Teen Boy Killed In Bronx Bodega

naturalgyrl5199

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From what I read a Dominican gang attacked him because they thought he was someone else. One of the gang members contacted his family to apologize. :perplexed:
Yeah....so the video is going around of a teenage girl having a train run on her by some gang members. Another gang member who looks just like Junior is videotaping it and himself literally standing in front of his friend having sex with the girl who's face is covered, and put it on the internet to expose her bc she is like an honor student or something....she is the niece of one of the murderers. And supposedly, the kid videotaping it got into a fight with one of the relatives of the girl and kicked his butt. I unfortunately got a look at the video and realize the kid videotaping himself and his friend literally having sex in the video does look exactly like this child who was butchered.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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Supposedlt the intended target was also called Junior. I actually think he was set up. His friend called him to get a $5 and the gang just happened to be there? Whether he was not the intended target or not someone put him on their radar.
The sister in law said he was running an errand for a relative and needed $5. She is very vocal on her IG and spilling all the tea. She was one of the people the gang members contacted. The sad thing is while this child who was murdered was not in a gang, I suspect his family members had close ties to one set but someone from another set of the same gang who didn't know the kid ran up on him.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Yes, some of them did.
:nono:

You shall not "Not All Gang's" me. There has always been a direct correlation between street gang presence in black neighborhoods and the distribution of narcotics, illegal gambling and prostitution. Any protecting or patrolling of neighborhoods to keep outsiders away was done to secure a customer base not out of pro-black woke sentiment.

I will agree that gang activity may not have been as messy in the "bad old days" but it most certainly was not good or noble.
 

Southernbella.

Well-Known Member
:nono:

You shall not "Not All Gang's" me. There has always been a direct correlation between street gang presence in black neighborhoods and the distribution of narcotics, illegal gambling and prostitution. Any protecting or patrolling of neighborhoods to keep outsiders away was done to secure a customer base not out of pro-black woke sentiment.

I will agree that gang activity may not have been as messy in the "bad old days" but it most certainly was not good or noble.

I'm not sure what we're debating here. I never said all black gangs were always woke and noble. I said black gang members now aren't woke like the ones who used to patrol and protect black communities. And I'm not sure why you're speaking in absolutes. I know some of the defense was about protecting turf/money, just like some of it was about protecting the community from violence. These are facts.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
I'm not sure what we're debating here. I never said all black gangs were always woke and noble. I said black gang members now aren't woke like the ones who used to patrol and protect black communities. And I'm not sure why you're speaking in absolutes. I know some of the defense was about protecting turf/money, just like some of it was about protecting the community from violence. These are facts.
I am saying the premise that there were ever in the history of black street gangs in America woke black gang members patrolling and protecting black communities is a fairytale at best and revisionist history at worst. Who were they patrolling and protecting the communities from, their fellow gang members? That's not how any of that works.

Malcolm X talked about being a gang member in the 1950's and was nothing woke about it. The origins of street gangs in Detroit, Chicago, Gary, Columbus, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Little Rock, the boroughs of NY and LA are not mired in the spirit of anything beneficial to black communities.
 

danniegirl

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Yeah....so the video is going around of a teenage girl having a train run on her by some gang members. Another gang member who looks just like Junior is videotaping it and himself literally standing in front of his friend having sex with the girl who's face is covered, and put it on the internet to expose her bc she is like an honor student or something....she is the niece of one of the murderers. And supposedly, the kid videotaping it got into a fight with one of the relatives of the girl and kicked his butt. I unfortunately got a look at the video and realize the kid videotaping himself and his friend literally having sex in the video does look exactly like this child who was butchered.

Where did you find that video
 

Southernbella.

Well-Known Member
I am saying the premise that there were ever in the history of black street gangs in America woke black gang members patrolling and protecting black communities is a fairytale at best and revisionist history at worst. Who were they patrolling and protecting the communities from, their fellow gang members? That's not how any of that works.

Malcolm X talked about being a gang member in the 1950's and was nothing woke about it. The origins of street gangs in Detroit, Chicago, Gary, Columbus, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Little Rock, the boroughs of NY and LA are not mired in the spirit of anything beneficial to black communities.

I know what you're saying. I'm saying you're wrong. I offered to post peer reviewed sources to back that up. And again, I'm not saying ALLLLL black gangs ever in history in every state had these intentions. But some did, and that's who I was referencing.

I'm not trying to make these gangs look good or noble since that seems to be your beef with what I said. But facts are facts, and it is a fact that some gangs were formed as a response to racial violence. This is relevant because the whole George Zimmerman situation was about racial violence.

Me posting that wasn't to make black men look good since I know that's the underlying reason for this debate...
 

SoopremeBeing

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Gangs are WAYYYY messier than they used to be. For one...the leaders of the gangs are very young now. They recruit babies (as young as 8 now)...and gangs are not as unified but work in small little squads...10th street, this block or whatever. That being said...the usual decision making to keep innocents out of harms way is gone. I wouldn't be surprised if the leaders gave the killers up...its also not surprising that they contacted the family members to confirm the mistaken identity. Since you have the extremely young and highly unorganized and unintelligent running gangs now, you get a WHOLE lot of collateral damage....this is what's going on in Chicago with all the babies being murdered by "accident." No leadership or direction. Everyone knows you are supposed to confirm the target. But the mistaken identity stuff keeps happening. And gangs are not immune to social/neighborhood shock. I wouldn't be surprised if the kid was related to an actual Trinitarios member from another set somewhere else. So the killers would have been "disappeared" in another way in the near future.

I wonder where and when the tide changed. I tried to watch an episode of Gangland some years back and it spooked the ever-living HECK outta me. Especially knowing some of these newer gangs go after innocents for initiation purposes or "stripes."
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
I know what you're saying. I'm saying you're wrong. I offered to post peer reviewed sources to back that up. And again, I'm not saying ALLLLL black gangs ever in history in every state had these intentions. But some did, and that's who I was referencing.

I'm not trying to make these gangs look good or noble since that seems to be your beef with what I said. But facts are facts, and it is a fact that some gangs were formed as a response to racial violence. This is relevant because the whole George Zimmerman situation was about racial violence.

Me posting that wasn't to make black men look good since I know that's the underlying reason for this debate...
Please post the peer reviewed sources.
 

Southernbella.

Well-Known Member
Please post the peer reviewed sources.

These may be behind a paywall so I screenshotted some points:

RACE NOT SPACE: A REVISIONIST HISTORY OF GANGSIN CHICAGO

Defensive localism in white and black: a
comparative history of European-American and
African-American youth gangs

Something wicked this way comes: A historical account of black gangsterism offers wisdom and warning for African American leadership


History of Gangs in the United States

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Southernbella.

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Eta
The ghettoization of Blacks in Los Angeles: The emergence of street gangs

In the zoot suit riots, the focus was primarily Mexicans and
white citizens and servicemen in the central Los Angeles business and entertainment
district. African–Americans were also attacked and beaten and stripped on a regular
basis, even if they were without zoot suit attire. When white citizens and servicemen
attempted to move east to Central Avenue, large groups of African–American youth
showed a force in numbers and dissuaded the attackers. What was even more
interesting is that the zoot suit riots sparked a series of race riots in U.S. urban areas.
Detroit stood out as the worst one when 25 blacks were killed (Gilje 1996). Such
incidents were also the catalyst for the emergence of Los Angeles’ first African–
American street gangs, which emerged as a defensive response to white violence in
the schools and streets during the late 1940s.




The segment of the African–American community left in the ghetto was forced to
adapt to an unprecedented level of invisibility and neglect. From 1959 to 1965,
furthermore, African–Americans were excluded from the lucrative construction and
aerospace jobs, and the youth suffered the most (Northrup 1944). Median incomes in
South Central declined by nearly a tenth, and African–American unemployment rose
from 12% to 20% overall, and 30% in Watts (Davis 1992)....
Among the worst of these social problems were drugs and gangs, and as one
author wrote on the eve of the Watts “riots,”
“Marijuana and pills of all varieties [were] readily available on and off the
campus of David Starr Jordan High School. In a corner lot adjoining Jordan
Downs project, the dropouts and delinquents of the “parking lot gang” terrif[ied]
the rest of the community” (Bullock 1969, p. 51).

Nevertheless, gang youth at this time was tied up with “the generational awaken-
ing of Black Power,” and still did not, therefore, play an entirely negative role in the
community. During one protest at a local whites-only drive-in restaurant, for instance,
it was the timely arrival of the Slausons gang, based in Fremont High area, which
saved the protestors from an attack by Whites. In this way, gangs such as the Slausons
and the Gladiators (from the 54th Street area) “became a crucial social base for the
rise of the local Black Liberation movement
” (Davis 1992, p. 287). The first phase of
African–American gang formation from the late 1940s until the Watts Riots had
passed (Cureton 2008). This era had been characterized by African–American youth
mobilizing against the violence and racism of white youth, particularly in the local
schools. As African–American gangs such as the Bossmen, Businessmen, and
Slausons fought white gangs such as the Spookhunters, the battles were waged on
an entirely different level than the violent, self-destructive drug wars of today’s gangs.

Following the Watts “riots” of August, 1965, furthermore, there was a period of 3 to
4 years when rival gang hostilities were put aside to some degree, and African–
American youth instead immersed themselves in the Black Power revolution.
“Two leading Slausons, Alprentice “Bunchy” Carter… and Jon Huggins be-
came the local organizers of the Black Panther Party, while a third, Brother
Crook (aka Ron Wilkins) created the Community Alert Patrol to monitor police
abuse. Meanwhile an old Watts gang hangout near Jordan Downs, the “parking
lot,” became a recruiting center for the “Sons of Watts” who organized and
guarded the annual Watts Festiva
l” (Davis 1992, p.64).
 
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Southernbella.

Well-Known Member
They probably saw Trayvon as another ninja who got in a fight and lost. They aren't woke or community minded like the gang members who used to patrol and protect their neighborhoods from outsiders.

Now to go back to my original point, the gang members of TODAY aren't woke like some of the ones from yesteryear who cared about racial issues, for example the ones who tried to avenge the racial murder of a young black man from my post above.
 

BlueEra

Well-Known Member
I just saw two more videos from inside of the bodega right before and after the attack. The store owner pushed him or shooed him away both times.

In the first video, he went into the bodego and got behind the counter to hide just a few moments before the guys came in looking for him, but whoever was behind the counter was trying to push him off of it and when he finally got behind the counter it looks like they pushed him away as the guys came in to drag him out.

The second video shows him stumbling in bleeding right after being attacked and being shooed out again. You could tell that he was injured badly, and they turned their backs on him. I feel so bad for him. I can't even imagine how he was feeling.
 

Southernbella.

Well-Known Member
I just saw two more videos from inside of the bodega right before and after the attack. The store owner pushed him or shooed him away both times.

In the first video, he went into the bodego and got behind the counter to hide just a few moments before the guys came in looking for him, but whoever was behind the counter was trying to push him off of it and when he finally got behind the counter it looks like they pushed him away as the guys came in to drag him out.

The second video shows him stumbling in bleeding right after being attacked and being shooed out again. You could tell that he was injured badly, and they turned their backs on him. I feel so bad for him. I can't even imagine how he was feeling.

My first instinct is that they were wrong and are terrible human beings. At the same time, just like with people who don't snitch...they have to live or work in that neighborhood. They may have feared retaliation against them or their families which happens a lot with gangs. I like to think I would do the right thing, no question, but it's easy for me to say from my couch in my safe neighborhood, kwim?
 

Enyo

Well-Known Member
Gangs are WAYYYY messier than they used to be. For one...the leaders of the gangs are very young now. They recruit babies (as young as 8 now)...and gangs are not as unified but work in small little squads...10th street, this block or whatever. That being said...the usual decision making to keep innocents out of harms way is gone. I wouldn't be surprised if the leaders gave the killers up...its also not surprising that they contacted the family members to confirm the mistaken identity. Since you have the extremely young and highly unorganized and unintelligent running gangs now, you get a WHOLE lot of collateral damage....this is what's going on in Chicago with all the babies being murdered by "accident." No leadership or direction. Everyone knows you are supposed to confirm the target. But the mistaken identity stuff keeps happening. And gangs are not immune to social/neighborhood shock. I wouldn't be surprised if the kid was related to an actual Trinitarios member from another set somewhere else. So the killers would have been "disappeared" in another way in the near future.
Thank you for this. It really makes me sad I am now nonstalgic for more mature and organize gang life. At least you knew where you stood and there was some order and discipline.
 

Tamrin

unapologetic
I just saw two more videos from inside of the bodega right before and after the attack. The store owner pushed him or shooed him away both times.

In the first video, he went into the bodego and got behind the counter to hide just a few moments before the guys came in looking for him, but whoever was behind the counter was trying to push him off of it and when he finally got behind the counter it looks like they pushed him away as the guys came in to drag him out.

The second video shows him stumbling in bleeding right after being attacked and being shooed out again. You could tell that he was injured badly, and they turned their backs on him. I feel so bad for him. I can't even imagine how he was feeling.

I am very still haunted by that video.
 
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