Would you still go to Starbucks if this situation happened to you or one of your family members?
Starbucks Discrimination
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grabbing life by the pussy
but she looked like a fellow person of color?
nubiangoddess3
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but she looked like a fellow person of color?
I'm shocked. Non-black POC discriminating against a black person.
What happen to POC united.. Oh yes, I remember it's only one sided.
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Menina Preta
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You are correct in stating that we all have a right to our own opinions and in my opinion, you seem to express sentiments that are anti-Black on a regular basis.
Anyhow, there's no need to raise your blood pressure over our dialogue so, inhale, release, relax, repeat..
Since I don't want to get this informative and productive thread shut down, I'll end by saying:
What a wonderful thing that it is
to be Young, Gifted, and Black."
Have a nice life...bye!
Right. So you asking if I’m AA was meant to be productive? Don’t rely on stereotypical narratives as a way to try to explain away others’ view points. And my blood pressure was not raised at all. Just because I don’t agree with boycotting an entire corporation over the actions of a low level employee, it doesn’t make me ignorant of the civil rights movement and the methods employed nor does it mean this trope of the docile Black immigrant is applicable to me.
We can choose what we support and don’t support and respect the other person’s decision without inferring what you inferred. So girl bye to you too.
nubiangoddess3
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Theresamonet
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Pretending that I feel any sort of need to go to Starbucks at all...
If it happened to me, I would continue to go to other Starbucks locations as I saw fit... once my lawsuit was settled. After I received my settlement, I may even continue go to that very Starbucks to sit smugly and use their free WiFi.
If it happened to a family member, I’d let them decide what we do. I still wouldn’t automatically feel that ALL Starbucks needed to be boycotted, but if they did, that’s what we’d be doing as a family.
My opinion that this isn’t boycott worthy is not based on my thinking nothing wrong happened. But I don’t think the actions of a low level employee, who was acting on her own biases, and not enforcing inherently racist policies, warrants a total company boycott. Starbucks overall is not a problematic company from my understanding and experience. And unlike other companies who’ve been in hot water recently, I don’t feel like Starbucks tried to skirt responsibility. Their CEO jumped in right away to publicly apologize, wants to apologize face to face with the victims (im sure some money will exchange hands), fired the employee, has vowed to re-examine how all of their employees and locations are operating as race and inclusiveness are concerned... what would we be attempting to accomplish with a boycott at this point?
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I always thought they hired the black female COO because of their elitist towny liberal image so they could convey that we are the world look as a business. I never ever even before this incident felt like Starbucks walked that talk.
I always thought they hired the black female COO because of their elitist towny liberal image so they could convey that we are the world look as a business. I never ever even before this incident felt like Starbucks walked that talk.
Theresamonet
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Can you explain what you mean by “elitist towny liberal image”? Are you trying to say uppity? I’m getting a little stuck on “towny”.
scoobygirl
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I think the boycotts and media attention do have purpose. Starbucks seemed content to brush this under the rug if not for the story going viral. They were hiding behind policy at first. So for that alone something was done. However I think a list of demands with the boycott may be more effective in the long wrong: Public apology from CEO, firing of manager, mandatory retraining of all managers and staff, updates/re-writes to policies that allow for bias, and periodic monitoring of random stores to check for training gaps and policy enforcement.
I don't boycott for every slight, and I don't drink coffee so no loss for me or them. But if the action is egregious enough, and corporate issues no response or worse continues to disrepect their black clientele, I can't continue to spend money where they doesn't value my business.
I don't boycott for every slight, and I don't drink coffee so no loss for me or them. But if the action is egregious enough, and corporate issues no response or worse continues to disrepect their black clientele, I can't continue to spend money where they doesn't value my business.
That’s just a word I use for nap sacking tree hugging hippies. The liberals who talk a good game but that’s all.
Theresamonet
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This went viral Saturday. Their PR team issued a statement on Sunday, followed by the CEO issuing a personal statement also on Sunday. He was on tv today (Monday). When was Starbucks hiding and not actively engaged? Everything in bolded has been done, or the CEO has vowed to do, so what else would we be looking to gain from the boycott?
I don’t care either way if people boycott Starbucks. No skin off my back. But I don’t understand the rhyme or reason at this point. The boycotts of the civil rights era all had clear objectives, which was usually to change policies. Clearly exhibited most famously in the Montgomery transit system boycott. But now, it seems like we’re calling for boycotts simply as a show of black solidarity. Or as a way to feel involved or that we’re helping even though we’re far away. Fine. That just doesn’t really jive with what I feel is the purpose of a boycott.
I have a way bigger issue with the way this was handled by the police. The police departments all over this country are the ones who keep habitually screwing up. They didn’t have to arrest these men because some dumb ass Starbucks employee called them. When and how can we start hitting these police departments where it hurts?
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Theresamonet
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I also wanted to add that I do think some people and entities just need to be ruined, and that IS the objective ( eg. Paula Deen), due to a foundation of racist ideals and policies. But I don’t currently think Starbucks falls in this category.
shortycocoa
Hair Weave Killer
Good! And I hope she can't find a job anyplace else for the rest of her life. #bankruptthatheaux
shortycocoa
Hair Weave Killer
I love that drink, too, but I haven't had one in years. I especially won't be getting one anytime soon. I found a copycat recipe from somewhere online a long time ago, but I never made it. I need to see if I can find it.
shortycocoa
Hair Weave Killer
C@ssandr@
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If you find it, post it!
Atthatday
Every knee shall bow...
From very brief research, hitting the police where it hurts would require several changes. One change might start with the police union contracts, another might be holding police financially accountable. The union contracts are very tight, of the one that I skimmed over.
shortycocoa
Hair Weave Killer
I sure will! Over 10 years ago I found out that all it is is steamed apple juice with whipped cream and caramel added on top. And the girl in Starbucks told me that!
. That's when I went looking for a copycat recipe because I was like I'll be damned if I'm gonna keep paying $4 and change for this drink every time. 
ETA: https://www.favfamilyrecipes.com/copycat-starbucks-caramel-apple-spice-cider/
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ThirdEyeBeauty
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Not necessary at all.
Theresamonet
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Where are you reading that, because that would definitely cause me to change my stance?
ThirdEyeBeauty
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but she looked like a fellow person of color?
You can train anyone to discriminate. They don't have to know any better (for example, black police officers), you just have to treat another group different from another. Doesn't really matter what group you identify as if your mind is not right.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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No one really needs Starbucks that's why they are much more effectively affected by the protest. Someone with the money, loan and drive can create a coffee house for the community.
Atthatday
Every knee shall bow...
scoobygirl
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That's not exactly what I said. The initial response was not favorable to those men. The first reply was a canned response protecting the manager by saying she was following policy.
It wasn't until hell was raised that you had the CEO asking to meet the men.
However if they continue any boycott you need to have a list of demands or it is wasted energy.
For me, I'm satisfied with the response now, but I don't go to coffee shops anyway. So it's a non-factor
People are working extra hard to justify maintaining their la-di-da lifestyles.
SpiritJunkie
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I have a gold card with them. I’m very disappointed & will be done with SB. I don’t know if any black owned coffee shops in toronto but I can do without
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LushLox
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The money y’all spend on coffee you should just buy a good coffee maker if you don’t already have one. Yes the good ones are incredibly expensive but any coffee lover would soon recoup that initial outlay in the value of having decent coffee at home at your fingertips.
But I get it, half of the attractiveness of Starbucks et al is the on the go convenience.
But I get it, half of the attractiveness of Starbucks et al is the on the go convenience.
momi
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Ok where does this fit in the timeline??? I wonder if this ^^^ incident occurred after they were told to leave by management or is the above why they were asked to leave?
If the men were made to leave after this particular confrontation I can understand why the police were called. The entire scene is a disturbance. Did they start recording after they were denied the bathroom code? I'm also giving them the side eye talking about :this is going on The Shade Room...
I'm confused.
SpiritJunkie
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