Salon stylists speak "we hate wash and gos!"

kupenda · May 3, 2013

Refused to watch the video. But my Wash N Go's are always perfect. Blends my textures together. No gel cuz I'm not concerned with definition. Cowash, leave in, a lil oil/butter in my wack patch and I'm good. Ten minutes. I am type 4 all the way. I am not chasing defined curls. And I'm not about to be lumped into a group of supposed self loathing, angry, delusional naturals with no respect for the craft of the stylist. You guys style my hair. Period. You dont wake up with me to smooshed hair. You don't create my twistouts. You don't seal my ends with me during my lunch break. You don't stand in the aisle in target with the "wtf" face with me while I search for a quick product my hair doesnt hate. You dont know how my hair feels when it needs protein AND moisture, not one or the other. You just style it. Im the momma. You're the babysitter. Don't tell me how to raise my child

cami88 · May 3, 2013

Unfortunately, the wash and go does not work for me. I will end up with a matted mess of knotted hair.

My Friend · May 3, 2013

They should request that video be removed. It seems as though it's doing more harm than good.

empressri · May 3, 2013

My Friend said:
They should request that video be removed. It seems as though it's doing more harm than good.

why?? i say leave it up so folks know just what it is they're dealing with. maybe it will make them think twice.

JaneBond007 · May 3, 2013

Half the problem is that people still do not comprehend that afro hair is, in fact, curly hair. It's not "other." And if someone shingled the strands, like Ouidad does for all her clients of all races, it's not attempting to get the "better hair look." It's a styling technique to tame frizz. White women with straightish hair DO get frizz...and this is why they use styling agents and a blow dryer to tame them. I don't know for the life of me why people don't apply these basic hairstyling and HUMAN principles to Black people.

It's ridiculous and stupid to assume that, for example, white people are going to wash and not comb their hair and then go to work and look presentable.

Shadiyah · May 3, 2013

naturalmanenyc said:
I'm not at all shocked at the yelp reviews. http://www.yelp.com/biz/revolution-ego-charlotte

Revolution Ego
3 reviews
Category: Hair Salons [Edit]
2000 S Blvd
Ste 120
Charlotte, NC 28203
Neighborhoods: South End, Dilworth

3 reviews in English
Review from Teresa J.
Greer, SC
7/15/2012 First to Review
This is the very best salon I have ever used. Love, love, love the vibe. These three beautiful professional stylists really know their stuff! I drive 160 miles round trip just to go here. There is none of craziness of other salons (ie: appointment at one time and having to wait an hour or two before the stylist actually starts). Oh no, when they give you an appointment, that is your appointment time. I have actually shown up 10 minutes earlier and was told to proceed to the chair. Love the Internet access and the use of iPads while under the dryer. I also like being able to book appointments online.

Jessica is my stylist. She is a colorist extraordinaire! Everywhere I go, people want to know where did I get my color. No matter if I can't exactly communicate effectively what I want, Jessica listens and pulls it all together! The best thing about the color Jessica uses is that my hair is never, ever dried out from the color. I have never had color that leaves my hair in better condition than it was when I went into the salon.

If you are a curly(actually more kinky than curly) girl like me, or if you want locks started or maintained, then I suggest you call the women at Revoluion Ego! They really know natural hair.

Review from Nicole L.
4/25/2013
Waste of money and time. The consultation was useless. She never even touched my hair but instead just asked "what do you want to do'. Consultation lasted about 3 minutes. Not acceptable when I took my time out to be there. Went for my appointment after being told my style would last at least 2 weeks. The stylist didn't wash my hair good enough, then acted like she didn't want to use any product. I realize natural products are expensive but I am paying top dollar. My style lasted 2 days, and no I didn't sweat it out. In fact I was sick so didn't even leave the house. Also, it wouldn't hurt for these ladies to smile at some point.

Review from L J.
Charlotte, NC
9/11/2012
I had initially booked an appointment online for color. The stylist notified me that this service did not include a style and asked if I wanted one. I said yes.

Days later, I needed to reschedule my appointment. Unable to find one time slot to accommodate both color and style, I book the color online and then email the stylist requesting that I get both services.

The day of, as she finishes rinsing me and I go back to the chair, I specify what type of style I want, to which she responds, "Well you're not getting any style because you didn't request it and my next client will be here shortly."

I mention the email and she said that she responded that I needed to continue looking until I find a time slot. We debate for a few, but I eventually give up and leave with wet hair.

I sent a follow up email, explaining that there was obviously a mix up, but right or wrong, she should have tried to accommodate me. Perhaps I could have waited while she prepped her other client? Or one of the other stylists could have taken care of me? I told her that I would not be returning.

She responds that "I'm very direct and jovial; saying 'you're not getting any style' was intended as a joke so I'm very sorry it didn't come across that way and that you felt rushed out of the salon." But I don't get how it's a joke if you still made me leave. And what bothered me most is that she made no attempts to win me back as a client.

In all, she just handled the situation poorly. It's a shame because she's a pretty good stylist.

In what world of business would you let a customer leave unhappy and especially leave with wet hair. unless it was a wash n go lol

Uniqzoe · May 3, 2013

I watched both videos and while I probably shouldn't be, I was actually surprised at the their attitude towards naturals, especially being a natural salon. I am proponent of great stylist and have met and work with some awesome stylist who speak our language and help women take their hair journey even further.

Jessica (FreeLove) stated that they are all about love and loving their clients and having fun. While I don't doubt that, as someone who doesn't know them, I had a hard time feeling the love. For me the videos didn't come across as fun but more like we were being made "fun of" which is totally different. I agree that many women (outside of LHCF) don't know what to do with their hair and may follow bad advice or advice that doesn't work for them that they found on the internet but to make them feel like they are stupid for doing so in not helpful, even if it is done in the name of education.

In any case its not cool to berate the ladies for their appearance and weight. We can disagree without being disagreeable...(wait is my mother in here). :look:

APrayer4Hair · May 3, 2013

Uniqzoe said:
I watched both videos and while I probably shouldn't be, I was actually surprised at the their attitude towards naturals, especially being a natural salon. I am proponent of great stylist and have met and work with some awesome stylist who speak our language and help women take their hair journey even further.

Jessica (FreeLove) stated that they are all about love and loving their clients and having fun. While I don't doubt that, as someone who doesn't know them, I had a hard time feeling the love. For me the videos didn't come across as fun but more like we were being made "fun of" which is totally different. I agree that many women (outside of LHCF) don't know what to do with their hair and may follow bad advice or advice that doesn't work for them that they found on the internet but to make them feel like they are stupid for doing so in not helpful, even if it is done in the name of education.

In any case its not cool to berate the ladies for their appearance and weight. We can disagree without being disagreeable...(wait is my mother in here).

Well said!!

Shadiyah · May 3, 2013

cut the crap!!! it was delivered the way it was meant and all aside someone from here tip them off to this thread!!!!!!!!!!

I am sorry I know what I heard and I know the one that is typing us is the one who didn't say a word but the other 2 had plenty to say... like they know best. and it is the truth a lot of women go by what the stylist hair looks like before they let them touch their hair. if you don't want anyone to talk about you maybe you should stay off of youtube because you can ask all of the youtubers on there there is going to be something said to you if you come off wrong and you all were wrong.

Shadiyah · May 3, 2013

koolkittychick said:
Yes, your style was very cute (it looks like the curls i can create with a similar kind of styling), and I saw the video you did on how you achieved it. Based on the actual process, it is not a wash 'n' go. It is a "wash, condition, apply a ton of product, tease the hell out of the hair until curls form, apply more product, wait a looooong time to dry, then go." For me, this leads to dry hair and an itchy, sore scalp (due to product) and tangled mats that are not fixed with oil (my moody hair does not like oil; it prefers a select few water-based moisturizers ) You are lucky in that wash 'n' goes work for you. But for the women it does not work for (in that it damages their hair), it is a losing proposition for them to keep doing it. That is what the stylists were saying, albeit in a somewhat snarky way.

And you still did not negate the statement I made about how women want their "wash 'n' goes" to look. A real wash 'n' go for me is an Afto, and I am guessing that is the same for you as well. What you or I do to get your curls to pop is not a "wash 'n' go"--it is only that for women who have type 3 hair. If people want to slap a "good hair, bad hair" connotation on it, it's because they chose to misname that styling technique for type 4 hair. The term "shingling," coined by one of the curly hair care companies (I forget the name), attempts to resolve this, but it is yet another styling technique to achieve the same look, defined curly hair. Maybe if we were all not so hung up on curls, there wouldn't be so much conflicts or hangups about what people are trying to imply versus what they said, but I don't know.

koolkittychick are you serious?????? do you even know what a wash n go is???? a wash n go is mostly co washing your hair and you applying your product and letting your hair do what it do.

what do you think a wash n go is????? yes you apply your leave in you applying your styling product after you seal your ends with a oil or butter. no ones wash n go their hair off of shampoo??? so why would you say those things to her???

Shadiyah · May 3, 2013

i have to get out of this thread now because this is getting ridiculous

FreeLove · May 4, 2013

Just wanted to drop back in and humbly thank you all once again. Several people have called and booked consultations due to running across this message board. Emails have come in inquiring about services citing this forum. Our followers have increased on every social platform in just one day! Coincidence perhaps, but I've gotta give credit where it's due. Thank you! Love, Light, & Positivity will always prosper.

We are a team, a family, sisters, who built Revolution Ego together. We operate as one unit. Very different from most salons, stylists, small businesses and apparently different from most women of color. No one "sent" me anywhere lol!

Here's our PERSONAL contact info once again. Amanda will be working on our next video soon, all constructive criticism and suggestions on RE's end have been duly noted. Thank you so much!

*MOD EDIT FOR SPAM/ADS*

Peace Queens.
"You cannot love the queen in yourself but loathe the queen in your sister. Her Queendom will not cause yours to crumble. Love each other." -Alex Elle

Trini_Chutney · May 4, 2013

Tamrin · May 4, 2013

erplexed Thanks but no thanks. It is against the rules here to advertise your business without a vendors account.

Im a little perplexed as to why you feel the need to let us know your business increased since you got here. Since you are new look at the members here and see there progress and the length of their hair. You made a video showing sarcasm and ignorance towards others and expected us to give positive reviews. You say your business is great and you provide professional service, well start by taking down the video. You can start by how you present yourself to your targeted audience.

I don't know anyone in their right frame of mind who would book with you after what we have all seen. Instead of coming here and looking to e-fight members over their opinions, do a little research here and you will find a wealth of info that could help you better your business, practice and attitude wise.

Fenaxa · May 4, 2013

This natural salon sounds like a good idea if the people behind it were actually cordial and genuine..
"Revolution EGO is about freedom to be who you are and love yourself.
We help you create and define your own standard of beauty.
We inspire and nurture, one head at a time."
That quote, taken from your website sounds nice and all, but you all obviously don't go for "complete freedom" if you are 100% against something like a wash and go, just because of hair type and false notions of how it's going to "break and damage hair" when there is a great deal of documented evidence against such claims. Some people can do wash and goes, some can't, and there are various reasons- nothing having anything to do with texture- why.
You go about talking about all this love and whatnot when all your posts have been passive aggressive on top of being in some video where you act like you're in a high school clique.
And for the record, no one is trying to shoo away your potential clients (I saw how you tried to just throw out there how much more popular you guys have gotten after all this)... We're all just basically saying that your video makes you all look unprofessional, rude and untrustworthy. Whatever business you get as a result of your clownish displays is just fine.
Also.. Something else to take into account in your next video.. Tell whoever was sitting in the middle with the fashionable dental office style lead apron (gotta stay protected from x-rays), to put something other than a courtesy cloth over those thighs. I thought it was a folded napkin (the kind that wraps silverware in restaurants) for the longest time until I realized that it was in fact a prehistoric loincloth. But it's cool though.. The leopard foot and knee coverings that you were wearing kinda goes with that style so it all works out.

Good lunch.. Oops, luck*!

mshoneyfly · May 4, 2013

MileHighDiva said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bQl-pPCmMKA#!

At approximately 3:41/42 in the video they are combing the client's hair on the end root to tip.

They need to buy VictoriaCrystal's ebook on how to comb from the ends up!

These people are sooo lame!!! IDK... Im just annoyed! Also, what was the point of this vid?? I didn't get it. I just thought it was stupid. I didn't even watch all of it.

When I go to a salon (which is quite rare), esp for an intricate style that takes long, I don't really want to hear or do a lot of talking most of the time. They usually have some music on and maybe a tv for the clients.

seemegrow · May 4, 2013

Tamrin said:
erplexed Thanks but no thanks. It is against the rules here to advertise your business without a vendors account.

Im a little perplexed as to why you feel the need to let us know your business increased since you got here. Since you are new look at the members here and see there progress and the length of their hair. You made a video showing sarcasm and ignorance towards others and expected us to give positive reviews. You say your business is great and you provide professional service, well start by taking down the video. You can start by how you present yourself to your targeted audience.

I don't know anyone in their right frame of mind who would book with you after what we have all seen. Instead of coming here and looking to e-fight members over their opinions, do a little research here and you will find a wealth of info that could help you better your business practice and attitude

^^^^^^^This!^^^^^^^^

glamazon386 · May 4, 2013

naturalmanenyc said:
I didn't watch the videos yet but my Wash & Go last week was FAB-U-LOUS!

I got tons of compliments from naturals, relaxed, Black women, White women and 1 Hispanic woman. I raked the product through using my fingers like a comb, although I did not comb through my hair. A natural hair stylist demonstrated the technique at a hair expo last month in Brooklyn.

Given the comment in this thread, I don't see their natural hair salon doing well with their attitude.

ETA: Okay, WTH? Wash & Go's do not take a ton of product and a Wash & Go style in and of itself does not cause dryness. What in the heck are they even talking about?

Okay, I can't even take them seriously. They are acting like relaxed hair doesn't tangle? Honestly, there is no way I'd take hair advice from a woman with a bald fade.

And what is with the consultation video. Was it suppose to be funny? I didn't find it funny at all with the barbecue sauce and paprika references.

I don't wash and go often but this is how I've always done mine. I wash, condition and then rake the product through with my fingers. No combing necessary.

Meemee6223 · May 4, 2013

I don't do wash and goes but I too feel the video likely did the opposite of what was intended. It makes me feel like they would talk about me behind my back after I left.

My biggest problem is some of the responses on this forum. Some of you sound like bullies. The fat jokes are so out of line. We have so many beautiful women of all sizes on this forum. You need to realize that by saying these rude things about the women on this video you not only insult them but also others their size who may or may not be reading. Most people have someone overweight in their family and for me it insults them. It's uncalled for because the topic is hair. Let's try not to sink to their level please, and thank you.

Goombay_Summer · May 4, 2013

I will state that I'm surprised that FreeLove frankly had the time to return to this thread, I for one greatly appreciate the update so quickly especially, in light of how her salon has been inundated with new clients.

natura87 · May 4, 2013

FreeLove said:
This mob mentality here is baffling! I've never seen it used like this, it's so sad. You'd rather attack and be disrespectful instead of evolving and growing. We've read and considered every relevant word to make better videos with Amanda in the future. I get the impression most of you could not care less though. I can't be a part of a group of such closed minds. Thanks for the feedback! Peace.

You sound...unstable....

Ogoma · May 4, 2013

hanna_light said:
I will state that I'm surprised that FreeLove frankly had the time to return to this thread, I for one greatly appreciate the update so quickly especially, in light of how her salon has been inundated with new clients.

Yeah, totally did not buy any of that. There are not that many idiots in the world.

Honi · May 4, 2013

FreeLove said:
Just wanted to drop back in and humbly thank you all once again. Several people have called and booked consultations due to running across this message board. Emails have come in inquiring about services citing this forum. Our followers have increased on every social platform in just one day! Coincidence perhaps, but I've gotta give credit where it's due. Thank you! Love, Light, & Positivity will always prosper.

We are a team, a family, sisters, who built Revolution Ego together. We operate as one unit. Very different from most salons, stylists, small businesses and apparently different from most women of color. No one "sent" me anywhere lol!

Here's our PERSONAL contact info once again. Amanda will be working on our next video soon, all constructive criticism and suggestions on RE's end have been duly noted. Thank you so much!

*MOD EDIT FOR SPAM/ADS*

Peace Queens.
"You cannot love the queen in yourself but loathe the queen in your sister. Her Queendom will not cause yours to crumble. Love each other." -Alex Elle

Congrats! I for one will love to hear a review from each of them so please ask them to post.

As I said before, the online hair community will always have a pulse on what's doing, what's hot, what's not and what's to come. WE have been doing this a long time and you are so welcome to benefit from "us" :yep:

kandake · May 4, 2013

Ogoma said:
Yeah, totally did not buy any of that. There are not that many idiots in the world.

Nah, I believe it. As crazy as it sounds I do believe that people looked up the salon and made appointments. Any press is good press these days. I kinda wish that the OP didn't post it at all. They don't deserve the attention and exposure.

And to disable the comments on Youtube and then try to come over here and pull rank. WTF. You can't come over here and silence us. It's the most asinine thing of seen in a while. If they didn't want negative feedback they shouldn't have posted the video. Case closed.

LexiDior · May 4, 2013

After following this thread for a couple of days now all I have to say is wow. If something doeant work for you its ok, as a stylist you learn to deal with it because its your job. They shouldnt group all WNGs together either.

This is a dead horse.

PJaye · May 4, 2013

FreeLove said:
Just wanted to drop back in and humbly thank you all once again. Several people have called and booked consultations due to running across this message board. Emails have come in inquiring about services citing this forum. Our followers have increased on every social platform in just one day! Coincidence perhaps, but I've gotta give credit where it's due. Thank you! Love, Light, & Positivity will always prosper.

We are a team, a family, sisters, who built Revolution Ego together. We operate as one unit. Very different from most salons, stylists, small businesses and apparently different from most women of color. No one "sent" me anywhere lol!

Here's our PERSONAL contact info once again. Amanda will be working on our next video soon, all constructive criticism and suggestions on RE's end have been duly noted. Thank you so much!

*MOD EDIT FOR SPAM/ADS*

Peace Queens.
"You cannot love the queen in yourself but loathe the queen in your sister. Her Queendom will not cause yours to crumble. Love each other." -Alex Elle

The bolded was wholly unnecessary...and very telling.

BostonMaria · May 4, 2013

PJaye said:
The bolded was wholly unnecessary...and very telling.

It was mostly strange LOL (sorry it was)

Sent from my iPhone using LHCF

ETA: After all that mess I end up knowing @FreeLove! LOL :lachen:

Yes do remember your screen name. I used to be on NaturallyCurly for a few years but I mostly stay here now. I was too much of a PJ over there. Most of the old heads are gone and I don't know anyone over there anymore.

ckisland · May 4, 2013

Ya'll had me all riled up and ready to be mad when I watched the wash n'go video :lachen:

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The video was totally unprofessional, and I would never let someone with no hair do mine (nothing personal but just a general principle I have), but I got what they were trying to convey. The obnoxious laughter and clapping didn't help when addressing a topic that many naturals seem to have strong feelings about. I've noticed both on this board and the other forum, that opinions have changed drastically on wash n'go.
It used to be:
if your a type 4 or don't have visible curls, stop trying to wear your hair in a way it wasn't meant to be worn
wash n'gos aren't the best style for kinky hair (which does seem to be generally true for most type 4s)
you don't have to be able to wear a wash n'go
don't ask about products to increase definition and decrease shrinkage (both things that make wng's a less painful process)

I remember newbies would start threads asking for help with doing a wash n'go only to get jumped on for not excepting that their hair wasn't meant to do that. I felt like a loner for a long time on forums because I wngs were my primary style, and I had no issue trying to help someone out :lol:

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Also they didn't say that no one could do a wash n'go, but if your hair tangles easily and is kinky, then you probably shouldn't. People give that advice on this board and it's not a good hair/bad hair thing. It's a "wash n'gos tend to tangle more than other styles, and kinky hair is more fragile, more prone to dryness, has more shrinkage and is more likely to break so protective/stretched styles would be better for hair health" kind of thing :look:

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Nice & Wavy · May 5, 2013

veesweets said:
What might be happening is that the people who are coming to their salon really don't know what they are doing. There is a ton of info out there but not all women take advantage of it and truly do their research. They throw together random bits of info and think that's how it works. So maybe these stylists are only working with uneducated naturals who are doing things wrong so they assume that's the norm? I'm really hoping that's what's going on here otherwise I need them to have a seat.

What I think is happening is that these (the stylists in the video) 'Natural Stylists' don't really like doing "natural hair" but are doing it because they know that is where the "money" is now...and I think its sad :nono:

. If the stylist don't like what they are doing with natural hair, they need to stop doing it. :yep:

With all the information on the internet for 'naturals', there shouldn't be any such thing as an 'uneducated natural.'

Personally, I don't do wash and go's and I am 3b/3c. The ends of my hair gets tangled like nobody's business, so unless its twists/twistsouts, its up in bun or rollerset... :yep:

. However, I would never tell those that do that they shouldn't do it...to each his/her own.

itsjusthair88 · May 5, 2013

Okay, so after coming across all of this negative feedback on this thread, you got MORE clients? Oh ok...my mama didn't raise no fool and you ma'am, are a fibber.

There, I said it. Cut it out, you don't know us, nor do you owe us anything. I would be using my time to better my skills as a stylist and a businesswoman, rather than e-arguing with women on a hair board.

Just my 2 cents.

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