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Cattypus1 · Feb 13, 2016

KiWiStyle said:
Thanks you! I'm trying to catch up with you!

You know I said I'd let you know about using Nairobi foam as my styler. That stuff is AWESOME! I can make a twistout last and look good for at least three days with no retwisting. My hair is soft but defined and touchable. There was an incident at work where a colleague pulled my hair. I threatened to hurt him at the moment and later I sent him an email telling him that I didn't want to ever discuss it again but that his behavior was inappropriate and could have resulted in an HR moment. He apologized. BTW...He is of the Caucasian persuasion; weirdest interaction ever with a white guy.

KiWiStyle · Feb 13, 2016

AbsyBlvd said:
My sentiments exactly

Thank you!

KiWiStyle · Feb 13, 2016

Cattypus1 said:
You know I said I'd let you know about using Nairobi foam as my styler. That stuff is AWESOME! I can make a twistout last and look good for at least three days with no retwisting. My hair is soft but defined and touchable. There was an incident at work where a colleague pulled my hair. I threatened to hurt him at the moment and later I sent him an email telling him that I didn't want to ever discuss it again but that his behavior was inappropriate and could have resulted in an HR moment. He apologized. BTW...He is of the Caucasian persuasion; weirdest interaction ever with a white guy.

WTW! Why did he pull your hair, that is unacceptable?!?

What are you using with the nairobi, i.e., leave-in? I tried it the previous two sets and my hair came out nice and defined but not as good as this time. I don't think foam is heavy enough. I used both a heavier and creamy leave-in and twist butter.

Cattypus1 · Feb 13, 2016

KiWiStyle said:
WTW! Why did he pull your hair, that is unacceptable?!?

What are you using with the nairobi, i.e., leave-in? I tried it the previous two sets and my hair came out nice and defined but not as good as this time. I don't think foam is heavy enough. I used both a heavier and creamy leave-in and twist butter.

I think he might have been trying to touch it on the sly but because I was moving away from him at the time it turned into a "pull". So weird. Anyway, I have been using KBB leave-in and the Nairobi foam on t-shirt dried, air dried hair. I add just a little bit if PM SS and I'm good to go. I love that stuff. I can't use a butter because my hair stops moving. The combination of the Nairobi foam and the bit of SS lets it move, even at this length.

KiWiStyle · Feb 13, 2016

Cattypus1 said:
I think he might have been trying to touch it on the sly but because I was moving away from him at the time it turned into a "pull". So weird. Anyway, I have been using KBB leave-in and the Nairobi foam on t-shirt dried, air dried hair. I add just a little bit if PM SS and I'm good to go. I love that stuff. I can't use a butter because my hair stops moving. The combination of the Nairobi foam and the bit of SS lets it move, even at this length.

Well movement isn't a concern for me this early in the game, lol. What's KBB?

Cattypus1 · Feb 13, 2016

KiWiStyle said:
Well movement isn't a concern this earth in the game, lol. What's KBB?

Karen's Body Beautiful-- more expensive than I'd like but I really, really love the products.

shanda · Feb 14, 2016

Hi everyone! I've been a lurker on this forum for years now and I love this thread. I was hoping to get some help with my journey, but seem to realise a few tweaks I could do as I answer the questions. I would like to share anyway and hope for some help and I encourage people to answer the questions just get an overview of what they're doing.
The first pictures are of me when I first started, there is some root to tip definition in some areas. Now, I get more general coils. I feel I need to start steaming consistently to get to where I was before. The last 4 pics are from Fri-Sat, where I accidentally did a Cherry Lola overnight, then clay and then KCCC with some oil. I need to either steam or seal better as my hair dries slow and just seems to lose the moisture slowly as it dries, especially now in the winter.

-I feel like my hair isn't hydrating the way I want it to. I used to feel a lot more coils in the roots before. I cannot seem to find a conditioner to work for me. Most products sit on my hair, including diluted KCKT, which would leave a weird film-like feeling on my hair when I used it. This lead me to buying the TVO products for Christmas. I hadn't really used a leave-in for while and thought it would help. I got the low porosity line, but everything seems to give me flakes or clumps. I tried the products together and on their own. I would baggy with them, everything(except steam). Every time they dried, I get terrible flakes. I've used different products underneath and oils to no avail. If anyone has any tips, please let me know.

Join/Start by Posting
1. Which regimen are you doing? Pinkecube MHM?, DubaiDees Modifed MHM?, AketaFitgirls Original?, DanaB? Other? Please describe..
I think I'm doing a combo of DubaiDee, some of Pinkecube and water only washing
2. When did you start the regimen?
I started in about March-ish 2015 and did the full seven days. Not been consistent at all though
3. How often do you do the method?
I wet my hair almost every day. Pretty much every day unless I have no where to be
4. Benefits seen so far
I enjoyed not having to constantly twist my hair and I can shower with no qualms. I enjoy learning about my hair and texture a lot!
5. Anything else you would like to share.
I use a shower filter as I'm in london and the water is so hard.
6. Starting Photo
7. Current Picture if you have one.
8. List your steps and products. New comers may find this helpful when looking at products and modifications.
1.I will rinse my hair most days or do a quick clay wash. Clay wash atm is 80/20 rhassoul to sodium bentonite, ACV and rosewater
2.I used to use diluted KCKT and KCCC. Now I usually use KCCC and an oil(olive or castor) - I've been trying the TVO low porosity leave in and styler, but I get flakes every time! I used to try rewetting the TVO products for day 2-5 in case they needed to be diluted, but still flakes!
3. I will do a Cherry Lola or TVO Carameltini every week or four. I need to be more consistent I realise more and more as I write this. I have a steamer and it worked so well during the early days. I live in a small flat and hate taking that thing out!

GGsKin · Feb 14, 2016

Hello @shanda, a fellow Londoner? :welcome:

To the thread.

How long do you go between washing/ wetting your hair? (sorry if you've said and I just missed it). Also do you use any other kinds of products; butters, non-approved products etc? Do you use combs?

I can't explain the flakes but the only time my hair flaked was when I used KCCC undiluted.

GGsKin · Feb 15, 2016

I washed my hair last night, starting by conditioning on dry dirty hair with a diluted mix of AOWC + KCKT.

After rinsing, I used a thick milkshake clay mix of rhassoul, calcium bentonite, sodium bentonite, SAA, water, milk and a dash of ACV.

After rinsing, oiling and gelling, I put the top half in two canerows and clipped it up in a banana clip.

faithVA · Feb 15, 2016

shanda said:
Hi everyone! I've been a lurker on this forum for years now and I love this thread. I was hoping to get some help with my journey, but seem to realise a few tweaks I could do as I answer the questions. I would like to share anyway and hope for some help and I encourage people to answer the questions just get an overview of what they're doing.
The first pictures are of me when I first started, there is some root to tip definition in some areas. Now, I get more general coils. I feel I need to start steaming consistently to get to where I was before. The last 4 pics are from Fri-Sat, where I accidentally did a Cherry Lola overnight, then clay and then KCCC with some oil. I need to either steam or seal better as my hair dries slow and just seems to lose the moisture slowly as it dries, especially now in the winter.
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-I feel like my hair isn't hydrating the way I want it to. I used to feel a lot more coils in the roots before. I cannot seem to find a conditioner to work for me. Most products sit on my hair, including diluted KCKT, which would leave a weird film-like feeling on my hair when I used it. This lead me to buying the TVO products for Christmas. I hadn't really used a leave-in for while and thought it would help. I got the low porosity line, but everything seems to give me flakes or clumps. I tried the products together and on their own. I would baggy with them, everything(except steam). Every time they dried, I get terrible flakes. I've used different products underneath and oils to no avail. If anyone has any tips, please let me know.

Join/Start by Posting
1. Which regimen are you doing? Pinkecube MHM?, DubaiDees Modifed MHM?, AketaFitgirls Original?, DanaB? Other? Please describe..
I think I'm doing a combo of DubaiDee, some of Pinkecube and water only washing
2. When did you start the regimen?
I started in about March-ish 2015 and did the full seven days. Not been consistent at all though
3. How often do you do the method?
I wet my hair almost every day. Pretty much every day unless I have no where to be
4. Benefits seen so far
I enjoyed not having to constantly twist my hair and I can shower with no qualms. I enjoy learning about my hair and texture a lot!
5. Anything else you would like to share.
I use a shower filter as I'm in london and the water is so hard.
6. Starting Photo
7. Current Picture if you have one.
8. List your steps and products. New comers may find this helpful when looking at products and modifications.
1.I will rinse my hair most days or do a quick clay wash. Clay wash atm is 80/20 rhassoul to sodium bentonite, ACV and rosewater
2.I used to use diluted KCKT and KCCC. Now I usually use KCCC and an oil(olive or castor) - I've been trying the TVO low porosity leave in and styler, but I get flakes every time! I used to try rewetting the TVO products for day 2-5 in case they needed to be diluted, but still flakes!
3. I will do a Cherry Lola or TVO Carameltini every week or four. I need to be more consistent I realise more and more as I write this. I have a steamer and it worked so well during the early days. I live in a small flat and hate taking that thing out!

Before you starting using the TVO products did you use a clarifying shampoo to start?

After you apply your leave-in, have you tried wearing a plastic cap for about 10 minutes to let it soak in?

You hair looks and sounds similar to mine. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be much help. I've been doing MHM for at least 2 years and don't have much more to show for it than when I started. The good news is my hair is softer and more hydrated than it was 2 years ago. But I don't have more definition. And when it dries, it dries into a fluff. I still have to twist my hair.

KiWiStyle · Feb 15, 2016

@faithVA I have not much to show for it either...when I use the clay on loose hair, my hair knots and tangles like nobody's business. My coils are temporary more defined but that come with a detangling nightmare.

faithVA · Feb 15, 2016

KiWiStyle said:
@faithVA I have not much to show for it either...when I use the clay on loose hair, my hair knots and tangles like nobody's business. My coils are temporary more defined but that come with a detangling nightmare.

Do they detangling with all clays rhassoul and sodium bentonite? My hair only tangles with the calcium bentonite.

KiWiStyle · Feb 15, 2016

faithVA said:
Do they detangling with all clays rhassoul and sodium bentonite? My hair only tangles with the calcium bentonite.

I mix the Rhassoul and Calcium...next time I'll try it with Rhassoul only. Thanks!

faithVA · Feb 15, 2016

KiWiStyle said:
I mix the Rhassoul and Calcium...next time I'll try it with Rhassoul only. Thanks!

Not sure how many tablespoons you use, last time I did 4 T rhassoul and 1 T of calcium. Whatever measurement you used, just trying using 1 less tablespoon of calcium until you get a good balance.

shanda · Feb 16, 2016

AbsyBlvd said:
Hello @shanda, a fellow Londoner? To the thread.

How long do you go between washing/ wetting your hair? (sorry if you've said and I just missed it). Also do you use any other kinds of products; butters, non-approved products etc? Do you use combs?

I can't explain the flakes but the only time my hair flaked was when I used KCCC undiluted.

Thanks for all the help! So glad to hear the replies

Hi! Great to know there's a fellow Londoner here! I've read the whole thing,can't believe I missed that.

I tend to wet my hair every day. I try to do a clay rinse/wash( it's quite liquidly) every 3 days or so.
I use oil under the TVO products, but not any other unapproved products.

I don't use combs regularly, but every few months if I feel stuck and like I'm not detangling properly, I will go in with a comb.

shanda · Feb 16, 2016

faithVA said:
Before you starting using the TVO products did you use a clarifying shampoo to start?

After you apply your leave-in, have you tried wearing a plastic cap for about 10 minutes to let it soak in?

You hair looks and sounds similar to mine. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be much help. I've been doing MHM for at least 2 years and don't have much more to show for it than when I started. The good news is my hair is softer and more hydrated than it was 2 years ago. But I don't have more definition. And when it dries, it dries into a fluff. I still have to twist my hair.

Yeah, I clarified before I used the products for the first time. I've also tried the plastic cap, but I fell asleep with it on and took it off in the morning. Maybe I should try it for a shorter time.

On Monday I did a clay rinse and added some carrot seed oil. I applied the TVO leave-in and rewet my hair, then I applied the TVO custard and rewet my hair again. I did a [failed] roller set and still came out with flakes. Maybe it just doesn't work for me. My hair can have such particular likes. She wants what she wants!, I just haven't figured it out yet! :drunk:

Just did a workout and I'm going to steam tonight. My hair felt much softer when I steamed regularly! Need to do this at least once a week starting NOW!

faithVA · Feb 16, 2016

shanda said:
Yeah, I clarified before I used the products for the first time. I've also tried the plastic cap, but I fell asleep with it on and took it off in the morning. Maybe I should try it for a shorter time.

On Monday I did a clay rinse and added some carrot seed oil. I applied the TVO leave-in and rewet my hair, then I applied the TVO custard and rewet my hair again. I did a [failed] roller set and still came out with flakes. Maybe it just doesn't work for me. My hair can have such particular likes. She wants what she wants!, I just haven't figured it out yet!

Just did a workout and I'm going to steam tonight. My hair felt much softer when I steamed regularly! Need to do this at least once a week starting NOW!

Using an oil before a leave in isn't a good idea. The oil tries to fill the cuticle and keep everything else out. The leave in is meant to soak into the strand's. It can't soak in because the oil is blocking. Then the styler sits in top of the leave in which is sitting on top of the oil. Nothing has soaked into your hair and everything is sitting on the surface.

Leave the oil until after the styler or after you hair is dry. You may not need it at all.

High porosity ladies can often get away with using an oil first. You don't sound like you are high porosity.

I'm guessing you didn't get the tvo cowash.

faithVA · Feb 16, 2016

faithVA said:
Using an oil before a leave in isn't a good idea. The oil tries to fill the cuticle and keep everything else out. The leave in is meant to soak into the strand's. It can't soak in because the oil is blocking. Then the styler sits in top of the leave in which is sitting on top of the oil. Nothing has soaked into your hair and everything is sitting on the surface.

Since you have the whole line, maybe start from scratch , clarify carmeltini, mud, etc and keep us in the loop. Go light on the leave-in, baggy and then a light layer of styler.

aharri23 · Feb 19, 2016

Revisited KCCC, the stuff is amazing when you use it right (in the shower on soaking wet hair) I been letting my hair dry too much before applying it and I kept getting crap results.

LavenderMint · Feb 20, 2016

Does anyone here use any ecostyler gels?

astralpeck · Feb 22, 2016

faithVA said:
I would agree with her about it not being common for curly hair to be low porosity. When I first came on this board and described my hair all I got was crickets. Most people were not experiencing anything like it. There were products for normal porosity and even the roux porosity control for high porosity but nothing for low porosity.

Once we started talking about it on the board more people joined the low porosity group but many of them are high porosity based on their descriptions. Many people doing MHM aren't low porosity which is why there are so many different modifications.

There are just a few of us.

I have always felt that a lot of people are erroneously on the low po band wagon after the hair not sinking in water test...which unfortunately stirs so many in the wrong direction.

faithVA · Feb 22, 2016

astralpeck said:
I have always felt that a lot of people are erroneously on the low po band wagon after the hair not sinking in water test...which unfortunately stirs so many in the wrong direction.

I dislike that test. But it's hard to convince people that they aren't low porosity once they believe they are. And the more videos people make about it the more peoe believe in the test. I think more people are high porosity than low porosity.

faithVA · Feb 22, 2016

aharri23 said:
Revisited KCCC, the stuff is amazing when you use it right (in the shower on soaking wet hair) I been letting my hair dry too much before applying it and I kept getting crap results.

Hey stranger. Thanks for the update.

aharri23 · Feb 23, 2016

faithVA said:
Hey stranger. Thanks for the update.

Haha you're too funny! Hows everything going? I need to do a clay mask it's been a while..

faithVA · Feb 23, 2016

aharri23 said:
Haha you're too funny! Hows everything going? I need to do a clay mask it's been a while..

Everything's the same here. I need to slide by your site so I can see your hair.

KiWiStyle · Feb 25, 2016

I just did the porosity test several times and then came here to post my findings not knowing that was the topic of the day!

I tested 3 strands for 5 minutes each. 2 floated at the top while 1 sank immediately. I did them again and the 1 that sank immediately floated in the middle, 1 floated on top aND the other is sitting at the bottom.
I concluded the glass of water test is a huge joke and cannot be relied upon. I still don't know my hair's porosity and don't know what products definitively work or don't work. I'm screwe...I am going to purchase the hair analysis. Does anyone have a coupon code I can borrow?

LdyKamz · Feb 25, 2016

This may be a really dumb question but I'm just starting this regimen and I'm not sure if I'm supposed to do the acv rinse every single day for the first 7 days. Is that right? I know the Cherry Lola Treatment is supposed to be done on the first day only if you are going to do it and it replaces the clarifying step when you do.

But if you aren't doing that treatment and just going to step 1:clarify - is that supposed to be your first step every day? Again this might be a totally ridiculous question. I just wanted to make sure I'm not sabotaging myself before I start.

faithVA · Feb 25, 2016

KiWiStyle said:
I just did the porosity test several times and then came here to post my findings not knowing that was the topic of the day!

I tested 3 strands for 5 minutes each. 2 floated at the top while 1 sank immediately. I did them again and the 1 that sank immediately floated in the middle, 1 floated on top aND the other is sitting at the bottom.
I concluded the glass of water test is a huge joke and cannot be relied upon. I still don't know my hair's porosity and don't know what products definitively work or don't work. I'm screwe...I am going to purchase the hair analysis. Does anyone have a coupon code I can borrow?

I think you will be pleased with the analysis. It will at least give you definititive answers about your hair.

My referral code is I1K46I

faithVA · Feb 25, 2016

Yes yo

KammyGirl said:
This may be a really dumb question but I'm just starting this regimen and I'm not sure if I'm supposed to do the acv rinse every single day for the first 7 days. Is that right? I know the Cherry Lola Treatment is supposed to be done on the first day only if you are going to do it and it replaces the clarifying step when you do.

But if you aren't doing that treatment and just going to step 1:clarify - is that supposed to be your first step every day? Again this might be a totally ridiculous question. I just wanted to make sure I'm not sabotaging myself before I start.

I am assuming you are following Pinkecubes method. If so, Yes you clarify with the ACV every wash day. You will do it for the 7 straight days and then it is the first step when you wash every 3 days.

KiWiStyle · Feb 25, 2016

faithVA said:
I think you will be pleased with the analysis. It will at least give you definititive answers about your hair.

My referral code is I1K46I

Awesome, thank you so very much!!!

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