Youtube Broke My Hair!! Devastating Set Back

SAPNK

SAPNK

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Wow. That's awful. I feel so bad for her.
I think she's great and enjoy her videos, but she's right. She should have just done what she usually does instead of trying to sell a certain (shiny :() look that isn't even normal for her.

Not sure why the ecostyler did that to her hair. Maybe the ecostyler + the Shea moisture had a weird reaction. Now I'm scared, because I have the Argan ES although I've never used Shea moisture before.

Also, she shouldn't blame YouTube. She says she's not, but she is. She should use this time to reflect on why she felt so compelled to do something she wouldn't normally do, knowing that shes supposed to be showing people what SHE does to grow her hair, and not just selling a dream or an aesthetic.

I'll continue to support and I hope her hair recovers.
 
ms.blue

ms.blue

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Very unfortunate that happened to her but the first couple of minutes was unnecessary dramatic....like get to the point. Maybe it was the pH of the gel or maybe the shampoo/conditioner messd with her hair. Keracare moisturizing shampoo which is supposed to be pH balanced would tangle my hair from root to tip. Anyway, she should trim and focus on regrowing her hair.
 
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Dee Raven

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In addition to what you all have said, I question her detangling method. I watched her video detangling her moms hair, and she looked like she was ripping the knotted hair apart. If I were to do that on my hair it would rip out. I know she said that her hair was strong, but I do have questions about that. Either way, it does suck for her. Fortunately she has a lot of hair.
 
LovingLady

LovingLady

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Soaring Eagle said:
What are thoughts and feelings about this video?
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She has never used gel and that particular shea moisture shampoo before. Her hair most likely didn't like the combination of products, something similar happened to me. I took this as a reminder: don't experiment with products unnecessarily.

The 19 minute mark summarizes that happened.
 
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Soaring Eagle

Soaring Eagle

Singin’ the praises of the baggy method
Here is my take:

When I saw the title, “YouTube broke my hair”, I rolled my eyes. However, after watching the video in its entirety I actually had a little bit of tears in my eyes. My hair is no where near as long as hers (not yet anyways), but I know I would be absolutely devastated if the same thing were to happen to my hair, even at the length that it is now, because I have worked hard to achieve this length and thickness.

Not everyone wants or cares to have long hair and those who don’t will see this video as an over reaction. Her reaction, in my opinion, is suitable for someone who worked hard to get her hair that long and healthy, just to have it all taken away by making one mistake.

ETA: I don’t think I would be able to “get to the point” either, if my hair went from being thick, and tbl to thin, broken, much shorter and in need of a serious trim (maybe even a cut).
 
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LushLox

LushLox

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I watched most of it which is unusual for me.

I feel her devastation and pain, very sorry for her. I'm glad early on that she said that it's not anyone else's fault but her own though, as harsh as that may sound. I too rolled my eyes at the video title but glad that she explained what she meant.

I have to say I cringed when she talked about the clarifying shampoo, I thought that would be a problem alongside that gel.
 
Soaring Eagle

Soaring Eagle

Singin’ the praises of the baggy method
The video was understandably long. A 5 minute video would not have suffice for something so devastating. It would also not give a true representation of her feelings towards what happened to her hair. I am happy that she took her time. It’s sad that people expected her to just “get to the point” over something that she worked so hard on.
 
kxlot79

kxlot79

Kitchen Mixtress
I actually watched through to the end. I found the story captivating, but more because it was of someone who obviously has solid and good hair habits to fall to catastrophe. Someone with less spectacular hair to begin with wouldn’t surprise me as much if they fell to some kind of public persona pressure.
I have been a fan of hers since she started her channel but have always seriously questioned her detangling methods. Someone in the comments summed it up very nicely. I’ll repost.
If any of you are familiar with Cipriana or her twin sister (who I believe has freeform locs), I’m like 90% sure her hair is only about 50% detangled, probably a lot less. But then Idk her personally so maybe I’m wrong.
But I have noticed a lot of long to super long Type 4 Naturals have questionable detangling practices.
Her hair hardly ever seemed more than 60-70% detangled from what I saw. That hair might be detangled enough for a Shea butter aided stretched twistout. Or even a tension method blow out. But that is nowhere near the same detangling required for a chase method flat iron or (I hate to say it) GEL. Of any kind. Gel shouldn’t be used on hair less than 90% detangled. But that’s just my opinion.
Sad to see she learned this lesson so catastrophically.
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YvetteWithJoy

YvetteWithJoy

On break
Rough. I'd really be hurting.

I just twisted my hair in cream and Shea butter, and the following day I applied Black Castor and Flaxseed Oil Eco Style gel on top. All is well. Extremely well. I wonder what exactly was the reason her hair matted? Boy. Root to tip damage, too. I'm sad for her. She will need to embark on a somewhat lengthy recovery journey. Wishing her recovery hopefulness, grace, determination, and power.
 
SmilingElephant

SmilingElephant

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kxlot79 said:
Gel shouldn’t be used on hair less than 90% detangled. But that’s just my opinion.
Sad to see she learned this lesson so catastrophically.
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These are facts. I have been using EcoStyler for 8 years now in my wash n gos and I know, even with my looser curls, it has to be THOROUGHLY detangled, coated in leave-in/oil and then rake the gel through. If you leave ANY knots behind and put gel on it...kiss them strands good bye, or take your time to pick them out :nono: Especially when your hair is MBL and longer.

Once you hit that dream length, stick to one thing and one thing only. Whatever you did to get to the length you want, stick with that method as much as possible.

ETA: She might also be highly protein sensitive :( Or has too much protein in her hair.
 
spacetygrss

spacetygrss

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kxlot79 said:
I actually watched through to the end. I found the story captivating, but more because it was of someone who obviously has solid and good hair habits to fall to catastrophe. Someone with less spectacular hair to begin with wouldn’t surprise me as much if they fell to some kind of public persona pressure.
I have been a fan of hers since she started her channel but have always seriously questioned her detangling methods. Someone in the comments summed it up very nicely. I’ll repost.
If any of you are familiar with Cipriana or her twin sister (who I believe has freeform locs), I’m like 90% sure her hair is only about 50% detangled, probably a lot less. But then Idk her personally so maybe I’m wrong.
But I have noticed a lot of long to super long Type 4 Naturals have questionable detangling practices.
Her hair hardly ever seemed more than 60-70% detangled from what I saw. That hair might be detangled enough for a Shea butter aided stretched twistout. Or even a tension method blow out. But that is nowhere near the same detangling required for a chase method flat iron or (I hate to say it) GEL. Of any kind. Gel shouldn’t be used on hair less than 90% detangled. But that’s just my opinion.
Sad to see she learned this lesson so catastrophically.
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:yep:

I actually think that she said in one of her videos that she doesn't worry about getting all of the tangles out of her hair because it's a waste of time because it's fighting against her hair type (clearly, I'm paraphrasing). This may be correct overall since her hair was long and fabulous before this point, but not if adding the gel to the mix

I feel really bad for her. I'd be devastated.
 
kxlot79

kxlot79

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I mean, clearly what she was doing worked for her. I’m not pro 100% detangled hair at all times by any means.
But many long to super long Type 4s are notorious for “thick” hair that’s really mostly SHED hair.
Like @SmilingElephant said, once you get to that dream length, you pretty much gotta stick to whatever got you there.
Meaning, if her 60% detangled, Shea butter and oily hair is how she got to TBL, adding gel to 60% detangled hair wasn’t veering a little off course, but WAY WAY off course. It was far from her wheelhouse.
I’d have been curious/horrified to watch her use that Revlon paddle brush blow dryer that’s so popular right now.
spacetygrss said:
:yep:

I actually think that she said in one of her videos that she doesn't worry about getting all of the tangles out of her hair because it's a waste of time because it's fighting against her hair type (clearly, I'm paraphrasing). This may be correct overall since her hair was long and fabulous before this point, but not if adding the gel to the mix

I feel really bad for her. I'd be devastated.
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kxlot79

kxlot79

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My reaction was empathy, shock, and horror.
I didn’t want to be so blunt that I’d come across callous or mean spirited but...
When it’s all said and done, you don’t want to thoroughly detangled your TBL hair? Fine and dandy! You want to use GEL on long hair that isn’t thoroughly detangled? So you also want a broken off/matted hair disaster, right?:(
I’m kinda offended on behalf of Ecostyler. So many hair fails are a result of user error. Why we gotta blame gels for doing what gels do? There’s a million videos of people successfully using all kinds of gel. And in not one of the thousands I’ve watched have I seen hair that wasn’t thoroughly detangled or loose/fine get styled with gel...
Do we really need a PSA on not using gel on tangled hair??
 
spacetygrss

spacetygrss

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kxlot79 said:
I mean, clearly what she was doing worked for her. I’m not pro 100% detangled hair at all times by any means.
But many long to super long Type 4s are notorious for “thick” hair that’s really mostly SHED hair.
Like @SmilingElephant said, once you get to that dream length, you pretty much gotta stick to whatever got you there.
Meaning, if her 60% detangled, Shea butter and oily hair is how she got to TBL, adding gel to 60% detangled hair wasn’t veering a little off course, but WAY WAY off course. It was far from her wheelhouse.
I’d have been curious/horrified to watch her use that Revlon paddle brush blow dryer that’s so popular right now.
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I agree 100%. You have to stick with what works for you.

This year will make 17 years natural for me. What I've learned is simple: Stick with what you know. I love trying things, but like someone else said, typically most of my "new" stuff is extremely similar to my tried and true products. Seriously, every time I have hair issues it's because I didn't follow my own rules for my hair. I truly feel bad for her.
 
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LdyKamz

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Soaring Eagle said:
The video was understandably long. A 5 minute video would not have suffice for something so devastating. It would also not give a true representation of her feelings towards what happened to her hair. I am happy that she took her time. It’s sad that people expected her to just “get to the point” over something that she worked so hard on.
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Speaking personally I'm not watching a movie. I'm watching a YouTube video for the story, tutorial, product rec or review and that's it. All the dramatic pauses, veering off topic, extra extra details are not for me. But again this is just my opinion. I'm watching on my phone and can't even skip ahead to get to the details unless I leave the forum and go to YouTube so I usually just x out of videos like that. This isn't insensitivity to what happened to her. Not in the least. From what people are saying in the thread it sucks she had the setback. But these are legitimate concerns/complaints people have about YouTube videos. That's why even hair tutorials are heavily edited. Anyway, let me stop derailing this thread. Hope her hair recovers.
 
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