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Isnt Janell stewart a Sheamoisture Beauty thinamahjiggie?
Shes a type 4 in NYC
Shes a type 4 in NYC
Mahogany Curls is now a Beauty Ambassador!
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NaturallyATLPCH
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I was going to mention her. Lord knows she has gone hard for Shea Moisture over the years.
I don't think she's an ambassador for them though, which, if she's not, I would wonder why as much as she's pushed that line.
Are you sure about that? I don't think even type 1s that have no problems with sebum running down their strands can survive on just water.
I am also disappointed in the complaints. They just drip with envy and an inferiority complex. Instead being upset she was selected, rally that others be selected as well. Don't diminish her hair journey and struggles because it is not yours. Don't play oppression Olympics - hair edition because you never come out looking good from those.
JaneBond007
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LOL. In other words, "curls" for 4'ish aren't going to look like "curls" for 3-ish hair when DRY. Maybe the goal isn't trying to force the hair to conform to what 3-ish can attain. Maybe a more conditioned, soft, fluffy afro-ish hair should be represented in all its glory than trying to effectively stuff someone into another category by appearance? Ya know, it's not my idea at all and it's been said many times.
All kinky hair is curly. But let's be honest, some curls are looser than others. Some have frizzy, dry wave, others tight kink. Nobody is saying YOUR hair is bad, honey. ETA: After careful thought, I won't play mean girl like yourself. I've worn many hats and have been many things, but stupid has never been any of them. Can't be genuinely happy for her? Your best bet is to promote your type to these companies rather than shooting another down. Be proactive and complaining only on LHCF isn't effective means to the end you desire.
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tatiana
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I think Mahogany Curls is a 3b (mostly).
She worked hard, so congrats to her.
I know people are not happy with this but when I read her comments on her videos, I feel that most of her followers are type 4s. There is another 3b vlogger and vast majority of the people that make comments are type 4s because they stay asking her to do 4a/4b hair as if she has access to it. So in a sense, the type 4s are making the type 3 vloggers popular.
Hopefully, Shea Moisture will select several different beauty ambassadors to reflect the diversity of our hair.
She worked hard, so congrats to her.
I know people are not happy with this but when I read her comments on her videos, I feel that most of her followers are type 4s. There is another 3b vlogger and vast majority of the people that make comments are type 4s because they stay asking her to do 4a/4b hair as if she has access to it. So in a sense, the type 4s are making the type 3 vloggers popular.
Hopefully, Shea Moisture will select several different beauty ambassadors to reflect the diversity of our hair.
Wildchild453
When I hit waist I stop
Isn't Jenell from Kinky Curly Coily Me also a brand ambassador? I know she's in the 4s.
Joigirl
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Can we not turn this accolade into another reason to divide ourselves into factions. Let's just be happy for this long time Youtuber. The likely reasons she was chosen is because of longevity, number of subscribers, lack of unnecessary drama, pleasant personality, her beauty and lovely hair. She is a complete package for a natural hair products company. The advantage for those with a 3 texture is that their hair is found in African-American, Latin, certain ethnic and bi-racial groups. It appeals to a wider variety of people with the same or similar texture here in the States. On top of that, those with a tighter texture also accept it. To change this, we have to advocate for diversity and show support for kinkier textures rather than complain about it in our own circles. Start your own channel or brand to support diverse hair types.
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Mai Tai
Miss Nigeria-America
You have expressed what I neither have the energy or vocabulary to express.
Who cares about her curl pattern or why Shea Moisture chose her. I am just glad to see a YouTuber that resembles me make her way from less then 100 subscribers to now being a brand ambassador. Hell, I have thick 4b relaxed hair and I still think her accomplishment is great.
nlamr2013
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And most of her more recent videos are about her wearing weaves and wigs and she's been getting free wigs from rpgshow so has ambrosia just to name a few
Cherokee-n-Black
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I like Jess and her hair is to die for, but I can understand why someone would advocate for the "brand ambassador" status should be given to those with tighter curl patterns who have a strong following on the web and get great results with the products. Why is that so wrong or about feeling inferior or having a complex? It's not like 4's don't make videos. It's not like they don't get followed. I do think you have to watch Jess' entire hair journey from her TWA though. She does a great job with her hair, but her curls are hanging a little looser now than they did when she bc'd. I would definitely say she's a 3c and not 3b. She's just done an awesome job taking care of her hair over the last four or so years and the growth has resulted in more weight stretching her curls. The only thing I will say is that a lot of the 4's out there are not using highly commercialized products, so that might be somewhat to blame, but I do think these companies need to broaden their scope beyond the Jess's and Taren's of the web.
*Frisky*
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She is affiliated with them somehow because she was working the booth with them at the WNHS in Atlanta doing interviews, talking to people, etc.
This hair type discrimination mess is getting toxic
erplexedShe is affiliated with them somehow because she was working the booth with them at the WNHS in Atlanta doing interviews, talking to people, etc.
This hair type discrimination mess is getting toxic
Are you referring to the companies that do this or natural ladies?
ManeStreet
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It's a black woman winning y'all!! We should be ecstatic for Jess. She is sweet, her videos are well made, straight to the point and her tutorials are easy. See this is exactly why I'm not on board with this "hair type" foolishness. It's just another way to pit black women against each other.
SophieDulce
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Good for her, I'm just happy she's a full black woman.
ellebelle88
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That's subjective because it depends on the individual and their hair. Here's an example though: for most of us, Luster's Pink Oil Moisturizer was the devil. But growing up there were plenty 3b,3c Black women and kids who used it and loved it. It wasn't moisturizing or detangling enough to work for the majority of Black women, but for others who were fortunate to have less kinkier hair textures, it was just fine for them. Thus, they weren't holding products to the same "rigorous" standards that someone like me did.
Anyhoo, yall are really twisting my words. I don't know what you all mean by no one is celebrating her success because I clearly congratulated her and I'm happy for her. I just also mentioned that these hair care companies need to have more diversity. It's the same thing with the movie industry casting Paula Patton for every Black female role. Her look is not representative of the average Black woman. Yall act like there's something wrong with wanting a wide range of representations of Black people. We are our own worst enemy. Instead of advocating for more, we always are just so happy to settle when we finally get one foot in the door. Such backwards thinking.
nubiangoddess3
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I'm happy for Mahogany Curls, but I am giving Shea Moisture a side eye. I feel they picked Mahogany as a brand ambassador for their curl enhancing products because the product probably doesnt work well at enhancing curls, which is why they picked a person with 3b or 3c hair.
Shea Moisture decision is nothing but a marketing scheme to get tighter curled natural to think Shea Moisture products will get their curls to pop too...
Shea Moisture decision is nothing but a marketing scheme to get tighter curled natural to think Shea Moisture products will get their curls to pop too...
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ManeStreet
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ellebelle88
I "twisted" your words by asking you a question?
Mahogany curls doesn't look anything like Paula Patton, so what's the correlation?...
On which of your posts did you "clearly" congratulate Mahogany Curls?
ManeStreet
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ellebelle88
You believe that all the 3b & 3c hair ladies on this site can just start using lusters pink oil & be just fine? Their curls will be popping & their hair will be growing & in great health using lusters pink oil just like it would be if they were using higher end products?
You seem to be more of an expert on 3b/3c hair than those that have 3b/3c hair, you should start educating the masses. I'm going how throw out my Moroccan oil, Agadir, Joico, keracare & switch to lusters pink oil. I can't believe I never thought to go buy that same smelly, greasy, dirt-attracting pink oil my grandma used on my hair back 1989. What was I thinking?...
First we all should know by now that it isn't just about curl size (3b/3c/4a..). Just because two people both have 3c hair it doesn't mean they can both thrive using lusters pink oil. What about texture, porosity, density?.. Maybe you are under an ill formed assumption that it's just easy street for all 3b/3c hair, 5 minute detangling session, frizz free popping curls 24/7...
Do you see how long Mahogany curls takes on those videos doing her wash & go's & those hair styles like Bantu knots, twist outs etc? If her hair was that easy shouldn't it take like 5 minutes?
Does she use the 3b/3c holy grail product known as lusters pink oil?
ellebelle88
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I only quoted you because you specifically mentioned me and I was responding to that question. But in the second paragraph I was speaking generally. I didn't mention anyone in particular (I said "yall"). But yes the general consensus was that those wanting more representation weren't happy for her, but were instead trying to tear her down.
I'm sorry if you don't have the intelligence to connect the analogy I made between Paula and Mahagony Curls. I wasn't talking about their physical appearance, I was making a connection between how one person is always the representation for Black women, even when that person is not how the average Black woman in America looks. Please try thinking about this a little bit harder before responding again. You're making yourself look silly.
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ellebelle88
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Girl stop. I was simply trying to make a case that one product that may work fine for one hair texture, will not be the holy grail for us with kinkier hair textures. I was watching a documentary and studies shows that there is much more (on-going) research on things that affect white people, like dandruff and bleaching/coloring hair, than research on the structure of Black hair.
ManeStreet
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Bulletin to everyone this is not a black woman with black hair.
ManeStreet
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3b/3c is a curl size not a hair texture.
ellebelle88
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I don't get how you're trying to form an argument by picking apart the smallest things in mine. Yes, everyone on the board knows that the system is based on curl size, but MANY times, curl size is related to hair texture.
So, what is your point because I'm missing it.
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