Random Hair Thoughts/Thinking out loud

CodeRed · Jul 28, 2017

Dayjoy said:
What?!?!? WOW!!!

It was hard. Really hard. It's been in the making since before I joined this forum :lol:

I've learned my hair doesn't really like all natural boutique products or super inexpensive products consistently. Sally's is a good place for me to get all my stuff at a reasonable price and I've tried pretty much every conditioner in there so that'll be my go-to store. I can get other stuff here too so getting the Sally's card discount is beneficial all around.

Anaisin · Jul 28, 2017

They kill me with these ads

Hope some of the PJs come back to YouTube to review this line

Ty Ty · Jul 28, 2017

CodeRed said:
I think I'm recovering from product junkism. I only have 6 products in my stash and since my conditioner is almost gone I need to go buy some next month. I feel good

I thought I was the only one who was trying to narrow down hair products in my bathroom ... lol...I few good products is ALL that's needed. Most of my clutter was conditioners. I FINALLY found what I needed

YvetteWithJoy · Jul 29, 2017

Having a blast at this natural hair expo.

The swag bag rocks!

Only problem: LHCF has made me toooooooooo knowledgeable. It was hard sitting and listening to incomplete or erroneous answers. The speaker had never heard of henna and was asked about it. She just graduated from hair school. She's a good style creator, though!

Colocha · Jul 29, 2017

YvetteWithJoy said:
Only problem: LHCF has made me toooooooooo knowledgeable. It was hard sitting and listening to incomplete or erroneous answers.

I have the same issue. I have a friend with relaxed hair and I cringed silently when she told me her stylist pulled her relaxer through all her hair and that she pops off split ends with her fingernails.

Ty Ty · Jul 29, 2017

Colocha said:
I have the same issue. I have a friend with relaxed hair and I cringed silently when she told me her stylist pulled her relaxer through all her hair and that she pops off split ends with her fingernails.

Pops off split ends with her finger nails :laugh:

... that's hilarious!! That's a new one for me

spacetygrss · Jul 29, 2017

My hair feels sooooo goodt right now! Just plump, juicy, moisturized and whatnot!

vevster · Jul 29, 2017

I now do 2 pineapples. Works out better when moisturizing and styling. :up:

CodeRed · Jul 29, 2017

Colocha said:
I have the same issue. I have a friend with relaxed hair and I cringed silently when she told me her stylist pulled her relaxer through all her hair and that she pops off split ends with her fingernails.

Who does this? Like ever?

Between this story and the one about some hair dresser pulling the relaxer all the way through then sitting the girl under the dryer to make it work faster... I don't even know man. Like whodafuqaredesepeople.

YvetteWithJoy · Jul 29, 2017

More misinformation in the third hair conference session.

The second session was about going from vision to action and was FABULOUS.

I won the very last prize: $50!

PJaye · Jul 29, 2017

YvetteWithJoy said:
More misinformation in the third hair conference session.

The second session was about going from vision to action and was FABULOUS.

I won the very last prize: $50!

Yay!!!

YvetteWithJoy · Jul 29, 2017

The third speaker said afro textured hair is not meant to wear gel. Someone needs to inform Camille Rose Naturals, Mielle Organics, TGIN, Eco Styler . . .

She says I don't need any protein, and she said mouse with a little oil and glycerin will give me an elongated wng.

Saludable84 · Jul 29, 2017

YvetteWithJoy said:
The third speaker said afro textured hair is not meant to wear gel. Someone needs to inform Camille Rose Naturals, Mielle Organics, TGIN, Eco Styler . . .

She says I don't need any protein, and she said mouse with a little oil and glycerin will give me an elongated wng.

That's why you need to your own research. Misinformation can be very damaging.

Also, how should you not wear gel but use mousse? Did you ask her to explain?

Sharpened · Jul 29, 2017

YvetteWithJoy said:
The third speaker said afro textured hair is not meant to wear gel. Someone needs to inform Camille Rose Naturals, Mielle Organics, TGIN, Eco Styler . . .

She says I don't need any protein, and she said mouse with a little oil and glycerin will give me an elongated wng.

Sounds like her knowledge is stuck in the 90s.

YvetteWithJoy · Jul 29, 2017

Saludable84 said:
That's why you need to your own research. Misinformation can be very damaging.

Also, how should you not wear gel but use mousse? Did you ask her to explain?

I didn't get to because she has 30 years experience in labs making hair products. :smile:

She had her explanation ready! Type 1 hair is made for gel because gel is meant for completely flat surfaces.

She asked me why someone with hair like mine in good condition would use protein. I explained: My hair is NATURALLY hipo. If I skip protein for too long, it breaks.

She would not have it. I just need moisture. She could glean this from feeling the hair in my crown versus my ends, because my ends weren't as moisturized.

After the gel comment, I didn't have the energy to explain: I didn't brush moisture through my ponytail puff, just scrunched. That was why it was slightly less moisturized but definitely not dry!

She wears her short, thin natural hair flat ironed with weave.

The killer? She told this gorgeous 4c lady that she could not possibly have worn a straw set, when the lady said she had!!! How you gon' . . . nevermind. :nono:

AgeinATL · Jul 30, 2017

YvetteWithJoy said:
She wears her short, thin natural hair flat ironed with weave.

How in the HEEZY are you gonna teach me about hair care with a head full of short, thin, heat damaged hair?!

Anaisin · Jul 30, 2017

MilkChocolateOne · Jul 30, 2017

Saludable84 said:
That's why you need to your own research. Misinformation can be very damaging.

Also, how should you not wear gel but use mousse? Did you ask her to explain?

dry damaged hair or poor self styling results will keep customers in her chair

Sharpened · Jul 30, 2017

Anaisin said:

¿Qué?

Why is she trimming the newer, shorter hairs? Is this person prone to damaged ends throughout the hair? Are flyaways considered to be damaged?

MilkChocolateOne · Jul 30, 2017

Sharpened said:
Sounds like her knowledge is stuck in the 90s.

or limited to what is taught in cosmetology school, which is nothing, some make it up as they go along or believe what is taught to them by their mentors. Milady Standard Cosmetology has zero information about healthy hair care practices. It teaches nothing about textured hair. The book tells about basic science, chemical services and styling techniques. Cosmetologist are experts at styling not care. Those who know about caring for hair learned those skills on their own.

Saludable84 · Jul 30, 2017

YvetteWithJoy said:
She wears her short, thin natural hair flat ironed with weave.

You should have started with this. Clearly, we see how not using protein is working for her. No other explanation was needed. I don't care how many years experience she has in a lab, I would never take advice from her.

Ever.

Nightingale · Jul 30, 2017

Anaisin said:

So.... Flyaway hair can have splits therefore they need trimming too?

I guess that's true, but how can be sure she isn't creating more "flyaways" when doing this?

Saludable84 · Jul 30, 2017

Anaisin said:

I'm guessing it's being done to make the hair look neat and possibly reduce frizz as well a dust the ends of the hair that are still growing back. Unless it's that bad, it seems a bit OCD to me.

imaginary · Jul 30, 2017

Sharpened said:
¿Qué?

Why is she trimming the newer, shorter hairs? Is this person prone to damaged ends throughout the hair? Are flyaways considered to be damaged?

Fly-aways aren't always just the shorter pieces, sometimes they're split ends/damaged ends. Most likely, she's doing this for aesthetic. Minimize frizziness etc etc.

Saludable84 · Jul 30, 2017

@YvetteWithJoy i also wanted to add that feeling the crown means she may also have been feeling hair closer to your scalp. It would likely be more moisturized versus your ends which, for anyone, are more prone to dryness because it's farther from the scalp. Which is why a lot of us, especially myself, with longer hair, are concerned with extra sealing on the ends.

Not attacking you, lol, but just for you to think about for the next time. This is why I stopped going to hair meets.

I went to a few before my transition and one I went to with Bella Kinks, I mean, she was "knowledgeable" but I also got the impression she was trying to get more information out of us and not really telling us anything new.

MilkChocolateOne · Jul 30, 2017

YvetteWithJoy said:
The third speaker said afro textured hair is not meant to wear gel. Someone needs to inform Camille Rose Naturals, Mielle Organics, TGIN, Eco Styler . . .

She says I don't need any protein, and she said mouse with a little oil and glycerin will give me an elongated wng.

glycerin for elongation?

She doesn't know what she's talking about. Glycerin can provide moisture for some people but it can also encourage frizz and shrinkage depending on the product formulation and humidity.

MilkChocolateOne · Jul 30, 2017

YvetteWithJoy said:
I didn't get to because she has 30 years experience in labs making hair products. She had her explanation ready! Type 1 hair is made for gel because gel is meant for completely flat surfaces.

She asked me why someone with hair like mine in good condition would use protein. I explained: My hair is NATURALLY hipo. If I skip protein for too long, it breaks.

She would not have it. I just need moisture. She could glean this from feeling the hair in my crown versus my ends, because my ends weren't as moisturized.

After the gel comment, I didn't have the energy to explain: I didn't brush moisture through my ponytail puff, just scrunched. That was why it was slightly less moisturized but definitely not dry!

She wears her short, thin natural hair flat ironed with weave.

The killer? She told this gorgeous 4c lady that she could not possibly have worn a straw set, when the lady said she had!!! How you gon' . . . nevermind.

this is why they "hate" hair boards and youtube. Forums and youtube provide real life examples that debunk some of the nonsense they try teach. There is a reason why some of the products from natural boutique hair companies produce better results for many naturals. There was a need for effective products that catered to our hair needs and styling methods. I'm not trying to minimize her 30 years of lab experience but the products available to us for the majority of those years were harsh shampoos, grease, cholesterol conditioner, curl activator gels/sprays, brown gel, pump it up, mousse and pink oil lotion.

Colocha · Jul 30, 2017

Split my twists in two and bantu knotted the two sections. I actually got a twistout that touched my shoulders and stayed there despite Caribbean humidity. Tried to add a photo but I'm getting error messages.

Saludable84 · Jul 30, 2017

MilkChocolateOne said:
glycerin for elongation?

She doesn't know what she's talking about. Glycerin can provide moisture for some people but it can also encourage frizz and shrinkage depending on the product formulation and humidity.

MilkChocolateOne said:
this is why they "hate" hair boards and youtube. Forums and youtube provide real life examples that debunk some of the nonsense they try teach. There is a reason why some of the products from natural boutique hair companies produce better results for many naturals. There was a need for effective products that catered to our hair needs and styling methods. I'm not trying to minimize her 30 years of lab experience but the products available to us for the majority of those years were harsh shampoos, grease, cholesterol conditioner, curl activator gels/sprays, brown gel, pump it up, mousse and pink oil lotion.

Everything you said.

I didn't have coffee when I first read everything and I had to stop myself. I felt better after I had a cookie. I wanted to go in, but I'm not me without caffeine.

Stick with us @YvetteWithJoy

YvetteWithJoy · Jul 30, 2017

I felt bad because I initially was SO excited to get into the session. I wanted to ask her about very particular ingredients.

She annoyed the HELL out of me in 5 minutes flat. She put up that 1a to 4c chart, so people started asking her to ID their curl pattern. I mentioned the augmented LOIS method to the ladies near me, because she was just straight NOT giving people answers.

She sells products that she says give Type 4 hair shine. She says we never should have left petroleum. (I'm fine with trying it).

She told a lady with crunchy but beautiful 4a hair that her use of Hawaiian Silky 14-in-1 was the problem--because it gave crunch and not moisture. Lady was taken aback! She said, "It's moist under the crunch," scrunched out the crunch, and said "See?" The expert couldn't hear it.

At the end, we were advised to stop looking online for information and help.

I felt so bad for all the people who were misled to be fearful of gel and other perfectly fine practices and products. :nono:

She applied some of her product to a lady's head and told us to see the new shine. :lachen:

I'll see if I can link her product line once I'm home. I'd feel disrespectful just dropping her name. :smile:

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