Teen Swimmer Disqualified Because Her School-issued Swimsuit Broke Modesty Rule

dicapr

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No. Even if they changed refs, a previous refs objections, or in this case approval of attire, should have been noted and upheld. And this was a lap race, which means the new ref would have saw her before she got in the water. The objection should have been made then and the athlete is usually given the option to change or have their coach take them off the roster for the race.
I agree the ruling should be overturned. But I think that the big picture that she was breaking the rules (however it was school sanctioned) is being overlooked. The school knew that and placed this athlete in a uncomfortable position.

I think people are so caught up on the bad ruling and “body shaming” that everything else is being ignored.
 

meka72

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I agree the ruling should be overturned. But I think that the big picture that she was breaking the rules (however it was school sanctioned) is being overlooked. The school knew that and placed this athlete in a uncomfortable position.

I think people are so caught up on the bad ruling and “body shaming” that everything else is being ignored.
The original article stated “[t]he young girl, a 17-year-old state championship swimmer at Dimond High School in Anchorage, was wearing the school-issued swimsuit that every other girl on the team was wearing and yet she was the only one disqualified.”

So how could she have been a rule breaker if she was wearing the same school issued swimsuit that everyone was wearing? Wouldn’t everyone on the team have been breaking the rules and subject to disqualification?

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you. If you’re suggesting that she broke the rules because of how her body type fit into the school issued swimsuit, then that is body shaming. I have not seen pics (and have purposely not sought them out) but I’m willing to change my opinion if the swimsuit fit like a thong on her.
 

dicapr

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The original article stated “[t]he young girl, a 17-year-old state championship swimmer at Dimond High School in Anchorage, was wearing the school-issued swimsuit that every other girl on the team was wearing and yet she was the only one disqualified.”

So how could she have been a rule breaker if she was wearing the same school issued swimsuit that everyone was wearing? Wouldn’t everyone on the team have been breaking the rules and subject to disqualification?

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you. If you’re suggesting that she broke the rules because of how her body type fit into the school issued swimsuit, then that is body shaming. I have not seen pics (and have purposely not sought them out) but I’m willing to change my opinion if the swimsuit fit like a thong on her.

We can disagree.

As far as her being a rule breaker the school stated that the swim suit chosen for their team did not meet modesty guidelines. So there is no argument whether she was breaking the rules because the school admitted the entire team was in breach of the rules. Her body type made it more obvious that she was breaking the rules but that isn’t body shaming.

My sister can go braless or wear shirts with a built in bra. She is a large A cup/small B. I can try and wear the same style and go braless or use the built in bra but being D cup the look is completely different on me. I never thought that because I need to wear a bra or go with a different style top that is was being “shamed”. I understand that everything isn’t for everybody type and move on. What can perfectly fine work ready on her B cup body doesn’t pass the professional look on my body type.
 

LivingInPeace

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We can disagree.

As far as her being a rule breaker the school stated that the swim suit chosen for their team did not meet modesty guidelines. So there is no argument whether she was breaking the rules because the school admitted the entire team was in breach of the rules. Her body type made it more obvious that she was breaking the rules but that isn’t body shaming.

My sister can go braless or wear shirts with a built in bra. She is a large A cup/small B. I can try and wear the same style and go braless or use the built in bra but being D cup the look is completely different on me. I never thought that because I need to wear a bra or go with a different style top that is was being “shamed”. I understand that everything isn’t for everybody type and move on. What can perfectly fine work ready on her B cup body doesn’t pass the professional look on my body type.
I agree with you on this. People have forgotten that everything isn’t for every body. To piggyback off your example, I’m a small B cup. If a D cup woman wanted to look sexy, etc. pretty much all she would have to do is wear a nice bra and a low cut shirt, or a tight sweater. If I wear a low cut shirt, it’s not going to draw any attention or bring the boys to the yard. I can go braless in a lot of shirts and no one notices.
 

GreenEyedJen

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We can disagree.

As far as her being a rule breaker the school stated that the swim suit chosen for their team did not meet modesty guidelines. So there is no argument whether she was breaking the rules because the school admitted the entire team was in breach of the rules. Her body type made it more obvious that she was breaking the rules but that isn’t body shaming.

My sister can go braless or wear shirts with a built in bra. She is a large A cup/small B. I can try and wear the same style and go braless or use the built in bra but being D cup the look is completely different on me. I never thought that because I need to wear a bra or go with a different style top that is was being “shamed”. I understand that everything isn’t for everybody type and move on. What can perfectly fine work ready on her B cup body doesn’t pass the professional look on my body type.

The bolded is not correct. According to every article posted in this thread, the school said the suit DID meet guidelines.
 

dicapr

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The bolded is not correct. According to every article posted in this thread, the school said the suit DID meet guidelines.
I can’t post the link with my phone but the Washington Post states that the cut of the uniform did not meet modesty guidelines. There were other articles showing how the cut of the bottom of the suit did not cover offer full coverage on the bottom of the swimsuit. One I read-maybe from CNN had a school official state that the modern swimsuit could not meet the rules as they were currently written. So while they school did nothing “wrong” the swimsuit technically did not meet modesty guidelines. But like I said this story is more about the unfairness of the ruling and perceived body shaming rather than the fact that the school made a decision that caused the young lady embarrassment.
 

meka72

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We can certainly agree that not everything is complimentary to every body type. But I don’t think that’s necessarily relevant to this particular story.


ETA: to clarify, I don’t think it’s necessarily relevant because the swimmer didn’t have choice on what to wear.
We can disagree.

As far as her being a rule breaker the school stated that the swim suit chosen for their team did not meet modesty guidelines. So there is no argument whether she was breaking the rules because the school admitted the entire team was in breach of the rules. Her body type made it more obvious that she was breaking the rules but that isn’t body shaming.

My sister can go braless or wear shirts with a built in bra. She is a large A cup/small B. I can try and wear the same style and go braless or use the built in bra but being D cup the look is completely different on me. I never thought that because I need to wear a bra or go with a different style top that is was being “shamed”. I understand that everything isn’t for everybody type and move on. What can perfectly fine work ready on her B cup body doesn’t pass the professional look on my body type.
 

dicapr

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The cut of most competitive suits is not in compliance with the rule, Langford said, noting a V-shape angle on the backside of women’s competitive suits sold by most manufacturers.

“Before these suits even get on an athlete’s body, the cut of them isn’t in compliance with the modesty rule,” Langford said.


From the Washington Post. Sorry-I don’t know how to post the link. But this is a quote from her coach.
 

dicapr

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We can certainly agree that not everything is complimentary to every body type. But I don’t think that’s necessarily relevant to this particular story.


ETA: to clarify, I don’t think it’s necessarily relevant because the swimmer didn’t have choice on what to wear.

I can see that. But like I said that also falls on the parents and their responsibility to know what the rules are and what is appropriate. Like I said up thread my mom took one look at my track uniform and said no. And there were enough parents who over-ruled the coach that our uniform changed. We have more power/agency than we think in life.
 

meka72

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I can see that. But like I said that also falls on the parents and their responsibility to know what the rules are and what is appropriate. Like I said up thread my mom took one look at my track uniform and said no. And there were enough parents who over-ruled the coach that our uniform changed. We have more power/agency than we think in life.
We are going to keep going in circles :lachen:because there is no indication that her parent(s) thought there was anything inappropriate.

I do appreciate the respectful debate. :2inlove:
 

dicapr

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We are going to keep going in circles :lachen:because there is no indication that her parent(s) thought there was anything inappropriate.

I do appreciate the respectful debate. :2inlove:
You have been respectable. Thanks. I’m a rule follower and I can’t with the fact that the school system broke the rules.
 

Everything Zen

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You have been respectable. Thanks. I’m a rule follower and I can’t with the fact that the school system broke the rules.

I feel you on this- If I know something could potentially be a roadblock I’ll make sure it never comes up in the first place.
 

brg240

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the modesty rule is actually arbitrary and something they just started.
The suit is within compliance of the national rules and they've been used with no issue before hand.

But w/e if the suit was already out of regulations for Alaska before they started then everyone that raced for the school should have been disqualified. But they weren't. It's really only this family that is being targeted.
 

GreenEyedJen

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The cut of most competitive suits is not in compliance with the rule, Langford said, noting a V-shape angle on the backside of women’s competitive suits sold by most manufacturers.

“Before these suits even get on an athlete’s body, the cut of them isn’t in compliance with the modesty rule,” Langford said.


From the Washington Post. Sorry-I don’t know how to post the link. But this is a quote from her coach.

Langford is not her coach. She coaches for a different school. And even then, she's speaking of suits in general--not the one in question. The teen's school said the suit is fine.
 

Farida

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I'm sure most of y'all won't like this but anyway; Why is everyone okay with female athletes always being virtually naked, regardless of the sport? Of course, I understand swimmers in bathing suits. But I don't understand track athletes running in bras and panties. If it's about aerodynamics, why does it only apply to women?
I remember years ago Kenyan women runners were still wearing regular shorts and wiping the competition. Now they wear the same panty-type their competitors wear. So I do wonder how much of it is aerodynamics and societal pressure/standards. I don’t know anything about competitive swimming so I have no comment on that.
 
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