixed in with a little truth. Twisted words. He is an enchanter, charmer, deceitful. Just like in the garden... "Did God really say that?".....type of stuff. "Did God really mean what He said?"
Guitarhero
New Member
Nobody is deceiving anyone here, to my knowledge. I believe there was a valid presentation by the other poster (not at all referring to my post). There are two sides to this and obviously, one side is panicking. It's not necessary and I comprehend the resistance to it as well as the suppporters to that which is NOT dangerous. No one has to agree with hypnosis. You don't agree that not all hypnosis is dark and dangerous and you are welcomed to that opinion. But mind you, those who are careful and abide by the guidelines and cautionary advice of their church are NOT enchanted, charmed, deceitful nor misguided and neither are they worshiping a false g-d. I'm speaking in support of Carcajada, not myself.
Being informed about an issue before condemnation is the key to being balanced in all walks in life, no matter which personal opinion you possess. There are scriptural references for incidences of "hypnosis" but many conservatives will not agree...others will. My concern was the lack of information about it, the scriptures pointing to incidences of it from divine origin and the charge that a fellow member(s) are deceived because of a different interpretation of scripture. Isn't that usually what happens here?
If we can respect the differences in unity of body...So, how to do that? A. doesn't believe in it and feels it's demonic. B. is neutral and C. feels it is okay. All A,B, and C base their belief on scripture and interpretation of their church teaching. Then it should follow that all have differing opinions on whether it is permissible for christians but no one should charge another as being non-christian or deceived as it is implied here, dismissing scriptural bases. Now, I've not provided them as it wasn't my thread. That is not fair to the discussion but neither are the charges of "evil." Obviously, this applies to something where it is not strictly indicated in scripture with no variance/deviation from the command...as in murder or adultery. I think Carcajada had a right to mention it in discussion but if no one is informed about something that is not black and white in scripture (provided they are not participating in the occult...which was not the focus in this discussion), then we should all admit it and whichever decision we personally make should be respected. Again, it's regarding issues in scripture that are not ...what's the word...varied and cut and dry.
Being informed about an issue before condemnation is the key to being balanced in all walks in life, no matter which personal opinion you possess. There are scriptural references for incidences of "hypnosis" but many conservatives will not agree...others will. My concern was the lack of information about it, the scriptures pointing to incidences of it from divine origin and the charge that a fellow member(s) are deceived because of a different interpretation of scripture. Isn't that usually what happens here?
If we can respect the differences in unity of body...So, how to do that? A. doesn't believe in it and feels it's demonic. B. is neutral and C. feels it is okay. All A,B, and C base their belief on scripture and interpretation of their church teaching. Then it should follow that all have differing opinions on whether it is permissible for christians but no one should charge another as being non-christian or deceived as it is implied here, dismissing scriptural bases. Now, I've not provided them as it wasn't my thread. That is not fair to the discussion but neither are the charges of "evil." Obviously, this applies to something where it is not strictly indicated in scripture with no variance/deviation from the command...as in murder or adultery. I think Carcajada had a right to mention it in discussion but if no one is informed about something that is not black and white in scripture (provided they are not participating in the occult...which was not the focus in this discussion), then we should all admit it and whichever decision we personally make should be respected. Again, it's regarding issues in scripture that are not ...what's the word...varied and cut and dry.
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Rainbow Dash
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Nobody is deceiving anyone here, to my knowledge. I believe there was a valid presentation by the other poster (not at all referring to my post). There are two sides to this and obviously, one side is panicking. It's not necessary and I comprehend the resistance to it as well as the suppporters to that which is NOT dangerous. No one has to agree with hypnosis. You don't agree that not all hypnosis is dark and dangerous and you are welcomed to that opinion. But mind you, those who are careful and abide by the guidelines and cautionary advice of their church are NOT enchanted, charmed, deceitful nor misguided and neither are they worshiping a false g-d. I'm speaking in support of Carcajada, not myself.
Being informed about an issue before condemnation is the key to being balanced in all walks in life, no matter which personal opinion you possess. There are scriptural references for incidences of "hypnosis" but many conservatives will not agree...others will. My concern was the lack of information about it, the scriptures pointing to incidences of it from divine origin and the charge that a fellow member(s) are deceived because of a different interpretation of scripture. Isn't that usually what happens here?
If we can respect the differences in unity of body...So, how to do that? A. doesn't believe in it and feels it's demonic. B. is neutral and C. feels it is okay. All A,B, and C base their belief on scripture and interpretation of their church teaching. Then it should follow that all have differing opinions on whether it is permissible for christians but no one should charge another as being non-christian or deceived as it is implied here, dismissing scriptural bases. Now, I've not provided them as it wasn't my thread. That is not fair to the discussion but neither are the charges of "evil." Obviously, this applies to something where it is not strictly indicated in scripture with no variance/deviation from the command...as in murder or adultery. I think Carcajada had a right to mention it in discussion but if no one is informed about something that is not black and white in scripture (provided they are not participating in the occult...which was not the focus in this discussion), then we should all admit it and whichever decision we personally make should be respected. Again, it's regarding issues in scripture that are not ...what's the word...varied and cut and dry.
@Guitarhero
My post listed above was not about anyone at all. I was talking about how the enemy lies and deceives. He tries to use these tricks on all of us. I was not thinking about a particular person when I wrote that post. Also, you did not come to the rescue when she used the words ignorant and dumb in this thread but you want to correct me when my post on about the deceiver not a person.
You wont find any scripture where God approves of hypnosis. God never told us to lend, rend, or temporarily give up control of our hearts and minds to anything but Him through Jesus Christ and His Word.
If your church approves of something that is against God, then your church is in deception. I will not take man's word over God's. Not there...I am also concerned with the lack of scriptural knowledge.
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moonglowdiva
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This is very dangerous. I believe it is demonic. Why? Because we living in the physical realm but there is an unseen spiritual realm where demon do operate. I've never read in scripture or heard while listening to the AV on my MP3 this. Therefore, I would not go there but every person is going to do what she he deem is fitting. I would call this type thing spiritual adultry. Be careful. Seek God and Scripture first before doing anything. If you need enlightenment listen to the Word.
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Guitarhero
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@Guitarhero
My post listed above was not about anyone at all. I was talking about how the enemy lies and deceives. He tries to use these tricks on all of us. I was not thinking about a particular person when I wrote that post. Also, you did not come to the rescue when she used the words ignorant and dumb in this thread but you want to correct me when my post on about the deceiver not a person.
You wont find any scripture where God approves of hypnosis. God never told us to lend, rend, or temporarily give up control of our hearts and minds to anything but Him through Jesus Christ and His Word.
If your church approves of something that is against God, then your church is in deception. I will not take man's word over God's. Not there...I am also concerned with the lack of scriptural knowledge.
Neither will you find the opposite. The bible is silent. As for charmers and what not, well, this isn't what therapeutic hypnosis is about at all. Knowledge...that's the key to understanding. Anyone can be informed. Whether they wish to believe in something or practice it is a whole other story. My church is not deceived and in the end of time, all will come to greater understanding about that which they previously condemned and I'm not referring to hypnosis in this instance. In due time.
Rainbow Dash
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You go ahead and believe that God approves of hypnosis. He has given us His word and He has told us what to do with our minds and hearts. He is our peace. He did not say get peace of mind through anything but Christ. Now there you go, it is in the Word. It is to belong to him and nothing else. If your organization is opposed to God's Word then yep they are in opposition to God.
1 Peter 1:13 (NIV) reads, "Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed."
He will keep them in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on Him...
Let the peace of God rule in your hearts...
Have the mind of Christ...
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus.
The peace of God, which surpasses all understanding shall guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Cast down every imagination and thing that would exalt itself against the knowledge of Christ...
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Guitarhero
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^^^You worry about your OWN salvation...thank you very kindly. Don't think people are beneath you in understanding scripture. I'm out, like Carcajada.
Rainbow Dash
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You are not beneath me. I need Jesus like everyone else. Am I your enemy because I tell you the truth?
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