what happened to the no heat straight plates thread ckw and launch?

I wonder why cancelling the contest wasn't posted on the updates on kick starter like all the other updates? I was really excited about it.

when did she cancel it cause she was still answering questions about it on May 30th, the day the contest was supposed to end, in her Fb group.

I am usually just a 'lurker' as you'd call it but this post and product in general definitely deserved my attention and 2cents as well.
I am very proud of the owner/maker/developer of this product, being able to bring an alternative way to smooth down the texture of your hair, who wouldn't love that?!
And even though I did not donate it was good to see that other black/brown women are getting out there and supporting each other.
It is good to know there is still some sense of community amongst black women.
What I find annoying on my part are the plain ol right to the core HATERS.
I thought this forum was free of them but I was wrong.
It is obvious that this woman has a good following, but there is also an obvious
amount of women just fussing over lil ish here and there.
How many of you all are starting up a company right now?
Running families?
Taking care of business and then some?

And if you are then I applaud you for having the time to spend oh so many hours on here
But for those that are probably in her same shoes, don't you think she may have better more important things right now then to try and reschedule an internet video.
It is not as if there is no video to show proof of the product, its just that people are picky as all hell and want to see this perfect to the T video and this magical product that she's offering, and that is just not the case.

Whats the fuss for anyways, she's already gotten the money?
If you don't like how shes running her business, then why not just keep it to yourselves?

I think what I am trying to get at and my real issue here is, why is it like pulling teeth to get support from the black community. And even if it's not monetary, but in attitude, just be happy for this woman and not speak ill and hope that she is about her word and will get these needed things done.

Nobody second guesses when they buy a pair of overpriced sneakers, that money doesn't go back into OUR community. Buying weave at the chinese beauty supply store. We throw out all of our money to EVERY OTHER RACE but when it comes to ours, we question them and rip them apart sooooooooooooooooooo fast. That Willie Lynch Mentality is taking over and it needs to stop now.

We are all we have.

This may be a "christian" forum, but if there's one thing I've learned its that subscribing to some religion does not automatically make you a good person.

I am confused. bronxsoloist

We simply asked for a video and she led us to believe there would be one. She should have simply said she would not be making one. A simple no would have sufficed.

I do not know where or how long you have been lurking but the ladies here have given here valuable advice in the very beginning. They used their connections as bloggers and business women to garner support and draw attention to the kickstarter.

I resent the fact that you are implying that we do not support black businesses. We absolutely do support them. We spend a great deal of money on products from women that mix up products right in their home. We make it our budiness to order from black businesses. We purchase scarves and bonnets and Sprangz and Puff Cuffs from black businesses. Do you have any idea how many entrepreneurs got their start on LHCF? How is the natural haircare industry booming if us blacks aren't buying the products?

If I have a problem with any customer service black or white owned I will complain. I won't hold my tongue simply because it is owned by a black company. Not once has anyone said that her lack of professionalism was due to her being black.

We were voicing our concerns about her issues and making promises that she cannot keep. The fact that she is not upfront when asked direct questions and her myriad of excuses at this early stage makes me nervous.

When a question is asked over and over by your clientele why would you choose to ignore it? Why change from the original design that she has worked years on to a new design in a week? Changing your prototype and asking me to trust you when you haven't tried the new design yourself is asking a bit much.

Starting smaller would have been better. It would have given her time to evaluate and work out the problems. She could have had a full set of plates and shown the results on different head types on a video. Instead we got edited videos that didn't give much information.

This is a forum and we give our opinions. The good and the bad. That doesn't make us haters.

And yes, many of us do own our own businesses and raise families. What does that have to do with bad business practices? If you can't juggle a full time job, a family and a side business that isn't my fault. Maybe you should work harder. Other women do it everyday.

What has been said or done that isn't Christian? I think you are confused about what Christianity is.

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bronxsoloist said:

I am usually just a 'lurker' as you'd call it but this post and product in general definitely deserved my attention and 2cents as well.
I am very proud of the owner/maker/developer of this product, being able to bring an alternative way to smooth down the texture of your hair, who wouldn't love that?!
And even though I did not donate it was good to see that other black/brown women are getting out there and supporting each other.
It is good to know there is still some sense of community amongst black women.
What I find annoying on my part are the plain ol right to the core HATERS.
I thought this forum was free of them but I was wrong.
It is obvious that this woman has a good following, but there is also an obvious
amount of women just fussing over lil ish here and there.
How many of you all are starting up a company right now?
Running families?
Taking care of business and then some?

And if you are then I applaud you for having the time to spend oh so many hours on here
But for those that are probably in her same shoes, don't you think she may have better more important things right now then to try and reschedule an internet video.
It is not as if there is no video to show proof of the product, its just that people are picky as all hell and want to see this perfect to the T video and this magical product that she's offering, and that is just not the case.

Whats the fuss for anyways, she's already gotten the money?
If you don't like how shes running her business, then why not just keep it to yourselves?

I think what I am trying to get at and my real issue here is, why is it like pulling teeth to get support from the black community. And even if it's not monetary, but in attitude, just be happy for this woman and not speak ill and hope that she is about her word and will get these needed things done.

Nobody second guesses when they buy a pair of overpriced sneakers, that money doesn't go back into OUR community. Buying weave at the chinese beauty supply store. We throw out all of our money to EVERY OTHER RACE but when it comes to ours, we question them and rip them apart sooooooooooooooooooo fast. That Willie Lynch Mentality is taking over and it needs to stop now.

We are all we have.

This may be a "christian" forum, but if there's one thing I've learned its that subscribing to some religion does not automatically make you a good person.

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I was pretty much a lurker too in this thread but you can't be serious.

When you are asking people for money you have an OBLIGATION to them to come correct. End of story. There were some very valid points and questions needing answers. I am sure she is busy and possibly overwhelmed with trying to organize and get things in order BUT she wouldn't even be doing that without the support she has gotten from THIS FORUM. I am assuming she had support from other avenues but it seems to me, the biggest of the support was from here. I am sorry but she should be making it a priority to explain what is going on to the people that do believe in her and want her to succeed.

bronxsoloist said:

I am usually just a 'lurker' as you'd call it but this post and product in general definitely deserved my attention and 2cents as well.
I am very proud of the owner/maker/developer of this product, being able to bring an alternative way to smooth down the texture of your hair, who wouldn't love that?!
And even though I did not donate it was good to see that other black/brown women are getting out there and supporting each other.
It is good to know there is still some sense of community amongst black women.
What I find annoying on my part are the plain ol right to the core HATERS.
I thought this forum was free of them but I was wrong.
It is obvious that this woman has a good following, but there is also an obvious
amount of women just fussing over lil ish here and there.
How many of you all are starting up a company right now?
Running families?
Taking care of business and then some?

And if you are then I applaud you for having the time to spend oh so many hours on here
But for those that are probably in her same shoes, don't you think she may have better more important things right now then to try and reschedule an internet video.
It is not as if there is no video to show proof of the product, its just that people are picky as all hell and want to see this perfect to the T video and this magical product that she's offering, and that is just not the case.

Whats the fuss for anyways, she's already gotten the money?
If you don't like how shes running her business, then why not just keep it to yourselves?

I think what I am trying to get at and my real issue here is, why is it like pulling teeth to get support from the black community. And even if it's not monetary, but in attitude, just be happy for this woman and not speak ill and hope that she is about her word and will get these needed things done.

Nobody second guesses when they buy a pair of overpriced sneakers, that money doesn't go back into OUR community. Buying weave at the chinese beauty supply store. We throw out all of our money to EVERY OTHER RACE but when it comes to ours, we question them and rip them apart sooooooooooooooooooo fast. That Willie Lynch Mentality is taking over and it needs to stop now.

We are all we have.

This may be a "christian" forum, but if there's one thing I've learned its that subscribing to some religion does not automatically make you a good person.

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I am very proud of the owner/maker/developer of this product, being able to bring an alternative way to smooth down the texture of your hair, who wouldn't love that?!
And even though I did not donate it was good to see that other black/brown women are getting out there and supporting each other.

What do you mean you are the owner/maker/developer of this product?

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HanaKuroi said:

I am very proud of the owner/maker/developer of this product, being able to bring an alternative way to smooth down the texture of your hair, who wouldn't love that?!
And even though I did not donate it was good to see that other black/brown women are getting out there and supporting each other.

What do you mean you are the owner/maker/developer of this product?

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She said she's very proud OF the owner/maker/developer (as we all are) and more than being proud, we put our money behind those sentiments (unlike some folks who are just flapping their gums). God forbid savvy shoppers who want to know what they spent their money on

bronxsoloist said:

I am usually just a 'lurker' as you'd call it but this post and product in general definitely deserved my attention and 2cents as well.
I am very proud of the owner/maker/developer of this product, being able to bring an alternative way to smooth down the texture of your hair, who wouldn't love that?!
And even though I did not donate it was good to see that other black/brown women are getting out there and supporting each other.
It is good to know there is still some sense of community amongst black women.
What I find annoying on my part are the plain ol right to the core HATERS.
I thought this forum was free of them but I was wrong.
It is obvious that this woman has a good following, but there is also an obvious
amount of women just fussing over lil ish here and there.
How many of you all are starting up a company right now?
Running families?
Taking care of business and then some?

And if you are then I applaud you for having the time to spend oh so many hours on here
But for those that are probably in her same shoes, don't you think she may have better more important things right now then to try and reschedule an internet video.
It is not as if there is no video to show proof of the product, its just that people are picky as all hell and want to see this perfect to the T video and this magical product that she's offering, and that is just not the case.

Whats the fuss for anyways, she's already gotten the money?
If you don't like how shes running her business, then why not just keep it to yourselves?

I think what I am trying to get at and my real issue here is, why is it like pulling teeth to get support from the black community. And even if it's not monetary, but in attitude, just be happy for this woman and not speak ill and hope that she is about her word and will get these needed things done.

Nobody second guesses when they buy a pair of overpriced sneakers, that money doesn't go back into OUR community. Buying weave at the chinese beauty supply store. We throw out all of our money to EVERY OTHER RACE but when it comes to ours, we question them and rip them apart sooooooooooooooooooo fast. That Willie Lynch Mentality is taking over and it needs to stop now.

We are all we have.

This may be a "christian" forum, but if there's one thing I've learned its that subscribing to some religion does not automatically make you a good person.

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All this and yet you didn't donate. Girl bye.

.... said the Phablet

GoldenRule said:

She said she's very proud OF the owner/maker/developer (as we all are) and more than being proud, we put our money behind those sentiments (unlike some folks who are just flapping their gums). God forbid savvy shoppers who want to know what they spent their money on

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I was so confused. I had just woken up. I understand now.

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Arlana said:

All this and yet you didn't dontate. Girl bye.

.... said the Phablet

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Wait...What? She didn't even donate?

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*look* I really hope she does come back in the thread to address questions and any concerns. I actually ended up changing my pledge from $45 to $ 25 because I'm not sure if I'm going to be using it all the time anyway.

HanaKuroi said:

Wait...What? She didn't even donate?

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Nope read early in the post

.... said the Phablet

I do not think it is unreasonable to hold someone to their "word" or their commitment. The developer of this product answered the call of many donors/potential donors who wanted to see the product results as used on a tightly coiled/kinked model. The developer agreed to do this demo, video the process and/or results, and distribute said video to the public.

She gave her word, made a commitment and didn't follow through on that commitment. Instead from what I have seen, any follow up attempts have been ignored.

Anyone (including myself) who questions the status of the complete video demo is not in my humble opinion a hater, but a purchaser who wanted to confirm product feasibility.

If the developer had simply addressed the issue in the forum, in the FB group, and on instagram, there wouldn't be such "hard" feelings. Instead it appears that she has chosen to ignore the matter since she has already gotten the money.

When someone tells me they are going to do something, I think it is a reasonable assumption that they are going to do what they say. When they don't, I am well within my rights to question 1) Why it hasn't been done and 2) If this lack of follow through is a sign of things to come. This doesn't make me a hater, this makes me someone who expects follow through.

For the record, I did "donate"/order a set and I have asked her in the FB group for the status of the 4b/c/z video as have others. As of this morning, my posts in the FB group along with others have gone unanswered.

It doesn't matter how busy one's life gets, when you sign up to do a job, open a business, customers don't care about one's personal life or issues, they care about the product/service being purchased. That's the bottom line.

I do think the video thing is sketch. :-/ I imagine 'whoops, I'll fix it later' would be the response people who never receive their orders would get.

MamitaLolita said:

I do think the video thing is sketch. :-/ I imagine 'whoops, I'll fix it later' would be the response people who never receive their orders would get.

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Yeah she continues to ignore posts in the facebook group that specifically are asking about the kinky demo video: posts that were listed yesterday and today.

I tried to cancel my pledge with kickstarter but there appears to be no option via the website once the project has closed/is funded.

Imma have to go through my credit card company to end my participation this fiasco before it goes down the path of other infamous natural hair upstarts.

OP I hope you come back because lhcf never ever forgets. Any attempt at a business will go down in flames. I've been on this forum 6 years and have seen businesses go under once the lhcf FBI goes after them.

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Oh Lord, I knew the thread was getting too long for it not to be some drama.

greenandchic said:

Oh Lord, I knew the thread was getting too long for it not to be some drama.

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I am so dissapointed.

BostonMaria said:

OP I hope you come back because lhcf never ever forgets. Any attempt at a business will go down in flames. I've been on this forum 6 years and have seen businesses go under once the lhcf FBI goes after them.

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go to the corner!

Napp said:

I am so dissapointed.

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uh oh

i have a feeling she knows the plates don't work on kinky hair
they probably work on curly hair only

sad that's dishonest

sharifeh said:

uh oh i have a feeling she knows the plates don't work on kinky hair they probably work on curly hair only sad that's dishonest

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But wasn't there a picture with a kinky haired model having a blown out look as results? I really hope this is not true otherwise this board will bring down her business before it's even gotten off the ground. Girl Kelechi, I know you're busy trying to get orders out but please come in here and respond to these concerns. We'd love to see you succeed. Thanks!

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msbettyboop said:

But wasn't there a picture with a kinky haired model having a blown out look as results? I really hope this is not true otherwise this board will bring down her business before it's even gotten off the ground. Girl Kelechi, I know you're busy trying to get orders out but please come in here and respond to these concerns. We'd love to see you succeed. Thanks!

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In the video the hair on the little girl is shiny and straight and smooth. Why on the IG picture does the hair look blown out? I thought the results in the video were on type 4 hair?

What is even more confusing is the ends of the hair on the type 3 hair on IG. The ends are left out while in the plates and they have the natural curl pattern. When the plates are removed the ends are straight and smooth. How did the ends get straight? They should still be curly.

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DivaDee62 said:

Yeah she continues to ignore posts in the facebook group that specifically are asking about the kinky demo video: posts that were listed yesterday and today.

I tried to cancel my pledge with kickstarter but there appears to be no option via the website once the project has closed/is funded.

Imma have to go through my credit card company to end my participation this fiasco before it goes down the path of other infamous natural hair upstarts.

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You can request it through amazon itself and also click "contact me" to have a request through kickstarter. She can easily refund you by logging in and just hitting "refund" if she agrees and of course your merchant account can do so too. But regardless your merchant account (cc or bank) can do it for you instantly. You can tell them the product is not as promised, that you paid for X and in the middle , after payment, the business owner changed their mind and changed the product. . It is not "as ordered". That is true because of her changing the prototype mid stream so for those who wish to do this, you can absolutely get a refund.

This thread has certainly been a roller coaster ride for sure! Let's keep up to date to respond when product is received (and any "issues" or good things along the way).


It will help to document for others who may decide to purchase this product (or not) depending on what we find.

I don't think that speaking honestly is a bad thing btw. I noticed some knocking others for having a right to voice concerns about some issues. There were promises made that needed to be honored and/or addressed if they could not be. It's pretty simple. She knows the concerns of the LHCF community and how everything went when she went awol last time. It would make sense then to make certain to get customer service under control and follow up with the community as promised. I realize she can't do everything for everyone but again empty promises are not a good sign. The ladies here have championed businesses previously as well as seen "signs" for those that became scammers. Some who started out with good intentions but just could not fulfill orders properly, etc who gave up to those who started off with the intention of scamming. With that said, time will tell but it makes sense to be cautious and have expectations for a new business. Maybe she will turn it around and hire a customer service team...who knows...or not. And if not, we will report one way or another so that others know what they are getting so to speak.

BostonMaria said:

OP I hope you come back because lhcf never ever forgets. Any attempt at a business will go down in flames. I've been on this forum 6 years and have seen businesses go under once the lhcf FBI goes after them.

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This. Just make sure to follow up and if you have problems tell us.

my goodness...I just looked at my join date of 6 years wow. But yes BostonMaria you speak the truth.

luckiestdestiny said:

You can request it through amazon itself and also click "contact me" to have a request through kickstarter. She can easily refund you by logging in and just hitting "refund" if she agrees and of course your merchant account can do so too. But regardless your merchant account (cc or bank) can do it for you instantly. You can tell them the product is not as promised, that you paid for X and in the middle , after payment, the business owner changed their mind and changed the product. . It is not "as ordered". That is true because of her changing the prototype mid stream so for those who wish to do this, you can absolutely get a refund.

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Thanks for posting this! I didn't even think to go through Amazon Payments.

BostonMaria said:

OP I hope you come back because lhcf never ever forgets. Any attempt at a business will go down in flames. I've been on this forum 6 years and have seen businesses go under once the lhcf FBI goes after them.

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BostonMaria Has the LHCF FBI been justified though? In all the gates I've seen, the business owner was doing something dodgy. I'm really curious to know if you can think of one where people weren't justfied to complain. I thought most stories I've see were legit. Could be wrong.

Either way ladies, all these red flags were up before the campaign closed. That's why I jumped out long before it closed. I caught onto the whole "oh I'm so clueless, I don't know what's going on." The video with the ends cut off. Reluctance to put up a proper 4a/b video. The logging in but ignoring posts. And the computer dying ... it's funny, with these situations, either the computer dies or they get sick. Without fail .

Perhaps she'll pull through, but she's definitely not being transparent which, I think, is what's making most people question her integrity. It's fair enough.

virtuenow luckiestdestiny

Have you heard anything from Mrs. Bradley? Or been able to get in contact with her?

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Hey Kelechi, each time I comment I address you directly, I am yet to receive a reply but I still wish you well and want to do well. I hope for your sake you have taken heed to my comments because great illustration of the use of the product on 4b/c hair like mine (via high resolution pictures and video-it is a must whether you like am or whether no like am) will give people more confidence in you and your product.

If you are taking your time to do it fine, but do not take too long as this can be done in 2 days max. 1 day for shooting the video and another for editing. If you need help to do it well ask for it or pay for it, it is a necessary investment for your buisness.

It would be be wise to address the corncerns and not just give an update and what some are already aware of i.e. the financial goal was met. It would be a shame for people to request refunds, but they are well in their right to so.

No matter how busy you are even if it is a small explanation we get, answer people's concerns. I am itching to let my UK hair sister's know but I cannot until they can see it really works on 4b/c hair.

Stay blessed,

xDeex

I like the replies she's gotten so far in this forum: http://www.thefastlaneforum.com/com...-300-what-should-i-do-next.52995/#post-373886

I'm glad they pointed out that it's not donations. We're paying for a product. To be frank I could have also done without all the super excited updates about how we believe in her and are making her dreams come true, etc. It's sweet and all but she should reserve that for her family and close friends. We are her customers, not her fanbase.

I initially wanted to donate $1,000 but DH was like "WHA for plastic?! Can you start lower and later increase?!" So I went with $500. When she ignored us I reduced to 2 orders of the $80 international kit, and in the end I only authorized one $85 kit. However I don't think it makes much of a difference to her, it's only us LHCFers that are trying to hold her to her word. She can just proceed to ignore us as she has already acquired enough attention elsewhere.

I'm disappointed.