blazingthru
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I agree 100% with the bolded quote. I also agree with the highlight in blue. This happens a lot with many different denominations
Thank God.
Is the Devil in Charge of Hell?
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Nice & Wavy
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Thank God that the TRUTH prevails. We must always learn to seek peace and pursue it.
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blazingthru
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I want to mention some things that have been posted that are not what the bible is teaching we always have to use scripture to explain scripture.
The body and the soul being separate, they are not they are one and the same. but let the scriptures speak for themselves.
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Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Revelation 16:3
And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
Ezekiel 18:20
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. if the soul was naturally immortal it could never die. But God says Himself, "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." So on the authority of God's Word, souls do die.
Jesus, the great Master Teacher, declared that the soul could die, in Matthew 10:28. “And fear not them which kill the body ... but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” By this clear statement, Christ places the matter beyond all question. The soul can die and will die in the fires of hell. Therefore, it cannot be immortal by nature.
The Spirit that returns to God when a man dies is the breath of life. The breath (AIR) or spirit of every person who dies whether he's evil or good, returns to God.
Psalm 104:29 (KJV 1900)
29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: Thou takest away their breath, they die, And return to their dust.
Luke 23:46 (KJV 1900)
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Luke 8:49-56
King James Version (KJV)
49 While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master.
50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.
51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden.
52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
53 And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead.
54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise.
55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.
56 And her parents were astonished: but he charged them that they should tell no man what was done.
When she died a few hours before or maybe even a few moments, her spirit, the Bible says, returned to God who gave it, her breath, in other words. Now when Christ came and called her back to life, her breath came forth again when the hand of God touched that body and she got up and walked out.
This belief of the soul never dying comes from Satan he said in Gen 3:4
Genesis 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Revelation 12:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
At death the soul ceases to exist until the combination is made again and the breath of life is put into that body once more in the resurrection. And then the individual will be resurrected and there will be life. Anything that has a body + breath is a soul. That applies to animals, fish, birds, anything that has a body and is alive. You need a body and the breath of life to become a living soul.
1 Timothy 1:17
King James Version (KJV)
17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
I want to discuss the souls under the altar.
Genesis 4:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
Job 14:12-18
12 So man lieth down and riseth not: Till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, Nor be roused out of their sleep.
13 Oh that thou wouldest hide me in Sheol, That thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, That thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
14 If a man die, shall he live again? All the days of my warfare would I wait, Till my release should come.
The body and the soul being separate, they are not they are one and the same. but let the scriptures speak for themselves.
Read: Search..
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Revelation 16:3
And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
Ezekiel 18:20
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. if the soul was naturally immortal it could never die. But God says Himself, "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." So on the authority of God's Word, souls do die.
Jesus, the great Master Teacher, declared that the soul could die, in Matthew 10:28. “And fear not them which kill the body ... but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” By this clear statement, Christ places the matter beyond all question. The soul can die and will die in the fires of hell. Therefore, it cannot be immortal by nature.
The Spirit that returns to God when a man dies is the breath of life. The breath (AIR) or spirit of every person who dies whether he's evil or good, returns to God.
Psalm 104:29 (KJV 1900)
29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: Thou takest away their breath, they die, And return to their dust.
Luke 23:46 (KJV 1900)
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Luke 8:49-56
King James Version (KJV)
49 While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master.
50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.
51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden.
52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
53 And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead.
54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise.
55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.
56 And her parents were astonished: but he charged them that they should tell no man what was done.
When she died a few hours before or maybe even a few moments, her spirit, the Bible says, returned to God who gave it, her breath, in other words. Now when Christ came and called her back to life, her breath came forth again when the hand of God touched that body and she got up and walked out.
This belief of the soul never dying comes from Satan he said in Gen 3:4
Genesis 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Revelation 12:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
At death the soul ceases to exist until the combination is made again and the breath of life is put into that body once more in the resurrection. And then the individual will be resurrected and there will be life. Anything that has a body + breath is a soul. That applies to animals, fish, birds, anything that has a body and is alive. You need a body and the breath of life to become a living soul.
1 Timothy 1:17
King James Version (KJV)
17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
I want to discuss the souls under the altar.
Genesis 4:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
Job 14:12-18
12 So man lieth down and riseth not: Till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, Nor be roused out of their sleep.
13 Oh that thou wouldest hide me in Sheol, That thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, That thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
14 If a man die, shall he live again? All the days of my warfare would I wait, Till my release should come.
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blazingthru
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The souls under the Altar is symbolic. There are no actual souls crying under the altar nor is the altar in heaven. Those Maryts that died during the Church prosecuting power are those that are waiting to be avenged. They are dead in their graves. Revelation 6:9-11
King James Version (KJV)
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Key here is avenge their blood as Abel's blood cried out in Gen 4:3-4. Abel's blood does not literally cry out, but he was righteous and killed for being righteous by someone who was not righteous. What was wrong with Cain's sacrifice? without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. he was disobedient.
1 John 3:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
Hebrews 11:4
King James Version (KJV)
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Leviticus 4:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 And the priest shall put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar of sweet incense before the Lord, which is in the tabernacle of the congregation; and shall pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which is at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
This blood represents the sacrifice of Jesus. The souls under the altar are the blood of the righteous that have been spilled by the unrighteous and that crys out for avengence, but its not literal its symbolic. But note that God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait a little while. These individuals are still in the grave awaiting for the next group that are to be marytered for the same reason by the very same church. God does not actually speak to them. They were killed and remain in their graves.
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Daniel 7:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
This fourth Beast has changed the time and the laws, he spoke great blasphemy against God and heaven, and the saints were persecuted for 1,260 years. A time and times and the dividing of times is 3.5.
Revelation 13
King James Version (KJV)
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. which is 1,260 years.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
These saints are those who were killed during the Dark Ages, Middle Ages or the Church age. This Church was a persecuting power. through the state.
this same church or Beast received the deadly wound and was killed.
Revelation 13:10-18
King James Version (KJV)
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. This beast who lead those into captivity was lead into captivity and was given a deadly wound.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. This is a prophecy that is soon to take place. the wound has healed and this second beast will exercise the power from the first Beast.
This Beast had no more power, not ruling power over the states any longer. Here is the statue of Nebuchadnezzars dream. The legs are made of Iron, Rome was the ruling power in that age and that age was the dark ages. As you can see, Rome is still mixed in with the clay its has not lost all power. The word says to wait a little while. This Beast will rise to power again and prosecute the saints as before. This is the second group that will by martys for Christ and then Jesus will come. not that this is just a group of Maryts this group is as significant as the first group.
Revelation 14:13-20
King James Version (KJV)
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Lets continue to speak about this Beast, who sits on seven hills.
Romans 13
King James Version (KJV)
13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Revelation 2:20-23
King James Version (KJV)
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your work.
who is Jezebel
Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord. she was an evil tyrant and she killed to get whatever she wanted. She worshiped Baal, a Idol and created being. She forced Israel to worship Baal.
2 Kings 9:22-37
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
22 When [a]Joram saw Jehu, he said, “Is it peace, Jehu?” And he answered, “What peace, so long as the harlotries of your mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many?”
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blazingthru
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Revelation 17
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Doom of Babylon
17 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed acts of immorality, and those who dwell on the earth were made drunk with the wine of her immorality.” 3 And he carried me away [a]in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious [c]stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality, 5 and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” 6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the [d]saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered [e]greatly. 7 And the angel said to me, “Why [f]do you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
8 “The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and [g]go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come. 9 Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, 10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11 The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction. 12 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. 13 These have one [h]purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.
Revelation 16:4-21
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
4 Then the third angel poured out his bowl into the rivers and the springs of waters; and they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel of the waters saying, “Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things; 6 for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They [a]deserve it.” 7 And I heard the altar saying, “Yes, O Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments.”
So we now know that this Beast is the Church, a political Church, a Woman in the bible or She is usually refer to as the Church. this is a persecuting Church that has persecuted the saints. the Martyrs blood cried out because they were righteous and their blood needs to be avenged, of course this again is symbolic. in terms of crying out, but not in that it will not happen Revelations 19: 1-2 tells us that yes they were avenged.
Revelation 19:1-2
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Fourfold Hallelujah
19 After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying,
“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God; 2 because His judgments are true and righteous; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and He has avenged the blood of His bond-servants [a]on her.”
This all comes from the saints under the altar, Its not just a simple statement its very important because that one passage leads us to know it will happen again, by the same church. It warns us as to who is going to do it, when it will start and how it will start and all the evidence is being seen every single day, but most people are totally blind to it. Also to add that Altar is not in heaven, this altar is in the court and the court is the earth. There is life in the blood and this life cries out for judgment in its favor. Symbolic. Yet God does require us not to eat the blood in the meat because it has the life in the blood.
Leviticus 17:14
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
14 For the life of all flesh is his blood, it is joined with his life: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no [a]flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it, shall be cut off. Are we not now Spiritual Jews and grafted into the tree.
Revelation 6 does not confirm that saints are in heaven asking for God to avenge them. When we compare scripture we see that Abel's blood cried out the same as the saints under the altar. I also wanted to mention the white robes.
1 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The white robes are the righteousness of Jesus, Matthew 22:11-13. These saints died praising the lord, to all it appears that they lost but they won.
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Doom of Babylon
17 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed acts of immorality, and those who dwell on the earth were made drunk with the wine of her immorality.” 3 And he carried me away [a]in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious [c]stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality, 5 and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” 6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the [d]saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered [e]greatly. 7 And the angel said to me, “Why [f]do you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
8 “The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and [g]go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come. 9 Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, 10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11 The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction. 12 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. 13 These have one [h]purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.
Revelation 16:4-21
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
4 Then the third angel poured out his bowl into the rivers and the springs of waters; and they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel of the waters saying, “Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things; 6 for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They [a]deserve it.” 7 And I heard the altar saying, “Yes, O Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments.”
So we now know that this Beast is the Church, a political Church, a Woman in the bible or She is usually refer to as the Church. this is a persecuting Church that has persecuted the saints. the Martyrs blood cried out because they were righteous and their blood needs to be avenged, of course this again is symbolic. in terms of crying out, but not in that it will not happen Revelations 19: 1-2 tells us that yes they were avenged.
Revelation 19:1-2
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Fourfold Hallelujah
19 After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying,
“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God; 2 because His judgments are true and righteous; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and He has avenged the blood of His bond-servants [a]on her.”
This all comes from the saints under the altar, Its not just a simple statement its very important because that one passage leads us to know it will happen again, by the same church. It warns us as to who is going to do it, when it will start and how it will start and all the evidence is being seen every single day, but most people are totally blind to it. Also to add that Altar is not in heaven, this altar is in the court and the court is the earth. There is life in the blood and this life cries out for judgment in its favor. Symbolic. Yet God does require us not to eat the blood in the meat because it has the life in the blood.
Leviticus 17:14
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
14 For the life of all flesh is his blood, it is joined with his life: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no [a]flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it, shall be cut off. Are we not now Spiritual Jews and grafted into the tree.
Revelation 6 does not confirm that saints are in heaven asking for God to avenge them. When we compare scripture we see that Abel's blood cried out the same as the saints under the altar. I also wanted to mention the white robes.
1 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The white robes are the righteousness of Jesus, Matthew 22:11-13. These saints died praising the lord, to all it appears that they lost but they won.
blazingthru
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Christ, through the Holy Spirit, preached to spirits who were in prison. You and I are spirits, and if we’re not saved we’re imprisoned by the devil, just like Peter was imprisoned and the angel came to set him free.
Isaiah 61:1 (KJV 1900)
61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; Because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to them that are bound.
It has been preached that Jesus actually descended into the lower regions of the earth and preached to lost souls that were in prison in some purgatory or limbo. This doctrine has been somehow extracted from 1 Peter 3:18-20. Let's read it and see what it really teaches. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison: which sometimes were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved."
Let's look at it closely now and get the real message of these verses. It says, "Christ hath once suffered for sin that He might bring us to God being put to death in the flesh. But quickened by the Spirit by which also He went and preached..." First of all notice how Christ preached to those spirits in prison. He did it by the Spirit, and that word is capitalized in your Bible. It actually refers to the Holy Spirit. So whatever Christ did in preaching during this period of time, He did it through or by the Holy Spirit.
With that in view, let's ask this, "When was the preaching done?" The answer is plainly given in verse 20: "when once the longsuffering God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing." So the preaching was actually done while the ark was being built, during the preaching of Noah to that antediluvian world. Now, one more question: "To whom was the preaching done?" The text says here "to the spirits in prison."
Throughout the Bible we find this terminology used in describing those who are bound in the prison house of sin. David prayed "Bring my soul out of prison." Psalms 142:7. Paul spoke of his experience in these words, "bringing me into captivity to the law of sin." What Peter is telling us here is simply that Christ through the Holy Spirit was present while Noah preached; Christ was there through the Holy Spirit to speak conviction to their hearts and appeal to them to come into the ark. There is absolutely nothing here which indicated that Jesus departed from the body during the time He was dead to go to any subterranean place to minister to wicked spirits. The three questions are clearly answered in the text itself, that He preached by the Holy Spirit, He did it while the ark was preparing, and He did it to the spirits in prison or to those individuals whose sinful lives were bound in the prison house of sin. The truth is that Jesus had died and He was in the grave for those three days.
Where was Jesus for the three days between His death and resurrection?
When you understand the context of the 1 Peter 3:18, this answer becomes clear:
“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, (the subject of this reference is the Spirit) by whom (in other words, through the Spirit) He went and preached to the spirits in prison who formerly were disobedient, once in the days of longsuffering they waited in the time of Noah while the ark was being prepared” (1 Peter 3:18.)
Some believe this means that when Jesus died on the cross, He didn’t really die. Rather, He altered His physical state into a spirit, then went down into hell, and preached to the people who lived before the flood that they might have a second chance. This is a very bizarre interpretation.
Isaiah 61:1 indicates that part of the ministry of Christ would be to “proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound.” This text in 1 Peter is simply saying similarly that Christ, through the Holy Spirit, preached to people in Noah’s time who were imprisoned by evil spirits.
You are either filled with God’s spirit, obeying Him, and having His angels guiding and directing us, or if not saved, you are imprisoned by the devil, disobeying God, and are filled with the devil’s spirits. Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, used Noah’s preaching at that time to give the “captives” an opportunity to be set free.
It is interesting that Peter himself was literally imprisoned and an angel, one of God’s ministering spirits, came to set him free. Peter had a literal experience of the spiritual things he was here writing about.
The major part of the work of Christ was to try to save people, even during the time of Noah, through the same Spirit; He tried to save those people whose spirits were imprisoned by the devil. Peter is not talking about how their ghosts were in hell, chained up, or anything of that nature.
The false doctrine that is a result of the twisting of the meaning of 1 Peter 3:18 is devastating in that it teaches that there is a second chance. The Bible says, “It’s appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). No, you can’t die and then while in hell hope that Jesus come preach to you.
Isaiah 61:1 (KJV 1900)
61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; Because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to them that are bound.
It has been preached that Jesus actually descended into the lower regions of the earth and preached to lost souls that were in prison in some purgatory or limbo. This doctrine has been somehow extracted from 1 Peter 3:18-20. Let's read it and see what it really teaches. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison: which sometimes were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved."
Let's look at it closely now and get the real message of these verses. It says, "Christ hath once suffered for sin that He might bring us to God being put to death in the flesh. But quickened by the Spirit by which also He went and preached..." First of all notice how Christ preached to those spirits in prison. He did it by the Spirit, and that word is capitalized in your Bible. It actually refers to the Holy Spirit. So whatever Christ did in preaching during this period of time, He did it through or by the Holy Spirit.
With that in view, let's ask this, "When was the preaching done?" The answer is plainly given in verse 20: "when once the longsuffering God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing." So the preaching was actually done while the ark was being built, during the preaching of Noah to that antediluvian world. Now, one more question: "To whom was the preaching done?" The text says here "to the spirits in prison."
Throughout the Bible we find this terminology used in describing those who are bound in the prison house of sin. David prayed "Bring my soul out of prison." Psalms 142:7. Paul spoke of his experience in these words, "bringing me into captivity to the law of sin." What Peter is telling us here is simply that Christ through the Holy Spirit was present while Noah preached; Christ was there through the Holy Spirit to speak conviction to their hearts and appeal to them to come into the ark. There is absolutely nothing here which indicated that Jesus departed from the body during the time He was dead to go to any subterranean place to minister to wicked spirits. The three questions are clearly answered in the text itself, that He preached by the Holy Spirit, He did it while the ark was preparing, and He did it to the spirits in prison or to those individuals whose sinful lives were bound in the prison house of sin. The truth is that Jesus had died and He was in the grave for those three days.
Where was Jesus for the three days between His death and resurrection?
When you understand the context of the 1 Peter 3:18, this answer becomes clear:
“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, (the subject of this reference is the Spirit) by whom (in other words, through the Spirit) He went and preached to the spirits in prison who formerly were disobedient, once in the days of longsuffering they waited in the time of Noah while the ark was being prepared” (1 Peter 3:18.)
Some believe this means that when Jesus died on the cross, He didn’t really die. Rather, He altered His physical state into a spirit, then went down into hell, and preached to the people who lived before the flood that they might have a second chance. This is a very bizarre interpretation.
Isaiah 61:1 indicates that part of the ministry of Christ would be to “proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound.” This text in 1 Peter is simply saying similarly that Christ, through the Holy Spirit, preached to people in Noah’s time who were imprisoned by evil spirits.
You are either filled with God’s spirit, obeying Him, and having His angels guiding and directing us, or if not saved, you are imprisoned by the devil, disobeying God, and are filled with the devil’s spirits. Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, used Noah’s preaching at that time to give the “captives” an opportunity to be set free.
It is interesting that Peter himself was literally imprisoned and an angel, one of God’s ministering spirits, came to set him free. Peter had a literal experience of the spiritual things he was here writing about.
The major part of the work of Christ was to try to save people, even during the time of Noah, through the same Spirit; He tried to save those people whose spirits were imprisoned by the devil. Peter is not talking about how their ghosts were in hell, chained up, or anything of that nature.
The false doctrine that is a result of the twisting of the meaning of 1 Peter 3:18 is devastating in that it teaches that there is a second chance. The Bible says, “It’s appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). No, you can’t die and then while in hell hope that Jesus come preach to you.
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divya
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Remembered this thread during the discussion about Rob Bell. My heart goes out to him as he is coming to a different understanding of hell than what is generally believed within Christianity. Maybe when he has truly understood the finite nature of hell, he can understand that those who have chosen to live in sin (including the homosexual lifestyle that he has chosen to defend) on this earth will not be tormented to no end. God is just, fair. He has been, is and will always be - LOVE.
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