Nypd Tear 1yr Old Son From Mother..

Ivonnovi

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This is really bothersome to me.

In a day and age when poor moms are being carted off to Jail for leaving their children in a Car while they Work or Attend a Job interview; I really don't understand this.

Here we have a woman, trying to do things LEGALLY and she still got treated this way which resulted in her being carted off to Jail. What she needed was HELP/Assistance and encouragement to stay on the right track.
I'm not excusing her prior's but like I said she was trying to do things LEGALLY.

The result of this looks like: NY won't give [or will drag their knuckles on giving] her a childcare voucher so she can go to work;
BUT
They won't hesitate to call the police, dr
ag her to Jail (free housing/meals/meds), and suck her child into their system (more free housing/meals/meds).
 

discodumpling

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No, because she didn't follow orders. She could have been in the right but come on, by now we should know that the best way to save your life is by complying. Especially when you have a child present. Once out of the situation you can take legal action.
Follow orders for what? They didn't have seating in this overcrowded space so she sat on the floor. I don't think that's illegal. All "charges" were dropped. Cause they already know they're wrong. She will have her day in court.
BTW these cops are from Brooklyn's 84th precinct. Its considered a problem precinct...they've been in this position many times before.
 

Transformer

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Follow orders for what? They didn't have seating in this overcrowded space so she sat on the floor. I don't think that's illegal. All "charges" were dropped. Cause they already know they're wrong. She will have her day in court.
BTW these cops are from Brooklyn's 84th precinct. Its considered a problem precinct...they've been in this position many times before.

Save your key strokes with this poster. Law and Order type when it comes to Black folks. Trolling.
 

jeanghrey

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They were probably going for the angle of it being a fire hazard. I don't think that's illegal but it makes sense for them to ask her to move.

Yeah from what I gathered the bigger issue was her blocking the doorway, she didn't have to get off the floor but she could've just scooted to a different spot....calling police was being way extra but this day and age everybody wants to dump the liability on them if something goes wrong....my unpopular opinion is every party involved was wrong to some degree
 

momi

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Yeah from what I gathered the bigger issue was her blocking the doorway, she didn't have to get off the floor but she could've just scooted to a different spot....calling police was being way extra but this day and age everybody wants to dump the liability on them if something goes wrong....my unpopular opinion is every party involved was wrong to some degree

Blocking the doorway is a fire hazard. She also bit one of the security guards...

It's been asked several times upthread - but could this situation been avoided? Should the company allowed her to block the doorway? Should the officers walked away when she refused to move? Should they have picked up up while holding the baby and escorted her to another area?

What should have been done?
 

jeanghrey

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Blocking the doorway is a fire hazard. She also bit one of the security guards...

It's been asked several times upthread - but could this situation been avoided? Should the company allowed her to block the doorway? Should the officers walked away when she refused to move? Should they have picked up up while holding the baby and escorted her to another area?

What should have been done?

For starters they need a better system to disposition cases, If I can now make an appointment for the DMV and been in and out in under an hour, why can't this agency work on a similar setup, having people wait in line for hours is asking for chaos to erupt; if they're gonna have people lined up like that they def need a customer service rep to monitor the line, triage issues and move people to the appropriate areas, etc like they do at retail stores; I understand her being exhausted and sitting on the floor if that was the only option but she should've moved if she was blocking the doorway; somewhere along the spectrum of asking her to move and police being called no one attempted to get her a chair? offer her some food? etc ....police should be left out of it unless someone's being aggressive, threatening or violent in some way and they def need a total retraining on how to handle these situations cause 9/10 they make it worse.
 

Theresamonet

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Blocking the doorway is a fire hazard. She also bit one of the security guards...

It's been asked several times upthread - but could this situation been avoided? Should the company allowed her to block the doorway? Should the officers walked away when she refused to move? Should they have picked up up while holding the baby and escorted her to another area?

What should have been done?

Did she bite the guard before the police was called? If so, they had every right to call the cops.

I think the cops were overzealous, so they deserve the backlash. Prying the baby from her arms wasn't the problem, IMO. That's what they have to do. But wildly yanking and shaking the infant, like a dog with a chew toy, was too much.

Something is wrong with this woman. I think a sane parent/person would realize that they're being arrested regardless, and since these people obviously have no regard for their child, maybe they should let go so their baby won't get hurt. She refused to let go because she didn't want to be cuffed. If the child got hurt, she was responsible as well. IMO.
 

momi

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For starters they need a better system to disposition cases, If I can now make an appointment for the DMV and been in and out in under an hour, why can't this agency work on a similar setup, having people wait in line for hours is asking for chaos to erupt; if they're gonna have people lined up like that they def need a customer service rep to monitor the line, triage issues and move people to the appropriate areas, etc like they do at retail stores; I understand her being exhausted and sitting on the floor if that was the only option but she should've moved if she was blocking the doorway; somewhere along the spectrum of asking her to move and police being called no one attempted to get her a chair? offer her some food? etc ....police should be left out of it unless someone's being aggressive, threatening or violent in some way and they def need a total retraining on how to handle these situations cause 9/10 they make it worse.

Some type of monitor is a good idea. Most beaurocratic agencies need someone in tbt position. Having a point person designated to customer service on a lobby level would definitely be helpful.

Did she bite the guard before the police was called? If so, they had every right to call the cops.

I think the cops were overzealous, so they deserve the backlash. Prying the baby from her arms wasn't the problem, IMO. That's what they have to do. But wildly yanking and shaking the infant, like a dog with a chew toy, was too much.

Something is wrong with this woman. I think a sane parent/person would realize that they're being arrested regardless, and since these people obviously have no regard for their child, maybe they should let go so their baby won't get hurt. She refused to let go because she didn't want to be cuffed. If the child got hurt, she was responsible as well. IMO.

Yeah the situation was aggravated by many factors...
 

Kanky

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There are a lot of people who have trouble managing minor conflicts and issues without escalating things unnecessarily. If not blocking the aisle was that serious then someone should’ve found her another place to sit. This wasn’t a police situation. And of course the police acted like complete fools when they got there because they lack deescalation skills and aren’t even inclined to try when faced with a black person.

There are also half a dozen simple ways to handle overcrowding and people having to wait. If this system was half as competent as a restaurant during the dinner rush this would not have happened.
 

Everything Zen

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There are a lot of people who have trouble managing minor conflicts and issues without escalating things unnecessarily. If not blocking the aisle was that serious then someone should’ve found her another place to sit. This wasn’t a police situation. And of course the police acted like complete fools when they got there because they lack deescalation skills and aren’t even inclined to try when faced with a black person.

There are also half a dozen simple ways to handle overcrowding and people having to wait. If this system was half as competent as a restaurant during the dinner rush this would not have happened.

I’ve had these same discussions with my dad as a retired Lieutenant - their major training area isn’t deescalation. When you call the cops you are asking for someone trained in deadly force not a crisis counselor. I know this is extremely problematic in our communities when they can stop and frisk but not actually getting to the root of the problems but... What are we asking these indivduals with guns to do? :look: I am surprised that I am starting to understand some of the confusion with their jobs- the role needs to be completely overhauled. I am in no way dismissing the blatant racism and high number of black people that die during interactions with police that should not be in their positions.
 

Laela

Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
No punishment for officers in Jazmine Headley arrest


Uniformed NYPD officers can be seen in the footage trying to wrench Headley’s 1-year-old son from her arms, at one point lifting the pair off the floor of a city benefits office. | Flickr

By ROSA GOLDENSOHN
12/14/2018 06:46 PM EST
Updated 12/14/2018 06:58 PM EST

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An NYPD Internal Affairs Bureau review of the arrest of Jazmine Headley in Brooklyn last week found no wrongdoing on the part of NYPD officers involved or action that would result in discipline or change of status.

"The NYPD has conducted a strenuous review of what happened, because the public deserves answers, and we must take every opportunity to continuously strengthen how the NYPD serves the people of New York City," Police Commissioner James O'Neill said in a statement. "This review shows that prior to the incident depicted on public video, NYPD officers are working with the client to de-escalate the situation."

Uniformed NYPD officers can be seen in the footage trying to wrench Headley’s 1-year-old son from her arms, at one point lifting the pair off the floor of a city benefits office. An NYPD officer produces a stun gun and waves it indiscriminately in the faces of onlookers.

Mayor Bill de Blasio has faced harsh criticism for waiting three days to comment on the incident and for refusing to publicly question the NYPD's actions.

The review was based on publicly available video, body camera footage, 911 calls and interviews with Jazmine Headley and her mother, the department said.

The review yielded three recommendations for policy changes going forward: establishing guidelines for interactions between NYPD and HRA officers, summoning an NYPD supervisor when police respond to calls at HRA facilities and reviewing tactics and training programs for situations in which police officers encounter someone holding a young child.
 

dyh080

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Blocking the doorway is a fire hazard. She also bit one of the security guards...

It's been asked several times upthread - but could this situation been avoided? Should the company allowed her to block the doorway? Should the officers walked away when she refused to move? Should they have picked up up while holding the baby and escorted her to another area?

What should have been done?


I saw a comment on facebook that said she allegedly waited 1 hour before actually having her meeting, had her meeting and then refused to leave for some reason..I think she wasn't satisfied with her meeting, allegedly. I think the commenter may have been in the office at that time.

Also, this commenter said there were seats available .
Again, all of the above is alleged and from a commenter on facebook. I can't say it is true or not.
They SHOULD have arrested her AND taken the child into protective custody if indeed at that point she became a trespasser.
 
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dyh080

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There are a lot of people who have trouble managing minor conflicts and issues without escalating things unnecessarily. If not blocking the aisle was that serious then someone should’ve found her another place to sit. This wasn’t a police situation. And of course the police acted like complete fools when they got there because they lack deescalation skills and aren’t even inclined to try when faced with a black person.

There are also half a dozen simple ways to handle overcrowding and people having to wait. If this system was half as competent as a restaurant during the dinner rush this would not have happened.


If she is classified as a trespasser it IS a police situation.
 

Kanky

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The security guard is the one who should be arrested in this incident. She needs to press charges.

“Body-cameras worn by the officers recorded the guard telling Ms. Headley that if she did not leave she would be taken to central booking and the city’s child-welfare agency would take her son away, according to a person briefed on the matter.

“You’re a joke,” Ms. Headley replied, then turned to go, according to the person who was briefed. The peace officer replied: “Really?” then lunged at Ms. Headley and grabbed her arm, the person said, and “everyone tumbles down.”

If the guard “had just swallowed it, this would have been over,” a law enforcement official briefed on the body-camera evidence said.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/nyregion/jazmine-headley-arrest.html
 
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