The orginal Fine hair thread 2013

tinkat · Jun 20, 2013

coolsista-paris said:
I hate spending hours doing hair. For this reason i havent been doing dc after wash . I usually pre dc with apoghee 2 min. My hair feels good.with it on.

I will wash again tomorrow (usually its every 2 weeks...i did it.last.week but i want to try this).
Ill pre dc+ clarify + moisture dc with dryer...final rinse with apple cider vinegar. Towel dry + serum on damp hair+ cornrows and BACK TO WIGS!!!

if i find it takes tooo long i might erase the dc after shampoo . It just seems so.long and à pain to hop in and out of the tub .

I want things that are simple.

It is a long process but worth it. I wouldn't skip the dc after a protein treatment and clarifying.

Wait, be positive, keep believing, and all will surely be yours. Sent from my iPhone using LHCF

Ari8 · Jun 20, 2013

Ok, so I've followed this thread from the beginning and I've noticed that most here seem to use protein. I currently have Giovanni Nutrafix Reconstructor in my hair as a leave-in (it's barely a protein conditioner, IMO - it's leaving my hair overmoisturized).

What are good protein conditioners that contain hydrolyzed proteins? No cones, mineral oil, etc. (so Aphogee 2-step is out of the picture).

Thanks in advance.

FelaShrine · Jun 20, 2013

^Redken Extra Strength Builder Plus?

mshoneyfly · Jun 20, 2013

Nonie said:
DarkJoy, I know, right?

MsHoneyFly how does it taste? C'mon now, don't front. You know you tasted it coz it looks like Key Lime Pie filling. You can come clean. We are all family here. Many have confessed to tasting nice smelling hair products so your secret will be safe with us.

So... how did it taste? :bouncegre

Nonie
Lol!!! I didnt do it but my DD did!
She's so silly!

Thats an 18year old for ya!

mshoneyfly · Jun 20, 2013

KiWiStyle said:
That "recipe" looks yummy! I might have to try this!

Sent from my iPhone using LHCF

KiWiStyle
Let me know how you like it! I searched a couple YT vids for guidance using just "mango butter"

laylaaa · Jun 20, 2013

Ari8 said:
Ok, so I've followed this thread from the beginning and I've noticed that most here seem to use protein. I currently have Giovanni Nutrafix Reconstructor in my hair as a leave-in (it's barely a protein conditioner, IMO - it's leaving my hair overmoisturized).

What are good protein conditioners that contain hydrolyzed proteins? No cones, mineral oil, etc. (so Aphogee 2-step is out of the picture).

Thanks in advance.

Aubrey's Organics GBP conditioner (weekly) and Curl Junkie's Repair Me (fortnightly). Both are 'cone and petrolatum free. AFAIK, AOGBP contains vegetable proteins whilst Curl Junkie contains hydrolyzed keratin protein.

hth

mshoneyfly · Jun 20, 2013

coolsista-paris said:
I hate spending hours doing hair. For this reason i havent been doing dc after wash . I usually pre dc with apoghee 2 min. My hair feels good.with it on.

I will wash again tomorrow (usually its every 2 weeks...i did it.last.week but i want to try this).
Ill pre dc+ clarify + moisture dc with dryer...final rinse with apple cider vinegar. Towel dry + serum on damp hair+ cornrows and BACK TO WIGS!!!

if i find it takes tooo long i might erase the dc after shampoo . It just seems so.long and à pain to hop in and out of the tub .

I want things that are simple.

coolsista-paris
If you want to save time and keep a good protein/moisture balance, you could put the aphogee (protein) then your moisture dc on top and sit under the dryer. OR you could mix the two in a bowl or bottle and put them on at the same time.

I dont understand why you clarify after the aphogee. Doesnt this make your hair hard? It seems like you are removing the effects of the aphogee? Sometimes, i will dc on dry hair with oil and dc before washing with mild poo then condition with a rinse out for a few minutes after the dc. OR I just cowash the dc out with a rinse out when I want to skip the poo. Either way, you only get in the shower one time.

Your final rinse with ACV sounds fine but is the serum water based?? As far as I know, they usually are not. What kind of moisturizer do you leave in? It should be something with water as the first ingredient. Then you could follow with the serum to seal.

apemay1969 · Jun 20, 2013

I wonder if the only reason my hair appears this is because most of my hairs break off. This may seem like common sense to y'all but my mama said common sense ain't common. That purple bss comb ain't helping things either. Just LAZY.

If you look closely, you can see a shadow closer to my head. I was snipping a bit trying not to cry over my heat damage and be grateful for my edges coming back. See the little nap balls. Yay! My laziness over winter took its toll. Btw, lace fronts are the devil. That ain't even lace.

Anyway. So my goal is to try to retain and not do much speed up growth. . I want to cut again. Chop all that scraggly mess and get some Senegalese twists but it is so disheartening to do all that and from one lazy couple weeks, I gotta lose progress everywhere else on my head to not look like Bozo. *sigh I'm on the LHCF short bus. I'm sticking with the challenge cause the back isn't bad.

I'm getting there. The rubber bands on my fingers represent water bottles. Every time I refill, I remove one. I hate rubber bands.

Nonie · Jun 20, 2013

mshoneyfly said:
Nonie
Lol!!! I didnt do it but my DD did!
She's so silly! Thats an 18year old for ya!

and how did it taste? Can you ask her mshoneyfly? Inquiring minds want to know if it'd make a good spread on toast. :sekret:

My friend's friend is asking.

BTW, just between you and me, I think within this LHCF fam, product tasting has happened among folk above the age of 18. :look:

But I ain't one to gossip, so you ain't heard nuffin from me; no you haven't. #msbenita #inlivingcolor

PJaye · Jun 20, 2013

Ari8 said:
Ok, so I've followed this thread from the beginning and I've noticed that most here seem to use protein. I currently have Giovanni Nutrafix Reconstructor in my hair as a leave-in (it's barely a protein conditioner, IMO - it's leaving my hair overmoisturized).

What are good protein conditioners that contain hydrolyzed proteins? No cones, mineral oil, etc. (so Aphogee 2-step is out of the picture).

Thanks in advance.

Ari8

Two of my favorites are:

Mill Creek Biotin Conditioner
Deionized Water, Biotin, Panthenol, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Hydrolyzed Collagen, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Dicetyldimonium Chloride, Oleamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceteareth-20, Hydrolyzed Glycosaminoglycans, Vitamin A, Citric Acid, Corn Oil, Sodium Chloride, Quaternium-15, Peppermint Oil, Certified Organic Aloe Vera Gel, Organic Essential Oil, Citric Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Botanical Fragrance

Shescentit Okra Hair Repair Reconstructor
Water, Aloe Vera Leaf Juice, Cetearyl Alcohol, Okra Extract, BTMS, Panthenol, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Wheat Amino Acids, Hemp Seed Oil, Wheat Germ Oil, Calendula, Sunflower Extract, Sea Kelp Extract, Marshmallow, Glycerin, Rice Protein, Fragrance, Optiphen, Xanthan Gum, Citric Acid

They both provide an incredible amount of slip.

JustGROWwithIt · Jun 21, 2013

mshoneyfly said:
Okay... So now that I know I am high porosity I am going to start sealing with a heavier product. I just whipped up a nice mango butter mix that I think Im gonna like!! Its so smooth and creamy and fluffy. I didn't use a hand mixer or blender

Here is a couple pics

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I used aloe vera gel, lemongrass eo, vitamin e oil and cocoveda oil. I am thinking of getting a handmixer for my DIY

Hi doll,
Can you post your recipe please? :grin:

Looks delicious!

apemay1969 · Jun 21, 2013

Too whiny for myself so I deleted.

karenjoe · Jun 21, 2013

Ari8 said:
Ok, so I've followed this thread from the beginning and I've noticed that most here seem to use protein. I currently have Giovanni Nutrafix Reconstructor in my hair as a leave-in (it's barely a protein conditioner, IMO - it's leaving my hair overmoisturized).

What are good protein conditioners that contain hydrolyzed proteins? No cones, mineral oil, etc. (so Aphogee 2-step is out of the picture).

Thanks in advance.

bonacure hair treatment
Polymedic.... emergency reconstructor.... $$$$$

better than messy stinky aphogee

mshoneyfly · Jun 21, 2013

Ari8 said:
Ok, so I've followed this thread from the beginning and I've noticed that most here seem to use protein. I currently have Giovanni Nutrafix Reconstructor in my hair as a leave-in (it's barely a protein conditioner, IMO - it's leaving my hair overmoisturized).

What are good protein conditioners that contain hydrolyzed proteins? No cones, mineral oil, etc. (so Aphogee 2-step is out of the picture).

Thanks in advance.

Nubian heritage masque (2)
Shea Moisture
Mill Creek Keratin

mshoneyfly · Jun 21, 2013

apemay1969 said:
Too whiny for myself so I deleted.

I just used this poo last wash. I like it. It left my hair soft and moist. Ive only used the milk on dry hair. It was a little too oily. Im gonna try it on wet hair after dc

JustGROWwithIt
Here is my recipe:

8 oz organic mango butter
abt 2 tbsp AVGel
abt 1 tbsp Cocoveda oil
5 drops lemongrass
abt 3 tbsp vitamin E oil

I melted the butter slowly in a double boiler, added the ingredients and started whipping. Then put in the freezer for a few mins to help solidify. Continue whipping faster to get it fluffy. The air from a fast whip is what makes it fluffy.

Since I was doing it by hand, the aloe tried to separate from the oil so I put a little Yes to Carrots conditioner in to bind the oils and water

JustGROWwithIt · Jun 21, 2013

mshoneyfly
Thanks! I will try this once I run out of my current hair butter. Do you think whipping it in my standing mixer will work?

coolsista-paris · Jun 21, 2013

MileHighDiva
KiWiStyle
DarkJoy

I bought the machine and the mixer on a frech website. this website is the BOMB .all oils, powders, materials even to make your own make up. containers Name it all it on there.

http://www.aroma-zone.com/aroma/accessoire_fra.asp

its the "Bol chauffant cosmétique"
and the "Batteur-Mousseur à piles"

coolsista-paris · Jun 21, 2013

apemay1969 said:
I wonder if the only reason my hair appears this is because most of my hairs break off. This may seem like common sense to y'all but my mama said common sense ain't common. That purple bss comb ain't helping things either. Just LAZY.

View attachment 213901

If you look closely, you can see a shadow closer to my head. I was snipping a bit trying not to cry over my heat damage and be grateful for my edges coming back. See the little nap balls. Yay! My laziness over winter took its toll. Btw, lace fronts are the devil. That ain't even lace.

Anyway. So my goal is to try to retain and not do much speed up growth. . I want to cut again. Chop all that scraggly mess and get some Senegalese twists but it is so disheartening to do all that and from one lazy couple weeks, I gotta lose progress everywhere else on my head to not look like Bozo. *sigh I'm on the LHCF short bus. I'm sticking with the challenge cause the back isn't bad.

View attachment 213907

I'm getting there. The rubber bands on my fingers represent water bottles. Every time I refill, I remove one. I hate rubber bands.

Concerning lace fronts, maybe you need to wear them differently. I lost part of my hairline because of lace front. Ive hear that i should oil the hairline, massage it when im not wearing it, and put a satin scarf and expecially not cornrow backwards.

So, im gonna try it again from sunday and see. I will retain more by leaving the hair alone.

coolsista-paris · Jun 21, 2013

mshoneyfly said:
@coolsista-paris
If you want to save time and keep a good protein/moisture balance, you could put the aphogee (protein) then your moisture dc on top and sit under the dryer. OR you could mix the two in a bowl or bottle and put them on at the same time.

I dont understand why you clarify after the aphogee. Doesnt this make your hair hard? It seems like you are removing the effects of the aphogee? Sometimes, i will dc on dry hair with oil and dc before washing with mild poo then condition with a rinse out for a few minutes after the dc. OR I just cowash the dc out with a rinse out when I want to skip the poo. Either way, you only get in the shower one time.

Your final rinse with ACV sounds fine but is the serum water based?? As far as I know, they usually are not. What kind of moisturizer do you leave in? It should be something with water as the first ingredient. Then you could follow with the serum to seal.

Ive always asked myslef if dc before shampoo works as much as dc after shampoo. Ont the internet you find all answers, so i really dont know.

Clarifying after apoghee doesnt make my hair hard (its the 2 min apoghee).

I will try this tomorrow:
-Dc with oil before poo
-then jump in the shower to shampoo
-towel dry and add dc +sit under dryer
-then re-jump in tub, rinse + final rinse with apple cider vinegar
-I will then shirt dry and add serum (it keeps my hair so soft and keeps moisture in) its serum without water. I might try adding a tiny bit of liquid kearacare,then seal with serum.
:look:

What do you think about my program?

MileHighDiva · Jun 21, 2013

coolsista-paris said:
MileHighDiva
KiWiStyle
DarkJoy

I bought the machine and the mixer on a frech website. this website is the BOMB .all oils, powders, materials even to make your own make up. containers Name it all it on there.

http://www.aroma-zone.com/aroma/accessoire_fra.asp

its the "Bol chauffant cosmétique"
and the "Batteur-Mousseur à piles"

coolsista-paris, Thanks Lady! I found this on Amazon.

Yours looks better! I wonder how much they charge for Intl shipping?

ETA:37.12 Euros/$48.78 USD with shipping for the electric mix-tress machine and aerator. Free shipping to USA with orders over $150.

Nonie · Jun 21, 2013

Sounds fine to me coolsista-paris.

As for DCing before shampooing, if the direction of the treatment say to do so, then your hair benefits from doing that. I follow directions. Aubrey's GPB says that is how it should be used when DCing. Emergencée is used after shampooing but you're supposed to shampoo after using it. I don't think the product directions would suggest shampooing after if it was going to interfere with the treatment or undo it.

coolsista-paris · Jun 21, 2013

MileHighDiva said:
coolsista-paris, Thanks Lady! I found this on Amazon.

Yours looks better! I wonder how much they charge for Intl shipping?

Oh yeah thé one on amazon was basicaly for food.but its the same function i guess.

Oh 48$ with shipping. Wow :-/

coolsista-paris · Jun 21, 2013

Nonie said:
Sounds fine to me coolsista-paris.

As for DCing before shampooing, if the direction of the treatment say to do so, then your hair benefits from doing that. I follow directions. Aubrey's GPB says that is how it should be used when DCing. Emergencée is used after shampooing but you're supposed to shampoo after using it. I don't think the product directions would suggest shampooing after if it was going to interfere with the treatment or undo it.

Im gonna just pre poo with oils/shea butter. it helps detangle too.

Nonie · Jun 21, 2013

[USER=103105]coolsista-paris[/USER];18602935 said:
Im gonna just pre poo with oils/shea butter. it helps detangle too.

I know this. My paragraph about DCing before shampooing was in response to this statement you made:

coolsista-paris said:
Ive always asked myslef if dc before shampoo works as much as dc after shampoo. Ont the internet you find all answers, so i really dont know.

I assumed you were not talmbout oils but were referring to DC treatments that you buy. So I was saying, as long as you follow the directions for the product in question, then you know you are getting the most from the product.

NefertariBlu · Jun 21, 2013

I have questions
I am fine haired and after reading through this thread l realised that l need to use protein weekly, my hair meshes together really quickly when wearing buns, even on stretched hair. I 'll wear a bun for one day and upon taking it out it will be one big stuck together mass of hair. Even when moisturised :-/

Is there anything l can do to prevent this? Or make the detangling a lot easier?
Also, what is the difference in chelating and clarifying shampoos? My hair hates shampoos. They are soo drying for me. The only shampoo l have been able to use successfully is the shea moisture retentive one. It's a moisturising shampoo.
Use rhassoul clay for washing the majority of the time, then use the shea moisture when l want a good clean. I keep on hearing that clarifying is good to get all the gunk out the hair, but l am not keen on using it. Its just way to drying.

Have tried sls free shampoos and l they do the same thing. Dry my hair out. I think it comes down to sudding, foaming affect of shampoo. Is the clay wash enough to keep hair clean as it's more moisture based.

Killahkurlz · Jun 21, 2013

Bublin said:
Thanks for this thread.
Checking in.

Finger detangling is not quite what it says on the tin. When you have fine hair you have to pull the strands apart individually before you can even think about raking your fingers through it (this I have also recently learned. When ladies on here post about finger detangling they are not being specific in exactly what they mean). My hair is like a spiderweb that is meshed together - cannot rake my hands through that unless it's soaking wet and has a very slippery conditioner. Aussie Moist 3MM is the biz for that.
If you don't have time to detangle then don't do it. Leave it for when you do have time otherwise you will get alot of breakage hacking through the tangles/knots.

When you are viewing YouTube vids look for ones that have Fine Hair in the title. You will fine alot of tips specifically for you.

That's all for now!

Finger detangling entails me pulling stand apart gently as well. I can't just rake my fingers through. I have to actually separate the stands with my fingers.

U really have to practice to c what ur hair can handle when u finger detangle. I learned that even if I make a knot detangling, I can add more product then slip one side right on out and the knot is gone lol. it's like unknotting shoe strings but easier because theres plenty of slip

mshoneyfly · Jun 21, 2013

JustGROWwithIt said:
mshoneyfly
Thanks! I will try this once I run out of my current hair butter. Do you think whipping it in my standing mixer will work?

Sure that should work fine as long as you don't mind the clean up. I don't have one yet so thats why I did by hand. Im gonna look for a cheap hand mixer at walmart or target. Then I can melt it again and whip it some more :yep:

mshoneyfly · Jun 21, 2013

coolsista-paris said:
Ive always asked myslef if dc before shampoo works as much as dc after shampoo. Ont the internet you find all answers, so i really dont know.

Clarifying after apoghee doesnt make my hair hard (its the 2 min apoghee).

I will try this tomorrow:
-Dc with oil before poo
-then jump in the shower to shampoo
-towel dry and add dc +sit under dryer
-then re-jump in tub, rinse + final rinse with apple cider vinegar
-I will then shirt dry and add serum (it keeps my hair so soft and keeps moisture in) its serum without water. I might try adding a tiny bit of liquid kearacare,then seal with serum.

What do you think about my program?

This sounds good. You're still getting your protein and moisture so you should be fine. Good luck!

mshoneyfly · Jun 22, 2013

NefertariBlu said:
I have questions
I am fine haired and after reading through this thread l realised that l need to use protein weekly, my hair meshes together really quickly when wearing buns, even on stretched hair. I 'll wear a bun for one day and upon taking it out it will be one big stuck together mass of hair. Even when moisturised :-/

Is there anything l can do to prevent this? Or make the detangling a lot easier?
Also, what is the difference in chelating and clarifying shampoos? My hair hates shampoos. They are soo drying for me. The only shampoo l have been able to use successfully is the shea moisture retentive one. It's a moisturising shampoo.
Use rhassoul clay for washing the majority of the time, then use the shea moisture when l want a good clean. I keep on hearing that clarifying is good to get all the gunk out the hair, but l am not keen on using it. Its just way to drying.

Have tried sls free shampoos and l they do the same thing. Dry my hair out. I think it comes down to sudding, foaming affect of shampoo. Is the clay wash enough to keep hair clean as it's more moisture based.

NefertariBlu

Your cuticles might be raised due to high porosity hair. Do you do anything to close the cuticle after washing/cowashing?

Chelating poos remove hard water deposits and minerals left behind by chemical treatments. Any sulfate poo can clarify. This is just removing product buildup from oils, conditioners and stuff. I love the SM Retention poo too. Its really moisturizing!

I haven't tried rhassoul clay yet but I read that it clarifies and moisturizes nicely. I love australian pink clay though. You prob dont need a clarifying poo as long as you have rhassoul. I chelate once a month with ORS creamy aloe poo

winona · Jun 22, 2013

Hi Ladies ,
I dont post much as of late because my life has become very busy but if I can get about 5-6 people who would like to purchase from the french site I can send everything out once it arrives for a total of ~25 each.
ETA $25 includes shipping

Originally Posted by coolsista-paris
MileHighDiva
KiWiStyle
DarkJoy

I bought the machine and the mixer on a frech website. this website is the BOMB .all oils, powders, materials even to make your own make up. containers Name it all it on there.

http://www.aroma-zone.com/aroma/accessoire_fra.asp

its the "Bol chauffant cosmétique"
and the "Batteur-Mousseur à piles"

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