Cindy Trimm

Shimmie · Dec 31, 2013

Divine. said:
For the record, I don't practice LOA I am just making sure that my actions aren't in line with LOA doctrine.

ETA: Shimmie you just answered my question in your post I read God's Word for what it is, not to fit my own desires and needs.

Thanks Divine... :yep:

I understand what you are sharing. I've simply had it with this LOA being validated by Christians. I've had it! It's satanic nonsense at it's worse!

If we look at the Bible, the Prophets, Disciples, especially Jesus, SPOKE the Word of God, and with great power. That's all they had to do as they were in true fellowship with God.

What's this mess with Christians and the LOA? I mean, 'Really?' :nono:

LOA is a distraction of satan to pull folks from having a complete relationship with God wherein is all we need to see His Word to come to pass in our lives.

Sosa · Dec 31, 2013

I don't practise LOA at least I hope not.

I believe God is my Healer. When I'm sick, I find verses in the bible that affirms that He is my Jehovah Rophe, and it is His will that I am healed. I pray knowing He will honor His Word. And I say it out loud that I am healed in Jesus name...I keep affirming my healing and saying the verses, then when it manifests I thank Him for it. OK, right?

I also believe that He is my Provider. I do the same as above...for example I use to drive a really unsafe car :nono:

. I acknowledge God as Jehovah Jireh and I prayed asking in Jesus name for a new reliable car. I would build my faith by saying "Lord, I thank you that one day I will have a reliable car. You said no good thing will you withhold from me". I drive a nice car now, debt free. And I am SO grateful to Him for it. Talk about peace of mind!

None of those things I could have done on my own. I know that. If I didn't speak it out loud, would I still have gotten it? Probably- God has answered many prayers without me speaking it out repeatedly. But I have also had many prayers answered without fasting too and I still fast. Speaking out loud His promises and thanking Him in advance for a prayer builds my faith. The focus is still on God and He gets all the glory. Far be it from me to "sleep with the devil" when my heart belongs to Christ. I trust that He won't give me everything I ask for, only those things that are 'good' for me. And I'm very ok with that :yep:

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ETA: Please feel free to point out any LOA practice/similarity in this. I'd like to put this to rest in my mind if possible.

Leigh · Dec 31, 2013

Shimmie said:
I respect you as well Maria... Regarding the bolded, Is this a typo or is this what LOA states about the Holy Spirit? I want to make sure that the Holy Spirit is properly represented, that's all. Again, I respect you as well, however there is no mix with God and LOA.

Forgetting about the LOA. Let's look at what the universe is. In the most basic terms the is space including everything in it - dust, gas, stars, clouds, galaxies, and life. Distant worlds waiting to be explored by future space craft.

The universe is constantly being created—and destroyed.

Earth is a part of the universe.

But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin. (Micah 3:8 KJV)

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. (John 14:26 NIV)

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38 NIV)

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. (1 Timothy 4:1 NIV)

Shimmie · Dec 31, 2013

HWAY said:
Shimmie and MrsHaseeb, help us understand. I have witnessed people healed through intercession and have had had many prayers answered. I do not know about LOA but I have "stood on faith, praised in advance and reminded God of his promises" when facing difficulties. Is the problem when Christians attempt to reach goals through our power. For instance, I am a nurse and was invited several time to learn therapeutic touch. The focus of the teaching is that "I' would heal my patients. I spoke with a mature Christian sister who once practiced witchcraft and she advised me against it. She also advised me to pray and ask the holy spirit to guide me since I do not wish to anything that would harm my relationship with God.
It makes me think of when Moses struck the rock at Meribah and failed to give God glory . Numbers 20:10-13.

HWAY... I'm in travel and typing from my phone so please bear with me. From what you've shared regarding standing on God's Word is based upon scripture. If you've read my posts, it's how I often pray.

LOA is a counterfeit of this mixed in with self manisfestation , vision boards, breathing rhythms -- which they call vibrations-- books and tapes with exercises on how to "attract" what you want into your life. It totally erases. God
and places "self" as their god instead. The biggest deception is adding scripture to the practice which is dangerous as it pulls in Christians who are unaware of the hidden dangers.

Iwanthealthyhair67 · Dec 31, 2013

Sosa said:
I think it is obvious that LOA practised by non-Christians is witchcraft. There is no God in it.

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It doesn't matter who practices it, it's still wrong and frankly I'm baffled at how many people on this board practice and defend it...

Iwanthealthyhair67 · Dec 31, 2013

Sosa if there are any 'undertones' in my comment in the up post, it's nothing directed towards you personally, I apologize...

Iwanthealthyhair67 · Dec 31, 2013

one thing that I have noticed is and I guess this is a learned thing ...certain words used in the LOA come over in Christianity, if you are a former LOA believer/user and haven't done so already renounce those phrases and words that you used before...

Sosa · Dec 31, 2013

Iwanthealthyhair67 said:
Sosa if there are any 'undertones' in my comment in the up post, it's nothing directed towards you personally, I apologize...

That's fine.

Leigh · Dec 31, 2013

Iwanthealthyhair67 said:
It doesn't matter who practices it, it's still wrong and frankly I'm baffled at how many people on this board practice and defend it...

Here's why:

Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. (Matthew 21:21 NIV)

If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.” (Matthew 21:22 NIV)

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: (Matthew 7:7 KJV)

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. (Mark 11:24 KJV)

I've heard it said that the LOA was devised by satan, however, I challenge this view. The LOA is a distorted extract or isolate of the Bible.

Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (Galatians 1:7 KJV)

Just like soy isolate has harmful things like hexane and aluminum not found in the whole soybean, the LOA depends on energy from the universe and not God the manifest that which the user desires.

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? (Matthew 7:11 KJV)

It is the distorted word. We ask knowing God will give. LOA asks knowing they will get from the Universe/energy/rock/debris etc.

Shimmie · Dec 31, 2013

Thanks Healthy Hair...

I apologize as well for my undertones regarding this subject. As I shared upwards, I have simply had it with the foolishness. LOA is a seducing spirit; it feeds on desires and greed. Not ever will you see anyone practicing LOA seeking a relationship with The Lord nor asking to be used in His Ministry. Why would they? It's all about fleshly wants.

God clearly says: Delight yourself in The Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart.

LOA has no delight in the Lord...it's delight is in itself. LOA followers seek the Universe.4

Iwanthealthyhair67 · Dec 31, 2013

these scriptures are for the believer or should I say the 'follower' of Christ..

there's a fine line here and I see how easy it is for folk to intertwine the Word with practices like the LOA, the bible does not need 'tweaking' ...

Leigh said:
Here's why:

Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. (Matthew 21:21 NIV)

If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.” (Matthew 21:22 NIV)

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: (Matthew 7:7 KJV)

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. (Mark 11:24 KJV)

I've heard it said that the LOA was devised by satan, however, I challenge this view. The LOA is a distorted extract or isolate of the Bible.

Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (Galatians 1:7 KJV)

Just like soy isolate has harmful things like hexane and aluminum not found in the whole soybean, the LOA depends on energy from the universe and not God the manifest that which the user desires.

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? (Matthew 7:11 KJV)

It is the distorted word. We ask knowing God will give. LOA asks knowing they will get from the Universe/energy/rock/debris etc.

gn1g · Dec 31, 2013

i use to like Dr. Cindy Trimm but she turned he ministry into $ business and it was not so much the business of soul winning.

Leigh · Dec 31, 2013

MrsHaseeb said:
All LOA is witchcraft. The word of faith movement/name it and claim it is abracadabra. It's occult in its very origins. You can't try to add scripture to make it Biblical because it's the exact same thing. I used to be into the LOA and I came out of a word of faith church by the grace of Christ. I know what I'm talking about. I'll be back.

Fabulous because I haven't studied the LOA in depth. I look forward to what you are going to,say.

Leigh · Dec 31, 2013

BostonMaria said:
If you go back to my post I said manifested in quotes. I know that it's all God not me. I know his promises for us and I hold on to his word. I know that is not witch craft. These loa took something that's Christian and ran with it. Now we are calling something that was ours satanic. Kinda like how people see meditating as satanic when it was originally ours to begin with. I guess we will agree to disagree. I will bow out of this thread respectfully. I'm glad we can discuss calmly without it getting messy. Wishing everyone a happy new year!

We don't want the distortion when we have the original nutritious beautiful Word. Let the distortion remain with those who are outside the body.

Leigh · Dec 31, 2013

Divine. said:
For the record, I don't practice LOA I am just making sure that my actions aren't in line with LOA doctrine. ETA: Shimmie you just answered my question in your post I read God's Word for what it is, not to fit my own desires and needs.

I understand your point, however, you would have to know that doctrine. To me it's better to focus on being in line with the Word. There will always be those distorting the Word. So if one focuses on that, they aren't focused on the Word. That is yet another way the enemy distracts us from adhering to God's Word.

PinkPebbles · Jan 1, 2014

Shimmie said:
Believing God's promises is completely different from practicing and placing one's faith in LOA which is a counterfeit and idolatry. We cannot serve the two as they are not 'One' with God.

"... In Lucifer’s fallen state he was still known as a light bringer, daystar and a son of the morning. These are all counterfeits to the real thing.

We are the genuine and when we become an early riser to command the morning and capture the day, we displace the devil."

Isaiah 14:12

@Shimmie the thanks button was not enough. Thank You.

For it is God who works in 'us' both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

It's not about "I", "I", and "I". I can't do anything on my own. Not by might nor by power, but by His spirit.

And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you always having all sufficiency in all things....

When we know the Will of God for our lives that's when we can go boldly to the throne of grace and confess His promises. It is God's grace that sustains and empowers us to receive from Him (His goodness).

When you read and study the bible then you will know God's Will and His promises.

Shimmie · Jan 1, 2014

PinkPebbles said:
@Shimmie the thanks button was not enough. Thank You.

For it is God who works in 'us' both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

It's not about "I", "I", and "I". I can't do anything on my own. Not by might nor by power, but by His spirit.

And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you always having all sufficiency in all things....

When we know the Will of God for our lives that's when we can go boldly to the throne of grace and confess His promises. It is God's grace that sustains and empowers us to receive from Him (His goodness).

When you read and study the bible then you will know God's Will and His promises.

PinkPebbles :love2:

This is your heart :yep:

I love the Lord, because He has heard
My voice and my supplications.

Because He has inclined His ear to me,
Therefore I will call upon Him as long as I live.

Psalm 116:1-2

blazingthru · Jan 1, 2014

Wow!! I never heard of LOA and still baffled about it. I Wikepedia it but it said clearly witchcraft and I let it go didn't even read it, thought that can't be aright. Some one care to explain or am I the only clueless person on this board?

sweetvi · Jan 1, 2014

MrsHaseeb

Patiently waiting.... Hope you feel. Better

Shimmie · Jan 1, 2014

blazingthru said:
Wow!! I never heard of LOA and still baffled about it. I Wikepedia it but it said clearly witchcraft and I let it go didn't even read it, thought that can't be aright. Some one care to explain or am I the only clueless person on this board?

blazingthru

:wave:

Hi Blaz, you're not clueless, Angel. I will look for the threads in CF explaining the LOA, and why it is not for Christians. If I am unable to locate them, I will start one.

Most of them were locked due to controversy. If I start a new thread I will make sure to explain it peacefully to not hurt anyone's feelings. It is not my intent to hurt anyone.

blazingthru · Jan 1, 2014

Shimmie said:
blazingthru

Hi Blaz, you're not clueless, Angel. I will look for the threads in CF explaining the LOA, and why it is not for Christians. If I am unable to locate them, I will start one.

Most of them were locked due to controversy. If I start a new thread I will make sure to explain it peacefully to not hurt anyone's feelings. It is not my intent to hurt anyone.

oh okay wonderful, thank you.

Shimmie · Jan 1, 2014

blazingthru and others interested:

Here's a thread discussing the loa and Christianity. It's one of the more "peaceful" threads. :yep:

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?p=19460307#post19460307

blazingthru · Jan 2, 2014

Law of attraction, Gee Whiz! I was searching and searching just for this one word. I totally get it now. Thanks Shimmie, I am not going to read about it, I got the first sentence and that was enough. I just can't let no foolishness get in my heart and mind. I need my peace and joy with me.

Shimmie · Jan 2, 2014

blazingthru said:
Law of attraction, Gee Whiz! I was searching and searching just for this one word. I totally get it now. Thanks @Shimmie, I am not going to read about it, I got the first sentence and that was enough. I just can't let no foolishness get in my heart and mind. I need my peace and joy with me.

You're very welcome, Sweetheart and wise to avoid this. :love2:

Baggettcindy · Jan 4, 2014

Sosa said:
I use to hear that in the Word church too. That we (children of God) are gods (lowercase/little g), in the sense that we are made in His image and He has given us the power to be his sons. This is based on John 10:34 and Psalm 82:6 and that verse that says "To as many as received Him, to them gave He power to be called the sons of God. Even to them that believe on His name". What was the context in which she said it?

To be honest, I find it hard to identify a church I am 100% with. The church I attend now, the Pastor shames women. Just this morning the Pastor (white man) vehemently said that everything that has gone wrong and the Fall of man happened because ONE WOMAN (he stressed it) couldn't keep herself from eating the fruit although she was told NOT TO. When he goes on his rants about modesty (Pentecostals are big on that) and looking like a Christian, he only talks about women. I understand that we have more flexibility in dress than men but still. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't raise her in this church. He says other stuff, continuously call ppl nicompoops/stupid etc that I try not be offended by...but he says good stuff too. And the good stuff helps me grow spiritually.
Sorry to go off on a tangent....

I said all that to say, and it's your personal choice, sometimes Pastors will say stuff that we don't agree with but prayerfully consider before you write them off . They could be wrong about one thing, hopefully God will allow them to see their error and they can acknowledge the mistake and continue to speak the truth. I humanize preachers because my Dad's a pastor and my mom preaches. They are godly people but they ain't perfect . I also see their heart for God and I'm witnessing their continued spiritual growth .

glad u have enough sense not be believe all that. Eve at the Fruit, but Adam was the head. God asked him what happened, not her. He tried to blame her tho...LOL

Shimmie · Jan 4, 2014

Baggettcindy said:
glad u have enough sense not be believe all that. Eve at the Fruit, but Adam was the head.

God asked him what happened, not her. He tried to blame her tho...LOL

He sure did... Adam turned 'Judas' on Eve...

"God...the woman that you gave me...." :yep:

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