I Went Back To Cones And My Hair Flourished

DST1913

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I just wanted to share my story. Maybe it will help someone. I have 4C fine hair. I decided to go natural by transitioning and cut off my relaxed ends in January of this year and ended up with neck length hair. Like all new naturals I came here, read blogs and watch endless hours of you tube. One thing in common was cones and sulfates were the devil incarnate. So I ditched all those products and went on a quest to find new ones. Hundreds (prob thousands) later my hair was STILL dry and not thriving. It was a dry bushy mess. Especially the ends. My ends were so bushy I at one point cut them off and they returned bushy again. I could not figure out what was wrong.

A few months ago I decided to incorporate keracare humecto and silicon mix in my weekly regimen. It took a lot for me to try this as I thought it would be so bad. Fast forward and my hair is THRIVING! since going natural my hair is soft, moisturized and stays that way. I've noticed growth for the first time and my hair is a little past collarbone. I'm still using sulfate free shampoo with the occasional clarifier but products with cones have saved my hair! I dont think this is a story you hear in the natural community but its what made my hair healthy. Looking forward to more progress in the upcoming months/years
 

lesedi

All is well with me
I had the same experience... I find sulfate free shampoos generally very stripping and my scalp still feels coated after a wash which I'm not OK with. And I need cones for manageability.

In fact the overwhelming majority of my stash has ingredients that are 'vetoed'. I'm about to get some grease (Yes, grease) for the winter too
 

sunflora

Flowah Powah
I just wanted to share my story. Maybe it will help someone. I have 4C fine hair. I decided to go natural by transitioning and cut off my relaxed ends in January of this year and ended up with neck length hair. Like all new naturals I came here, read blogs and watch endless hours of you tube. One thing in common was cones and sulfates were the devil incarnate. So I ditched all those products and went on a quest to find new ones. Hundreds (prob thousands) later my hair was STILL dry and not thriving. It was a dry bushy mess. Especially the ends. My ends were so bushy I at one point cut them off and they returned bushy again. I could not figure out what was wrong.

A few months ago I decided to incorporate keracare humecto and silicon mix in my weekly regimen. It took a lot for me to try this as I thought it would be so bad. Fast forward and my hair is THRIVING! since going natural my hair is soft, moisturized and stays that way. I've noticed growth for the first time and my hair is a little past collarbone. I'm still using sulfate free shampoo with the occasional clarifier but products with cones have saved my hair! I dont think this is a story you hear in the natural community but its what made my hair healthy. Looking forward to more progress in the upcoming months/years

Cones are all about sealing in moisture for a longer amount of time. People find them problematic because when you seal in moisture you also prevent letting moisture in. There are people who also use mineral oil for this same reason.

I think the science behind ingredients is more important than 'omg itz bad roflcopter'. there's no problem with preferring natural ingredients either, but telling someone not to use something isn't helpful if it is what works for them. I'm happy you found somethng that works for you. :)

I still don't use cones because a lot of them make my hair feel bad, but if I were ever to find a product with cones that I liked I wouldn't hesitate to use it.
 

DST1913

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I had the same experience... I find sulfate free shampoos generally very stripping and my scalp still feels coated after a wash which I'm not OK with. And I need cones for manageability.

In fact the overwhelming majority of my stash has ingredients that are 'vetoed'. I'm about to get some grease (Yes, grease) for the winter too
I hear you. I got some grease too and have been greasing my scalp old school with sulfur 8. Its like the basics work and I had been just following the natural bandwagon. Even the LOC or LCO doesn't work for me. I also incorporated Cantu shea butter leave in and its been so great for daily moisture. I take down my hair and it's still soft.
 

DST1913

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Cones are all about sealing in moisture for a longer amount of time. People find them problematic because when you seal in moisture you also prevent letting moisture in. There are people who also use mineral oil for this same reason.

I think the science behind ingredients is more important than 'omg itz bad roflcopter'. there's no problem with preferring natural ingredients either, but telling someone not to use something isn't helpful if it is what works for them. I'm happy you found somethng that works for you. :)

I still don't use cones because a lot of them make my hair feel bad, but if I were ever to find a product with cones that I liked I wouldn't hesitate to use it.
I wasnt telling people not to use natural products. I just wanted to share what worked for ME after trying all the natural products and not figuring out why it wasnt working for me. Changing back to cones may work for someone else as well. The majority of the natural hair community uses no cones and their hair thrives it just wasnt the case for me as much as I wanted it to be.

Also I had heard how it keeps moisture from getting in. I wonder why my hair is so moistirized now. Maybe what you said about it stealing it in longer was the key for me
 
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DST1913

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My hair grew faster amd thrived when I wasn’t following all these rules. I spent soooo much money on products that my hair just laughed at.
Really? That's great. I've spent a ton as well. Everyone is so different. I even stopped following hair bloggers. That has helped me too. I had to just do what worked for me. It was an education of my own hair and not what others do to thiers.
 

sunflora

Flowah Powah
I wasnt telling people not to use natural products. I just wanted to share what worked for ME after trying all the natural products and not figuring out why it wasnt working for me. Changing back to cones may work for someone else as well. The majority of the natural hair community uses no cones and their hair thrives it just wasnt the case for me as much as I wanted it to be.

Also I had heard how it keeps moisture from getting in. I wonder why my hair is so moistirized now. Maybe what you said about it stealing it in longer was the key for me

Oh no I wasn't accusing you of doing so. I was mainly directing that at YouTubers who 'ban' or 'cancel' ingredients.

My best guess would be that your hair may be low porosity and loses moisture very quickly. If you're using conditioners with cones, or something with cones while your hair is wet, then you lock that moisture in. That's just my hunch.
 

sunflora

Flowah Powah
Really? That's great. I've spent a ton as well. Everyone is so different. I even stopped following hair bloggers. That has helped me too. I had to just do what worked for me. It was an education of my own hair and not what others do to thiers.

Absolutely yes.
 

ColibriNoir

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Thanks for sharing your experience. So glad you found something that works for you. I too have 4c, fine natural hair and deal with the same issues you mentioned. This product is currently sitting in my Amazon shopping. Thanks for reminding me. I’ll be getting it soon.
 

DST1913

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Oh no I wasn't accusing you of doing so. I was mainly directing that at YouTubers who 'ban' or 'cancel' ingredients.

My best guess would be that your hair may be low porosity and loses moisture very quickly. If you're using conditioners with cones, or something with cones while your hair is wet, then you lock that moisture in. That's just my hunch.
Ohh ok. Sorry. I misread. I've always wondered the porosity of my hair. It does lose moisture quickly. Using products while wet work best for me so you may have solved that mystery.
 

DST1913

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Thanks for sharing your experience. So glad you found something that works for you. I too have 4c, fine natural hair and deal with the same issues you mentioned. This product is currently sitting in my Amazon shopping. Thanks for reminding me. I’ll be getting it soon.
Which product? Hope it works for you. This hair journey can be so frustrating
 

DST1913

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It’s called Silicon Mix but I’m not sure it’s the same one you used. Here’s a link

Silicon Mix Intensive Hair Deep Treatment, 36 Ounce
Yup this is it. You can get it at any beauty supply store and I believe cheaper in the store. Unless you are out of the country. But it's easy to get in a store if you are in the US
 

DST1913

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I also had to stop using just natural products only because my hair seemed to dislike them . I got tired of wasting money.
I think I'm still shocked that it seems to be that almost everyone natural even the popular bloggers swear by natural products and for some they just don't work. I tried product after product thinking it was me.
 

intellectualuva

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So happy for you, OP. Someone here recommended grease and curl free moisture. I hesitated because #teamnaturalproducts. I prefer it mixed with Aloe Vera Juice, than when I forget and my hair is next level happy. I thought I hit the holy grail with Mane Choice HH products, but this has helped me decrease the dryness between washes and much less breakage. And detangling is a breeze.

So I mix some old school and new school and my hair is thriving.
 

kxlot79

Kitchen Mixtress
I think cones v. no-cones is more about HOW & WHEN you style than anything.
My own experience is that different products and regimens yield different results, why would that be different for cones?
I’ve been coasting for so long that I see that the more frequently I’m in my hair, the more natural my regimen can be. Daily cowashing or WnGs 3-4+ times a week means more natural. If it’s winter and I’m not trying to wash my hair but once a week or twice a month, cones and more synthetic products are gonna work better for me.
Plus, in many ways manageability is easier with cones and cones disguise damage a LOT better.
Some hair is too fragile for a natural routine depending on what results are sought.
 

DST1913

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So happy for you, OP. Someone here recommended grease and curl free moisture. I hesitated because #teamnaturalproducts. I prefer it mixed with Aloe Vera Juice, than when I forget and my hair is next level happy. I thought I hit the holy grail with Mane Choice HH products, but this has helped me decrease the dryness between washes and much less breakage. And detangling is a breeze.

So I mix some old school and new school and my hair is thriving.
I've thought about trying mane choice. I'm just tired of trying things at this point. Maybe if I got a sample I would
 

DST1913

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I think cones v. no-cones is more about HOW & WHEN you style than anything.
My own experience is that different products and regimens yield different results, why would that be different for cones?
I’ve been coasting for so long that I see that the more frequently I’m in my hair, the more natural my regimen can be. Daily cowashing or WnGs 3-4+ times a week means more natural. If it’s winter and I’m not trying to wash my hair but once a week or twice a month, cones and more synthetic products are gonna work better for me.
Plus, in many ways manageability is easier with cones and cones disguise damage a LOT better.
Some hair is too fragile for a natural routine depending on what results are sought.
I think this is me. I have very fragile hair. I think 4C fine hair is one of the hardest to grow because it's just so prone to breakage and the cottony texture is just hard to maintain. it's so fragile
 

oneastrocurlie

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I agree with the how and when.

I haven't paid too much attention to cones vs no cones until recently. I don't shampoo as much and shampoo is what removes cones. So I avoid cones, when I can, so I can avoid needing to shampoo. Not because I think they are the devil. Lol.
 

kxlot79

Kitchen Mixtress
I think before we became really informed about ingredients (and just a few people have missed the boat), we didn’t see the connection between cones and shampoo.
I can’t tell y’all how many times I’ve watched videos demonizing cowashing or blaming it for hair loss/hair breakage, when the primary “cowashes” used were full of silicone. Like, of course you’ll get buildup if you don’t strip it off occasionally.
Or even, people would be using heavy greases, oils, and butters, but then using “sulfate free” shampoos and cowashes. Which always seemed crazy to me, even before I really understood the science of why.:huh:
There have been articles and videos I’ve seen lately that swear that sulfate-free shampoos are strong enough to remove heavy greases, oils, and butters, or swear that some cowashes are strong enough to do the same...
I absolutely do not trust that, wouldn’t advise that, and low key don’t really believe that. But that’s some of the science and people gamble on it.:happydance:
I don't shampoo as much and shampoo is what removes cones. So I avoid cones, when I can, so I can avoid needing to shampoo. Not because I think they are the devil. Lol.
 

PlanetCybertron

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All good points mentioned in this thread.

Only reason I use cones is because my hair deems them useful. I need slip. Point blank. With 30+ inches of relaxed, 4C hair that is unbelievably fine, with a tendency to cobweb, cones prove themselves to work for me personally.

Since my hair is 100% high porosity, the need to shampoo my length doesn’t occur often. I have a sensitive scalp so most of the shampoo is concentrated on my scalp.

On the same note I also like natural products. Idk I’m very all inclusive of products. From honey, Flaxseed gel, and Shea Butter to name brand products. If my hair likes them I use them.
 

intellectualuva

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I think before we became really informed about ingredients (and just a few people have missed the boat), we didn’t see the connection between cones and shampoo.
I can’t tell y’all how many times I’ve watched videos demonizing cowashing or blaming it for hair loss/hair breakage, when the primary “cowashes” used were full of silicone. Like, of course you’ll get buildup if you don’t strip it off occasionally.
Or even, people would be using heavy greases, oils, and butters, but then using “sulfate free” shampoos and cowashes. Which always seemed crazy to me, even before I really understood the science of why.:huh:
There have been articles and videos I’ve seen lately that swear that sulfate-free shampoos are strong enough to remove heavy greases, oils, and butters, or swear that some cowashes are strong enough to do the same...
I absolutely do not trust that, wouldn’t advise that, and low key don’t really believe that. But that’s some of the science and people gamble on it.:happydance:

Which clarifying shampoo do you use?
 

kxlot79

Kitchen Mixtress
I have a couple that I like to rotate between. I try to just buy one bottle at a time but sometimes I fail. I will say the cheaper ones, the Suave and Tresemme are a lot stronger on my hair, and I would guess they have less buffers for the detergents/surfactants. So I don’t use those unless it’s been several weeks since a proper shampoo— like a very long term protective style.
Listed in strength on my hair:
-Suave Clarifying Shampoo (IMO a step above dish soap)
-Tresemme Deep Cleanse Shampoo
-Neutrogrena Anti-Residue Shampoo
-Hask Charcoal Clarifying Shampoo
-Oribe Clarifying Shampoo (a splurge or gift that I really love)

Which clarifying shampoo do you use?
 

Froreal3

haulin hard in the paint
I love Joico Moisture Recovery Balm. I use a lot of oils and butters. The sulfate free shampoos clean just fine. I clarify with Redken Cream Cleanser maybe once every couple months. Probably should increase to once a month. I still love natural products for the actual length of my hair.
 

DST1913

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I have a couple that I like to rotate between. I try to just buy one bottle at a time but sometimes I fail. I will say the cheaper ones, the Suave and Tresemme are a lot stronger on my hair, and I would guess they have less buffers for the detergents/surfactants. So I don’t use those unless it’s been several weeks since a proper shampoo— like a very long term protective style.
Listed in strength on my hair:
-Suave Clarifying Shampoo (IMO a step above dish soap)
-Tresemme Deep Cleanse Shampoo
-Neutrogrena Anti-Residue Shampoo
-Hask Charcoal Clarifying Shampoo
-Oribe Clarifying Shampoo (a splurge or gift that I really love)
Clarifying shampoos for some reason tangle my hair badly. The only one I can use with no issues is kinky curly come clean. I think my hair doesnt like that squeaky clean feeling. Even after I use it I have to do a 2nd wash with a moisturizing shampoo or it's a disaster.
 

intellectualuva

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Clarifying shampoos for some reason tangle my hair badly. The only one I can use with no issues is kinky curly come clean. I think my hair doesnt like that squeaky clean feeling. Even after I use it I have to do a 2nd wash with a moisturizing shampoo or it's a disaster.

This has been my experience. I do worry about buildup though.
 
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