How do you feel about white women being a part of the natural hair community?

cami88

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Everything he said was the truth. I'm impressed...he knows a lot about natural hair. My SO would have no idea what a wash and go is.

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Gin&Tonic

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You can't live in a culture and want to be included in traditionally "white" arenas, but not want them to be included in any of ours. It doesn't work like that. I am not concerned about whites "taking over" the natural hair movement because no one can come and "take over" the hair on my head. Unless a WW is going to somehow figure out a way to grow Type 4 kinky/curly hair, then I don't have much to worry about. As deep as hair may be at times, it's still aesthetic. When you log off, most people in the world aren't concerned about the natural hair movement, like at all. I also get annoyed with people acting like we need a "natural hair movement" to wear our hair. Black women have always worn natural hair, braids, twists, etc. The only difference now is that there are more of us and new styles. The "movement" could come and go and you can still wear your hair how you want to, natural or otherwise. To use this as an example of when integration goes wrong is kind of extreme. We're talking about hair here. Black women have been emulating the styles of other cultures to the point of literally wearing other women's hair, but I guess we don't want to talk about that, right?

Solitude you can't be serious. In case you don't know ,integration has not worked. We are actually more segregated than ever. Whites do not open everything up to us, to think otherwise is naive, delusional and silly.
 

Serenity_Peace

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Asians have an entirely separate and distinct community that focuses on their self-hatred issues related to standards of beauty.

For example, my Korean friend tells me how eye reconstructive surgery is a multi-billion dollar industry in East Asia. The prevalent anime character that we see everywhere with the huge eyes and eyelashes is incredibly popular there. However, she tells me that many East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc.) deal with these issues together as a community; they are uniquely their own and little to do with white people other than the fact that European standards of beauty were imposed on Asian cultures for centuries.

Many of us have said that skin lightening or whitening is huge in South Asian cultures like India Sri Lanka. In those cultures, there is an entirely separate industry that specifically caters to women of Asian descent. And many women in this are attempting to beat back European standards of beauty on their own. So I was talking just yesterday to one of my closest friends who is Sri Lankan about this issue (and she is much darker than I), she said that there are issues that are specifically unique to the experiences of the Sri Lankan, Indian and/or South Asian culture that white women will NEVER understand. We don't ask them to join in those conversations and they never bother us about ever joining them.

Why is it that blacks feel the need to always and consistently apologize or accommodate others? Why do we feel guilted into inviting others who do not share the same concerns or experiences as we do into our discussions or our movements?

All that most of us are saying is that there should be a separate and distinct platform that is devoted to discussions about kinky-curly-nappy hair that primarily affect women of color.

It's just that simple.
 

Mz.MoMo5235

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Asians have an entirely separate and distinct community that focuses on their self-hatred issues related to standards of beauty.

For example, my Korean friend tells me how eye reconstructive surgery is a multi-billion dollar industry in East Asia. The prevalent anime character that we see everywhere with the huge eyes and eyelashes is incredibly popular there. However, she tells me that many East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc.) deal with these issues together as a community; they are uniquely their own and little to do with white people other than the fact that European standards of beauty were imposed on Asian cultures for centuries.

Many of us have said that skin lightening or whitening is huge in South Asian cultures like India Sri Lanka. In those cultures, there is an entirely separate industry that specifically caters to women of Asian descent. And many women in this are attempting to beat back European standards of beauty on their own. So I was talking just yesterday to one of my closest friends who is Sri Lankan about this issue (and she is much darker than I), she said that there are issues that are specifically unique to the experiences of the Sri Lankan, Indian and/or South Asian culture that white women will NEVER understand. We don't ask them to join in those conversations and they never bother us about ever joining them.

Why is it that blacks feel the need to always and consistently apologize or accommodate others? Why do we feel guilted into inviting others who do not share the same concerns or experiences as we do into our discussions or our movements?

All that most of us are saying is that there should be a separate and distinct platform that is devoted to discussions about kinky-curly-nappy hair that primarily affect women of color.

It's just that simple.

It is EXACTLY that simple!
Thank you!
 

Stormy

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@MicheePrings thank you so much for posting that video! Nice to see a brotha who KNOWS what he's talking about and speaks the truth!

Now...ole Sara Waterlily needs to see it!
 

Solitude

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@Solitude you can't be serious. In case you don't know ,integration has not worked. We are actually more segregated than ever. Whites do not open everything up to us, to think otherwise is naive, delusional and silly.

To say that "integration has not worked" is another broad and over-reaching statement. Integration has advanced blacks in some ways and set us back in other ways, yes. But, to completely deny the benefits that blacks have gained in an insult to the work of Dr. King, Thurgood Marshall, and many others. Further, you should talk to some older black people who lived pre-segregation and ask them if they would like to go back to being completely excluded from the places of business, schools, social clubs, etc., that you have the privilege of enjoying every day. While segregation does still exists, in part due to white flight and other cultural phenomenon, much of it is self-segregation, which is what you are pushing for with the hair "movement," correct?

There is no need to call me delusional, silly, or any other name in an attempt to silence my opinion. I am none of the sort and nothing in my posts implicates that I am.

Note: I am not comparing the integration of whites into the "natural hair movement" to the social integration of blacks and whites in America. I am responding only to your broad and flawed statement that "integration did not work" in terms of blacks and the Civil Rights Movement.
 

Solitude

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http://youtu.be/lHS6y8RkTN8

This video is a black man explaining his take on this issue. Thought I'd share because it refreshing to see a black man willing to take a stand beside us women.

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It is very funny to me that I see this man's video being posted in so-called support of the black natural hair movement. After I saw who it was, I did not watch because he is one of the man black males on YouTube that regularly bashes black women.

He knows a lot about us, and our hair, because he is obsessed with what "we" are doing wrong while he rarely makes any videos about black men, even though he is one. I won't help him gain clicks by posting his most offensive videos, but you can simply browse his channel and see for yourself.
 

Solitude

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literally came back in this thread out of nowhere and oh, we're talking about weaves now? for what? what on earth does that have to do with the price of tea in china? folks love deflecting and derailing when there is no other way to force the conversation to bend to their perspective.

If you can't understand what black women's obsession with weave has to do with this debate, then I don't know what to tell you. I clearly and specifically outlined why it matters. I don't know who "their" is supposed to be. I'm a black woman just like you, but I guess we are all supposed to subscribe to groupthink and have only one perspective, right?

I had to google this insanity. It is not real.

Just like a lot of the stuff that is being posted is not real, but people don't want to take 5 seconds and look for truth in the midst of an emotionally-charged conversation.
 

Solitude

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Regarding your comments about "they don't go through that," that is not true.

Bold faced lie. We go through a specific type of racism.

You called what I wrote a "bold-faced lie" then wrote that they go through a specific type of racism. So, what part of what I wrote was a lie? :look: Your own post affirmed what I wrote originally.

Lorraine Massey was forced to straighten her curly hair at a salon that she worked at, and instead she quit.

So she would not look too ethnic (read "partially black")

Yes, just as I stated, the curly hair biased that some non-blacks experience is a subtle form of racism, which is what Massey writes in her book. She does not claim to understand the black experience, which is why she had a black woman who is a stylist at her salon write the section that focuses on zig-zag or fractal curls. Again, nothing you wrote negated what I said.

There are other stories in the Curly Girl Handbook of white women with curly hair were told to straighten their hair for job interviews or told that curly hair is not professional.

Straightening with a blow dryer for fifteen minutes every morning can not be equated with a relaxer which is what many of us need to achieve this poker straight look that wavy haired women can't achieve by simply brushing their hair.

That is your opinion. To me, 15 minutes of straightening every morning of life sounds like a burden.

It's no coincidence that a lot of WW start out with curly hair in Hollywood and slowly move to the ideal straight, blonde hair.

Again that is another facet of racism that we suffer even more of as black women. The white actress is told to straighten her hair and dye it blonde. We are told we are not right for a part unless it is about a slave or a maid.

No one said that white women in Hollywood suffered more than blacks. So, again, your comparison has nothing to do with what I wrote. I would also like to point out that while many black women in Hollywood wear weaves because they have to, others do so out of choice.


Black women have been wearing natural hair to work.

While weathering negativity, criticism and hurtful comments the entire time.

I wear my natural hair to work in a strict corporate environment and I do not get any negative comments. I am sure some people have negative thoughts about it, but I do not know where this narrative came from that assumes that wearing ones natural hair to work is a negative experience for EVERY black woman.


Wearing a weave is a choice.

It is a coerced choice. It is easier to wear weave than to process or straighten your hair when you have a particularly kinky texture. You just mentioned white women who have to straighten yet, you don't recognize this problem among your own people?

I have never felt coerced to wear weave. I have worn a weave maybe twice in my entire life. So, again, your experience does not speak to all black women. Further, this narrative assumes that black women don't have the mental or political strength to make the choice to wear or not wear weaves, as if ALL black women wear them. MANY do not.

There is no where that I said I do not recognize the difficult choices that black women make in regards to hair. My post was focused on white women because they are the SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD.


The people that are wearing weaves due to discrimination at work are few and far between.

This is opinion and not fact. I take it you haven't been to too many offices where black women work?

First of all, I am a black woman so I speak to my experience.

Second, 90% of black women where I work wear natural hair.

Third, I have worked in many environments from fast food to corporate America and there have ALWAYS been black women who wore natural hair.

Most of these women buying $300 wigs, U-part wigs, sew-ins, and all manner of weaves are doing it for style.

So, hundreds of years of straightening our hair with items ranging from homemade lye to a hot knife to irons that are for clothes does not find a logical conclusion in just slapping fake straight hair onto our heads? For many of us a flat iron job only loosens our curl pattern unless we crank it up to anywhere from 400 to 450 degrees. Even then, we still have to use a fine tooth comb to chase the iron and must do all this after blow drying our hair as straight as we possibly can. Other races do not need to invest that much time just to straighten their hair, something which you have made clear other races are encouraged to do. So wearing wigs and weave isn't the logical solution to that societal demand on kinkier textures? :rolleyes:

No, wearing weaves and wigs is not a logical solution. Weaves and wigs take way more time to find, install, pay for, and care for than simply caring for one's real hair.

I don't know what "hundreds of years" of straightening hair you speak of. The pressing comb was invented in the 1900's.

For example, most of the women on YT doing wig and weave tutorials don't even have a job.

How do you even know they don't have a job? :rolleyes: This is an assumption, yes? Based on the fact it is black women advertising weave on Youtube? I am not even going to touch that :nono:.

No, it is NOT an assumption it is a fact.

Most YTers that make videos full time do not have professional jobs. That goes for blacks and whites. I know because I watch YouTube every day and I have been following some of these people for years. Please feel free to counter and list all of these wig ad weave-wearing gurus that have professional jobs. I'll wait.

I can think of one or two beauty gurus that do wig/weave tutorials that were or are in the military, and one who is a non-military professional.

They are wearing those styles because they want to,

We are conditioned ever since childhood to want certain things. If not, going natural wouldn't be a journey it would just be the cessation of applying a relaxer.

For some, that is all that it is. Why is it so hard to accept that at least some black women make hair choices that are independent of what society thinks?

When I am in a room full of black women, there are usually never two women with the same hair styles. Some have short hair, some long. Some have straight hair, some curly. Some have weaves, some have TWAs. Some have long locs and some have bone-straight relaxers. We are all influenced by societal standards, but we all make individual choices about how we wear our hair.


but it takes away from the world recognizing the beauty of our hair when we have someone else's hair.

If we have never learned to care for our hair the natural desire will be to hide it.

Again, you take all responsibility away from the wearer. I have never had the desire to hide my hair. I relaxed it, yes, but never hid it.

My responses to your response are in red.
 

Solitude

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Part II. My response was too long for one post.





It also takes credibility from the "we want our own hair space" argument when we are wearing hair from another culture.

The people who are making the "we want our own hair space" argument are predominantly wearing their own hair. You know they had to go on a journey to healthier hair practices, let go of their discomfort with their hair, learn to care for it. You know, you have heard of it, THE NATURAL HAIR MOVEMENT. The movement that is encouraging us to move away from wigs/weaves etc.

Not sure what your point was here. Most of the people militantly pushing for this movement are completely anonymous online, so I have no idea how they wear their hair, but from what I can tell plenty of the people posting in these threads wear wigs and weaves.

Us wearing wigs and weaves constantly does a lot more damage to the natural hair movement than some random white woman being featured on CurlyNikki.com.

The natural hair movement is predominantly about being able to wear your hair natural, as in without relaxer, without wigs and weaves, without straightening poker straight.

However, we still have the option to relax responsibly

Who came up with this definition of what the "movement" is? To me, the natural hair movement should not include wigs and weaves.

Because of our reality

Wear wigs and weaves responsibly

because of our reality

and straighten poker straight responsibly

because of our reality.

I don't know what you were talking about in the parts above.

We still cant show up to work in many cases with a wet afro or celie braids.


While our counterparts in most cases can fly out of the shower with their hair sopping wet and head to work

No product, no shingling, no detangling, no blow drying required. That is an option for others, not us, not at this point.

That is why we are having this conversation.


I have been going to work with wet hair whenever I felt like it since 2008 (wet buns, and now wet curls). I don't wear Celie braids because I don't want to, but women at my job do.

Besides, I still say that if Felicity had been more respectful and less glib this whole backlash would have never happened.


I think it would have. People went to her Twitter and FB and blog looking for a fight. I agree that she was disrespectful (from what I can tell of what has been posted).

Y'all talmbout where the hair comes from... please look at this quick clip, it's not that long but it shows enough of what's going on, these poor people offer their hair to the gods, at the temple, and get nothing in return... And the Asians come in and buy it up and sell it... this hair is disgusting, how they process it... for the black people to purchase, and then they treat us so badly in their stores and talk about us.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10203096962136457&id=1578399079

They don't want to be informed about that. If you talk about the problem with weave and how it affects the "natural hair movement," then you're derailing. :rolleyes:
 

Solitude

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You know there is always one. The argument was weak IMO. Many ethnicities wear wigs and weaves. Look at Jews. They live for years off wigs. Where they get that hair from? No one criticizing them. Dominicans offer extensions and weaves and their own people LOVE them. Those are just a couple of examples. It's a hair style; but it's a problem for us for some reason.

ITA with you. And the others (can't remember, on my phone) that clearly argued the weave/wig thing.

IDK what you are talking about because I have the same criticism for all people who depend on weaves. The Dominicans that I know are blacks and none of the Jews that I know wear weaves, so I can't speak to their experience. The Jewish people that I know tend to keep their curly hair short so as not to have to deal with it too much.

In America at least, we (black women) are the major consumers of weaves. There are certain markets like L.A. where I'm sure more WW wear weaves, but it is a widespread problem in our community nationwide.

Lawd, this is not about Pharrell and/ or 'new Blacks'. This is about ww encroaching on our ish as usual.

Stay focused. :wallbash:

@Honey Bee please see the post below of the same poster bringing the same offensive term back up. I hope you will direct her to stay on topic, like you did to me.



@Chanteuse

THANK YOU!

This is the EXACT reason that I refused to be drawn into a nonsensical debate about the term "New Black" when an earlier poster tried to chastize me for using it. I read her post, said ,

and kept it moving!

I refused to respond.

You're not getting me caught up and derailed from the real issue: THE NATURAL HAIR MOVEMENT IS CREATED FOR, BY AND ABOUT BLACK WOMEN TO ADDRESS AND COUNTERACT THE OPPRESSION PLACED UPON US FOR CENTURIES IN REGARDS TO OUR HAIR/BODIES/SEXUALITY/INTELLIGENCE, ETC.

Any thing else is tricknology and I ain't nobody got time for that...


Yes, because it is okay to use derogatory terms to insult other blacks in the name of the movement that you say is intended to uphold other blacks. Right....

We don't want to be oppressed, but it's okay to try to suppress the opinions of blacks with a different opinion than you. The question was POSED about WW and the natural hair movement. It wouldn't be much of a discussion if everyone had the same opinion.

Hi,

I think you are referring to hairstyles vs a movement toward self acceptance. To you, it may just be learning to have healthy hair. And that's ok. But to other people, it's more than that, and they have a right not to want it appropriated.

As an analogy, this whole thing reminds me of the origins of rap music. To some people "it's not that deep, it's just music." But for some of the original artists, it was a real movement that meant something. Then it became more commercialized, MAJORLY appropriated (yes that had a lot to do with sell outs, I know), into a distorted mess that many of us are ashamed of today. And now black people are not even the face of that in some cases. And some of the ones who are...are just caricatures.

This is why I can't support websites like rapgenius. Sorry. I can't bring myself to give it clicks. You have a Jewish guy and Indian guy now making money off the rap lyrics that in many cases, meant something to a specific culture. It is appropriation. I don't think the same cultures would allow anyone to come in and create a Bollywood or Purim site that they have no say in and appropriate / bank off of their culture like that. Just saying.

Phew, a bit of a tangent, but it was supposed to be an analogy. :lol: I'm happy you're happy. We will have to agree to disagree. :)

I appreciate how eloquently you stated your opinion.

One thing that I am noticing is that a lot of the people opposing me are newer to LHCF. You guys probably do not remember that this was first a HEALTHY HAIR MOVEMENT. I do not recall a lot of talk about natural hair movement back in 2008. In fact, some of the great natural hair sheroes were still relaxed and people frequently posted hair tips from majority-white hair sites. The older people remember, but are acting brand new.

A healthy hair journey is all I ever signed up for :look:. Good luck to y'all with the rest of it.
 
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Ogoma

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Didn't even bother reading any of it. Hope you are getting paid. Hope you are not wasting your time for free.
 

Solitude

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Didn't even bother reading any of it. Hope you are getting paid. Hope you are not wasting your time for free.

So, who is derailing now? How am I wasting my time when we are on the same website doing the same thing? You have only been around here fore 3 years and your post count is a lot higher than mine. :look:
 

LdyKamz

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You said you don't know how the women in these threads wear their hair then go on to say plenty of them are weave wearers? That's news to me.

Secondly, what does black women wearing weaves have to do with wanting a space for black women and their hair? I'm not understanding this. Because some black women wear weave it's ok for everyone to join? One more thing. Since you think it is ok for white women to be a part of the movement and they are indeed natural, can you tell me natural as opposed to what?
 

Solitude

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You said you don't know how the women in these threads wear their hair then go on to say plenty of them are weave wearers? That's news to me.

Secondly, what does black women wearing weaves have to do with wanting a space for black women and their hair? I'm not understanding this. Because some black women wear weave it's ok for everyone to join? One more thing. Since you think it is ok for white women to be a part of the movement and they are indeed natural, can you tell me natural as opposed to what?

I know that some of them wear wigs and weaves because I have been around here since 2008. I don't know how every person wears their hair, obviously. I'm not sure why that's hard to understand :look:.

Any person who does chemically NOT alter his or her natural hair is natural. Simple. CurlyNikki has a little space on the internet where she has chosen to include them. You can start your own space and you can choose not to. Also simple.

I already explained the weave reference. You can go back and reread my posts if you are actually interested.
 

LdyKamz

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IDK what you are talking about because I have the same criticism for all people who depend on weaves. The Dominicans that I know are blacks and none of the Jews that I know wear weaves, so I can't speak to their experience. The Jewish people that I know tend to keep their curly hair short so as not to have to deal with it too much.

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She said Jewish women wear wigs not weaves. And the Jewish women you know must not be married or religious. Because once they are married that wig goes on and doesn't come off ever in public.
 

Ogoma

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Since keeping your post count low is important to you :lol:, you shouldn't waste it on useless dribble. Logic and common sense are not your strong suits. After reading your comments earlier, I can't be bothered to read the new ones. I am not going to get my brain cells back.

Off to party. Have a good Friday night.
 

Solitude

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She said Jewish women wear wigs not weaves. And the Jewish women you know must not be married or religious. Because once they are married that wig goes on and doesn't come off ever in public.

Actually, the Jewish women that I know are very religious. One Jewish woman in particular that I know celebrates every Jewish holiday. She has very curly hair, is married with kids, and wears her hair short. I am not familiar enough with Jewish customs to know whether this is common or not common.

I live in a part of town with many Orthodox Jews and none that I can see wear wigs, but I'm sure it's possible.
 

Solitude

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Since keeping your post count low is important to you :lol:, you shouldn't waste it on useless dribble. Logic and common sense are not your strong suits. After reading your comments earlier, I can't be bothered to read the new ones. I am not going to get my brain cells back.

Off to party. Have a good Friday night.

I'm not sure why you continuously feel the need to try to offend and insult me, but I can only presume it is a further symptom of your insecurity with your hair, and with yourself. Good night.
 

LdyKamz

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Since my join date is after 2008 I best keep my mouth shut and not oppose the "veteran" :lol:

Edit: I must say your attitude is very different now. Before, you were just posting your differing opinion and now there's shade being thrown about join dates and weave wearers. Not sure why. But oh well.
 
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Solitude

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Since my join date is after 2008 I best keep my mouth shut and not oppose the "veteran" :lol:

Edit: I must say your attitude is very different now. Before, you were just posting your differing opinion and now there's shade being thrown about join dates and weave wearers. Not sure why. But oh well.

You can do as you feel. The tone of my post in this and any other thread has not changed. Others feel the same as I do, but they will not speak out for fear of being e-bullied. My reference to the old days was to illustrate the point that the division in race and hair texture did not exist when I joined. Even when there were debates about relaxed v. natural, at the end of the day the focus was on healthy hair, and it was generally referred to as a "healthy hair movement" not a "natural hair movement."

I find it interesting that you mentioned shade, but did not reference the poster that said I lack logic and common sense. That's LHCF for ya :drunk:.
 

LdyKamz

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You can do as you feel. The tone of my post in this and any other thread has not changed. Others feel the same as I do, but they will not speak out for fear of being e-bullied. My reference to the old days was to illustrate the point that the division in race and hair texture did not exist when I joined. Even when there were debates about relaxed v. natural, at the end of the day the focus was on healthy hair, and it was generally referred to as a "healthy hair movement" not a "natural hair movement."

I find it interesting that you mentioned shade, but did not reference the poster that said I lack logic and common sense. That's LHCF for ya :drunk:.

No? Ok then.
 

girlonfire

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Okay. I'm just throwing this out there. No one maim me in their head. Real question that i hope was not posed already. Why are we concerned with the white women specifically and their presence or absence from "the m ovement"? I was under the impression that natural hair was a very large umbrella under which all types if hair were inckudes, not indicative of race specifically: healthy unaltered hair which a woman can be proud of whether so fine and poker straight it can't hold a curl or so coarse and kinky that it looks like shoulder length when it's really waist length. I also felt that natural hair was about accepting your hair and it's characteristics regardless of what the popular opinion may be?
Again, not preaching, real question, genuinely confused, didn't read every post, don't maim me, please.
 

girlonfire

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I kind of agree. Why can't we just have something of our own? The second we develop something great in our community, it doesn't take very long before it's no longer ours. Our own culture isn't even respected. Other people always get credit for the things we create. And we willing let it happen.

Non-blacks have no problem excluding us, so why shouldn't we be exclusive as well? The whole natural movement in the grand scheme of things isn't such a big deal. But it just goes to show how inclusive we are as a race. We go out our way to accept everyone when no one bats an eye to accept us.

Wow, i never thought of it like that. You have a real point!
 

girlonfire

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Y'all sure do love white people around here.

I'm saying. Swear it's either "white women do it too" or "that's for white people" or the comical "I've noticed that white people..." Because it's very possible to observe 10-20 individuals and say that their behavior sets the pace for the whole race right?

But yea, again my q is sincere.
 

girlonfire

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LHCF was created because we were pretty much kicked off the white womens board. We all used to post on long hair forum and they were really crappy with the black women. Then they suggested we get our own sub-forum, then they didn't want us there either so Beverly created this board for us. Now they want to sing kumbayah? They have zero desire to "understand" our hair other than to assure themselves that theirs is more desirable...lol. nah, they can stay in their lane IMO.

Wow. I had no idea that this has transpired. Makes me think
 

girlonfire

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I'm sorry but white people have BEEN having a hair movement since they were born. 90% of main characters on TV represent white hair, y'all got hundreds of white actors winning every award from the oscars to BET and yet we (black people) only have 12 academy award winners and 13 oscar winners. White people occupy the most CEO positions and are the most viewed in a good light and have representation literally EVERYWHERE. You can miss me when you want to include white people the small spaces where black people can talk safely and not have to deal with racism amongst other things.

White people were the ones telling us our hair was nappy, out of control, and ghetto!

I don't understand those that feel sympathy, y'all know white people will steal black culture but then turn around and use their white privilege the MOMENT it helps them out, even if that means stepping on our backs.

Wow! You're so right. I didn't even think that they were the whole reason that hair is such a huge thing in the black community. They gave is the word nappy and it's negative connotation. Wow.
 

girlonfire

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You can keep you individuality and not be exclusive. I don't believe we need to be inclusive to our detriment, just find a nice balance. I have been on the LHC forum recently and surprisingly they discuss a lot of the same things we discuss here.

Two wrongs don't make a right and we should not let someone else's bad behavior influence how we act.

Such as...? Are you referencing the non hair topics? Or maybe things regarding, length, hair texture (strand size), moisure, protein?
 
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