U.S. woman's body found in suitcase in Bali

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Ogoma

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^^ they are nuts. They complain about the food in prison, the Indonesian authorities buy them KFC, they complain the Indonesian police is stereotyping them racially for giving them chicken. According to the article, this was a shock to the police because most local people cannot afford KFC.

If she is lucky, she will get 15 years so she should get used to the food. Chances of her getting off are slim to none. Her cushy life is over for a looong time.
 
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C@ssandr@

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What about the pregnancy? She's only 2 months....will they wait until she gives birth?

Man, I don't know if I could sit up there preggers knowing that I'm gonna get executed at the end of my pregnancy :nono:
 
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Ogoma

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She could be convicted of the lesser charge relating to crime of passion, which would mean 15 years. If I had to bet, I think that is what they would get. I think there would be a lot of pressure on Indonesia to not execute Americans (or westerners in general).
 
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Mortons

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Reading the comments on that funding account, it seems many who are donating know the family personally. Which is at least understandable, though still bad.
 
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LaBelleLL

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FlowerHair said:
I just had to come back to this thread. See, this is what happens when you REWARD bad behavior with trips to Bali etc. :nono: It's so sad when people have a perfectly healthy child and decide to ruin its life with bad parenting. All of their lives were ruined. I'm sure the daughter was regularly beating the mom and this time it went out of hand. Now, she'll be pregnant in jail for 9 months and know that she will never be able to raise her child - thank God. Whether she'll be executed or spend life in prison, her child will never be part of her life. I'm sure the boy's parents will try to come with some "our poor son" story, since he seems as callous and spoilt as the girl.
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I can't entirely disagree with this. I don't think the mother made her this way. She did not make her daughter into a person to murder her. I do think the daughter has mental issues/personality disorder so from jump, the mother was not dealing with a healthy child. And the mother, instead of using tough love, tried to win her over. I read somewhere that the mother didn't want to send her to jail bc she didn't think the system would help her, which is in part true.

The daughter got herself into this mess and committed these acts bc she is a bad person and a bad seed. Not bc of her mother or "bad parenting". No one made her this way and certainly not her mother who was spoiling her and probably trying her best as a single mother. It seems as if the mother putting her foot down in some form (not paying the bf's bill) led to her death!

I'm not a mother yet but I have lived long enough and have come across enough bad seeded children, classmates, and even family members where no matter what the parents did - good or bad parenting - those kids were going to turn out rotten with bad habits.
 
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FlowerHair said:
I just had to come back to this thread. See, this is what happens when you REWARD bad behavior with trips to Bali etc. :nono: It's so sad when people have a perfectly healthy child and decide to ruin its life with bad parenting. All of their lives were ruined. I'm sure the daughter was regularly beating the mom and this time it went out of hand. Now, she'll be pregnant in jail for 9 months and know that she will never be able to raise her child - thank God. Whether she'll be executed or spend life in prison, her child will never be part of her life. I'm sure the boy's parents will try to come with some "our poor son" story, since he seems as callous and spoilt as the girl.
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LaBelleLL said:
I can't entirely disagree with this. I don't think the mother made her this way. She did not make her daughter into a person to murder her. I do think the daughter has mental issues/personality disorder so from jump, the mother was not dealing with a healthy child. And the mother, instead of using tough love, tried to win her over. I read somewhere that the mother didn't want to send her to jail bc she didn't think the system would help her, which is in part true. The daughter got herself into this mess and committed these acts bc she is a bad person and a bad seed. Not bc of her mother or "bad parenting". No one made her this way and certainly not her mother who was spoiling her and probably trying her best as a single mother. It seems as if the mother putting her foot down in some form (not paying the bf's bill) led to her death! I'm not a mother yet but I have lived long enough and have come across enough bad seeded children, classmates, and even family members where no matter what the parents did - good or bad parenting - those kids were going to turn out rotten with bad habits.
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Agree with both of you...but whether she was kicking moms arse on the regular because she was spoiled or disturbed...what sensible person would take this child and her boyfriend to Bali?

Mom sounds like a weird type of masochist. Maybe her hubby beat her too which is where her daughter got the idea that it was okay.
 
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ambergirl said:
Agree with both of you...but whether she was kicking moms arse on the regular because she was spoiled or disturbed...what sensible person would take this child and her boyfriend to Bali? Mom sounds like a weird type of masochist. Maybe her hubby beat her too which is where her daughter got the idea that it was okay.
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I think if you are at the end of your rope as a parent you would do that. Maybe the daughter cried and cried and said she would change. That she was sorry for everything and has turned a new leaf. The mother thought ok - let's start over. Then maybe she thought it would be harmless to invite the BF to keep her daughter company. I think one of the most difficult things a parent can do is totally turn their back on their child bc they are just too bad. The mother should have done that but wasn't quite there yet.

Yes there are plenty of things the mother could have done differently im sure. But I cannot agree that that it's the mothers fault or she brought her own death upon herself.

I think the daughter is sick. Like sick in the head.

I have just seen some things and things are not so black and white the way that people are hinting in this thread.
 
Kiowa

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Je Ne Sais Quoi said:
Lord I hate to ask this but, how in the heck did the mother fit inside the suitcase? I just can't even imagine :nono:
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I watch too much IDTV, but you basically fold the person in half, by breaking a few bones, and fit them in...IDK for larger people, you need a saw..
 
ambergirl

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LaBelleLL said:
I think if you are at the end of your rope as a parent you would do that. Maybe the daughter cried and cried and said she would change. That she was sorry for everything and has turned a new leaf. The mother thought ok - let's start over. Then maybe she thought it would be harmless to invite the BF to keep her daughter company. I think one of the most difficult things a parent can do is totally turn their back on their child bc they are just too bad. The mother should have done that but wasn't quite there yet. Yes there are plenty of things the mother could have done differently im sure. But I cannot agree that that it's the mothers fault or she brought her own death upon herself. I think the daughter is sick. Like sick in the head. I have just seen some things and things are not so black and white the way that people are hinting in this thread.
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I think the mom was sick too. Codependency to the max
 
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LaBelleLL

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ambergirl said:
I think the mom was sick too. Codependency to the max
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I can't agree with that. Dealing with a child who obviously has mental issues is the like the end of the world. It's a hard truth to accept and it's not for everyone. I do think she was in denial. That is very clear. But that's what the love for your child, let alone only child, leads you to do - deny the obvious until a certain point.
 
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LaBelleLL said:
I can't entirely disagree with this. I don't think the mother made her this way. She did not make her daughter into a person to murder her. I do think the daughter has mental issues/personality disorder so from jump, the mother was not dealing with a healthy child. And the mother, instead of using tough love, tried to win her over. I read somewhere that the mother didn't want to send her to jail bc she didn't think the system would help her, which is in part true.

The daughter got herself into this mess and committed these acts bc she is a bad person and a bad seed. Not bc of her mother or "bad parenting". No one made her this way and certainly not her mother who was spoiling her and probably trying her best as a single mother. It seems as if the mother putting her foot down in some form (not paying the bf's bill) led to her death!

I'm not a mother yet but I have lived long enough and have come across enough bad seeded children, classmates, and even family members where no matter what the parents did - good or bad parenting - those kids were going to turn out rotten with bad habits.
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It seems to me that this behaviour start BEFORE her father died? Not saying that her mother wasn't trying her best by spoiling her, but she was probably continuing with established parenting behaviour....

Police in Oak Park, Ill., west of Chicago, said they made 86 calls to the Macks' home for a variety of reasons — domestic disturbance, missing person, credit card theft and other issues — between 2004, when Heather was 10, and June 2013.
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Sheila Mack was white, and her husband — composer and arranger James Mack, who died in 2006 — was black.
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ambergirl

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LaBelleLL said:
I can't agree with that. Dealing with a child who obviously has mental issues is the like the end of the world. It's a hard truth to accept and it's not for everyone. I do think she was in denial. That is very clear. But that's what the love for your child, let alone only child, leads you to do - deny the obvious until a certain point.
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I have masochistic mothers like this in my family dealing with unstable behavior due to severe drug addiction. Luckily no physical abuse but emotional abuse for sure. Those moms are just as ill as their kids. Letting your kids whoop on you and break you bones is not love. Under no scenario.

Mom needed mental help as much as her child.
 
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daydreem2876 said:
Somebody else is welcome to school me... but I don't think the US has grounds for extradition. They commited the crime in Bali and are under their jurisdiction. Besides, bring them back here for what? they deserve whatever consequences they get. Hopefully, theres enough money for a good attorney
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Even with a good attorney, the best out come for them is probably life in prison.
 
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Ogoma

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ambergirl said:
I think the mom was sick too. Codependency to the max
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I think the mother was off a bit as well. I read she sold her late husband's highly prized work in a basement sale. She apparently didn't know the value, which makes one wonder how she is married to someone and does not know the value of his work.

I wonder what her late husband's four kids from his earlier marriage think about all of this.
 
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Ogoma said:
I think the mother was off a bit as well. I read she sold her late husband's highly prized work in a basement sale. She apparently didn't know the value, which makes one wonder how she is married to someone and does not know the value of his work.

I wonder what her late husband's four kids from his earlier marriage think about all of this.
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I read somewhere that she did not get on with his family...
 
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UPDATE: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-bali-suitcase-murder-20140919-story.html

An Oak Park man has confessed he killed his girlfriend’s mother in a luxury hotel on Indonesia’s Bali island, and the girlfriend has acknowledged helping him stuff the body into a suitcase, the Associated Press and CNN are reporting.

Heather Mack, 18, and her boyfriend Tommy Schaefer, 21, were arrested in Bali on Aug. 13, a day after the body of Sheila von Wiese-Mack was found in a suitcase inside the trunk of a taxi at the St. Regis Bali Resort.
 
SoopremeBeing

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Ok, so now there's another question:

Did he plan the murder on his own, or did girlfriend pressure him to do it?

It probably doesn't matter because they are not in the U.S. but typically these stories end with "my girlfriend told me to do it."
 
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