The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

Black Ambrosia

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I’m not sure how much is too much. I definitely see stocking up on non perishables but I don’t see myself getting y2k level of preparation. I hear we need to prepare mentally for the possibility of being quarantined for a month if you get the virus. Also heard that we might not see the worst of it until next flu season. Doesn’t sound like this is going away anytime soon.
 

Black Ambrosia

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Clorox wipe handles, knobs, phones, desk surfaces etc.

You may want to take low doses of C and elderberry as a preventative.

Eat well and rest. The healthy are apparently at low risk of serious effects.
This post reminded me of something I read awhile back.


FDA Warns Maker of Purell Not to Claim Sanitizers Prevent Flu, Ebola

The letter stated that the company’s hand sanitizer products were unapproved new drugs and in violation of FDA rules.
By Alexa Lardieri, Staff Writer 
Jan. 28, 2020

FDA sent a letter to Purell parent company Gojo Industries earlier this month, stating that its hand sanitizer products were unapproved new drugs and in violation of FDA rules. The letter states that Gojo claims on its website that its products may be effective against viruses such as Ebola, the norovirus and the flu.

"These statements ... clearly indicate your suggestion that Purell Healthcare Advanced Hand Sanitizers are intended for reducing or preventing disease from the Ebola virus, norovirus, and influenza," the letter states.

However, the FDA said it is not aware of any studies that show that killing or decreasing the number of bacteria or viruses on the skin produces a reduction in infection or disease caused by those bacteria or viruses.

While the FDA is "not aware of any hand sanitizers that have been tested against Ebola viruses," Ebola, along with the flu, is an enveloped virus. These viruses are easily killed or inactivated by alcohol and the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend using an alcohol-based sanitizer as a preventive measure.

Purell hand sanitizers are formulated with ethyl alcohol.

Samantha Williams, the senior director of Gojo corporate communications, said in a statement that the company "took immediate action to respond to FDA claim requirements after receiving a warning letter from the agency," though she did not specify what the actions were.

Despite the scolding, Williams reassured consumers that "the letter was not related to the safety or quality of our products, or our manufacturing processes. Our products can and should continue to be used as part of good hand hygiene practice, to reduce germs."

While not addressed in the FDA's letter, Gojo also claims that its Purell surface disinfectants "demonstrated effectiveness against human Coronavirus," a potentially deadly virus that has killed more than 100 people and infected more than 4,000 others.
 

Black Ambrosia

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Purell may help but my take away from that article is that regular alcohol is good enough. It’s too drying to be my regular preference but it’s probably still available and not as susceptible to price gauging at least right now.

 

Black Ambrosia

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Now you got to hide the dog too.
 

Black Ambrosia

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What happened to this guy isn’t specific to the Coronavirus but it’s a timely reminder to anyone with lower tier insurance coverage that you’re likely not getting what you think you’re paying for.

A Miami man who flew to China worried he might have coronavirus. He may owe thousands.


BY BEN CONARCK
FEBRUARY 24, 2020 10:01 AM

Under normal circumstances, Azcue said he would have gone to CVS for over-the-counter medicine and fought the flu on his own, but this time was different. As health officials stressed preparedness and vigilance for the respiratory illness, Azcue felt it was his responsibility to his family and his community to get tested for novel coronavirus, known as COVID-19.

He went to Jackson Memorial Hospital, where he said he was placed in a closed-off room. Nurses in protective white suits sprayed some kind of disinfectant smoke under the door before entering, Azcue said. Then hospital staff members told him he’d need a CT scan to screen for coronavirus, but Azcue said he asked for a flu test first.

“This will be out of my pocket,” Azcue, who has a very limited insurance plan, recalled saying. “Let’s start with the blood test, and if I test positive, just discharge me.”

Fortunately, that’s exactly what happened. He had the flu, not the deadly virus that has infected tens of thousands of people, mostly in China, and killed at least 2,239 as of Friday’s update by the World Health Organization.

But two weeks later, Azcue got unwelcome news in the form of a notice from his insurance company about a claim for $3,270.

In 2018, President Donald Trump’s administration rolled back Affordable Care Act regulations and allowed so-called “junk plans” in the market. Consumers mistakenly assume that the plans with lower monthly costs will be better than no insurance at all in case of a medical catastrophe, but often the plans aren’t very different from going without insurance altogether.

Hospital officials at Jackson told the Miami Herald that, based on his insurance, Azcue would only be responsible for $1,400 of that bill, but Azcue said he heard from his insurer that he would also have to provide additional documentation: three years of medical records to prove that the flu he got didn’t relate to a preexisting condition.

While Azcue’s experience shows the potential cost of testing for a disease that epidemiologists fear may develop into a public health crisis in the U.S., one insurance expert sees the episode as a cautionary tale about the potential risks associated with deregulation in the insurance market.

“When someone has flu-like symptoms, you want them to to seek medical care,” said Sabrina Corlette, a Georgetown University professor and co-director of the Center on Health Insurance Reforms. “If they have one of these junk plans and they know they might be on the hook for more than they can afford to seek that care, a lot of them just won’t, and that is a public health concern.”

Azcue said he earns about $55,000 a year working for a medical device company that does not offer health insurance, but his insurance plan wasn’t always so narrow. Last year, Azcue said he was covered under an Affordable Care Act-compliant plan that cost him about $278 in monthly premiums.

Those premiums shot up to $400 a month when his full year salary kicked in, so he canceled his plan in November, he said. Azcue said he now pays $180 per month for the limited plan from National General Insurance.

The limited plan’s requirement to provide three years of medical records before coverage kicks in, Corlette said, is not uncommon. The professor said she’s seen it come up for conditions like cancers that were never diagnosed but might have been hinted at in doctors’ visits from years past.

“That’s the critical difference between [Affordable Care Act] plans and junk plans,” she said. “[Junk plans] will not cover preexisting conditions.”

A spokesperson for National General Insurance did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Jackson Health officials say that there are more bills for Azcue on the way, but it’s unclear what those will total, as they are going to be issued by the University of Miami Health System, or UHealth, for treatment provided by their staff physicians who work at Jackson.

Azcue said his experience underscores how the costs of healthcare in the U.S. could interfere with preventing public health crises.

“How can they expect normal citizens to contribute to eliminating the potential risk of person-to-person spread if hospitals are waiting to charge us $3,270 for a simple blood test and a nasal swab?” he said.

Plans that comply with the Affordable Care Act often have high deductibles, too, Corlette said, but are likely to provide more reimbursement than the more restricted plans. Plus, she added, those ACA plans are required to cover flu shots and other preventative care.

“The idea that [the insurer] would have to comb through three years of his records just to determine if the flu was a preexisting condition is just crazy,” Corlette said. “But that’s how most of these plans operate.”

On the left, Osmel Martinez Azcue takes a selfie of himself at Jackson Memorial Hospital while wearing a surgical mask. On the right, a photo of his passport stamped by Chinese authorities from a recent trip.
 

vevster

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I'm very happy with this......

https://www.forceofnatureclean.com/

You make your own non toxic disenfectant. You can use any paper towel or cloth.\
If you follow them on IG you can get a 50% off coupon for the starter set.

When you think of surfaces my god you need to walk with something. I garage my car so in the morning, I have to wipe down the door handles and steering wheel!

Its horrible....
 
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UmSumayyah

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I’m not sure how much is too much. I definitely see stocking up on non perishables but I don’t see myself getting y2k level of preparation. I hear we need to prepare mentally for the possibility of being quarantined for a month if you get the virus. Also heard that we might not see the worst of it until next flu season. Doesn’t sound like this is going away anytime soon.
Good time to buy puzzles I guess.
 

weaveadiva

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I keep hearing that most masks will not protect you from this virus, they just protect others from you spreading your germs when you sneeze or cough.
This. People are doing the most. The virus molecules are so small that they penetrate a mask. Also the mask is supposed to be one-time use, which I'm sure people aren't doing.

This info is from a doctor on The View.
 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
Chinese researchers stripped of security clearance at Canada lab for deadly human diseases


https://www.spencerfernando.com/201...ng-possible-foreign-espionage-concerns-swirl/


I recently wrote about how Chinese researcher Dr. Xiangguo Qui, her husband, and some students from China were booted from Canada’s only Level 4 Virology Lab:

“In what is a very disturbing revelation, it has been revealed that Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng, and some students from China, were removed from Canada’s Level 4 virology lab in Winnipeg, Manitoba.


The lab is Canada’s only level 4 virology lab, where the most deadly diseases are held and analyzed. Among the diseases held at the lab is the deadly Ebola virus.”


Qui had also served as an adjunct professor at the University of Manitoba.


Not anymore.
 

dancinstallion

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@5:43 minute in video:
from the book by Dean Koontz, The Eyes of Darkness: This book is about a biological weapon that was created.

"In around 2020, a severe pneumonia like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments. Almost more baffling than the illness itself, it will suddenly vanish, as quickly as it arrived, attack again 10 years later and disappear completely."

Page 333 or 355 (I can't see the page number.)

"[...] It was around then that a Chinese scientist named Li Chen defected to the United States, carrying a diskette record of China's most important and dangerous new biological weapon in a decade. They call the stuff 'Wuhan-400' because it was developed at their RDNA labs, outside the city of Wuhan, and it was the 400-th viable strain of man made microorganisms created at the research center.

Wuhan-400 is a perfect weapon." [...]

( I don't have this particular book.)



No, Dean Koontz did not predict coronavirus in 1981 thriller novel
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/no-dea...-coronavirus-in-1981-thriller-novel-1.4822194

TORONTO -- A passage from author Dean Koontz’s 1981 fictional novel “The Eyes of Darkness” has gone viral for purportedly predicting the real-world outbreak of the novel coronavirus.

Segments of the novel have been shared widely on social media over the last week, showing eerie similarities between the COVID-19 virus and the book’s fictional outbreak called “Wuhan-400.”

“They call the stuff Wuhan-400 because it was developed at their RDNA labs outside of the city of Wuhan,” reads a passage from the book, which can be seen on Amazon’s preview of the paperback edition of the novel published in December 2008.


Full coverage CTVNews.ca/Coronavirus

No, Dean Koontz did not predict coronavirus in 1981 thriller novel

First round of Wuhan evacuees to be released from quarantine today

Iran reports 2 more deaths, 13 new cases of new coronavirus

As Canadians from cruise ship fly home, those who tested positive can only wait

Virus cases jump in South Korea to 346, China daily count drops

Canadians are Googling coronavirus more than anyone else in the world: report

Man quarantined for 14 days on military base warns new evacuees: 'It's not fun'

IATA: Virus may slash US$29 billion from airlines' revenue

Japan to let off last healthy cruise travellers, isolate rest

Ukrainian protesters hurl stones at evacuees from China

COVID-19 cases rise in South Korea, China as outbreak spreads

China changes method of counting virus infected... again


While the novel includes mention of Wuhan, China, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak, the book’s fictionalized outbreak is far from reality.

For starters, the “Wuhan-400” virus from the novel is a human-made biological weapon. The coronavirus is not, despite online rumours suggesting the new virus was created in a lab early on in the outbreak.

Fact-checking website Snopes points out that in the novel, the “Wuhan-400” virus had a 100 per cent fatality rate, whereas the current coronavirus fatality rate sits at about two per cent.

The fact-checking website also notes that while the 2008 publication of the book mentions Wuhan, other iterations of the book used a different name for the fictional weapon.

“When we searched a 1981 edition of this book available via Google Books we found no references to “Wuhan.” In that edition, this biological weapon is called “Gorki-400” after the Russian city where it was created,” reads the Snopes investigation.

“We’re not entirely sure when or why this change occurred. From what we can tell, the biological weapon was originally called ‘Gorki-400’ when this book was published in 1981. But by 2008, the name had been changed to ‘Wuhan-400.’”

CTVNews.ca has contacted the publisher for comment on the matter.

Wow, I said they are trying to create a recession. I dont put ANYTHING pass scientists creating things in the lab and infecting people. The chinese are easy targets cuz they love eating exotic meats, bats and other animals they have no business eating. It was bound to happen.
 

dancinstallion

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@5:43 minute in video:
from the book by Dean Koontz, The Eyes of Darkness: This book is about a biological weapon that was created.

"In around 2020, a severe pneumonia like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments. Almost more baffling than the illness itself, it will suddenly vanish, as quickly as it arrived, attack again 10 years later and disappear completely."

Page 333 or 355 (I can't see the page number.)

"[...] It was around then that a Chinese scientist named Li Chen defected to the United States, carrying a diskette record of China's most important and dangerous new biological weapon in a decade. They call the stuff 'Wuhan-400' because it was developed at their RDNA labs, outside the city of Wuhan, and it was the 400-th viable strain of man made microorganisms created at the research center.

Wuhan-400 is a perfect weapon." [...]

( I don't have this particular book.)



No, Dean Koontz did not predict coronavirus in 1981 thriller novel
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/no-dea...-coronavirus-in-1981-thriller-novel-1.4822194

TORONTO -- A passage from author Dean Koontz’s 1981 fictional novel “The Eyes of Darkness” has gone viral for purportedly predicting the real-world outbreak of the novel coronavirus.

Segments of the novel have been shared widely on social media over the last week, showing eerie similarities between the COVID-19 virus and the book’s fictional outbreak called “Wuhan-400.”

“They call the stuff Wuhan-400 because it was developed at their RDNA labs outside of the city of Wuhan,” reads a passage from the book, which can be seen on Amazon’s preview of the paperback edition of the novel published in December 2008.


Full coverage CTVNews.ca/Coronavirus

No, Dean Koontz did not predict coronavirus in 1981 thriller novel

First round of Wuhan evacuees to be released from quarantine today

Iran reports 2 more deaths, 13 new cases of new coronavirus

As Canadians from cruise ship fly home, those who tested positive can only wait

Virus cases jump in South Korea to 346, China daily count drops

Canadians are Googling coronavirus more than anyone else in the world: report

Man quarantined for 14 days on military base warns new evacuees: 'It's not fun'

IATA: Virus may slash US$29 billion from airlines' revenue

Japan to let off last healthy cruise travellers, isolate rest

Ukrainian protesters hurl stones at evacuees from China

COVID-19 cases rise in South Korea, China as outbreak spreads

China changes method of counting virus infected... again


While the novel includes mention of Wuhan, China, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak, the book’s fictionalized outbreak is far from reality.

For starters, the “Wuhan-400” virus from the novel is a human-made biological weapon. The coronavirus is not, despite online rumours suggesting the new virus was created in a lab early on in the outbreak.

Fact-checking website Snopes points out that in the novel, the “Wuhan-400” virus had a 100 per cent fatality rate, whereas the current coronavirus fatality rate sits at about two per cent.

The fact-checking website also notes that while the 2008 publication of the book mentions Wuhan, other iterations of the book used a different name for the fictional weapon.

“When we searched a 1981 edition of this book available via Google Books we found no references to “Wuhan.” In that edition, this biological weapon is called “Gorki-400” after the Russian city where it was created,” reads the Snopes investigation.

“We’re not entirely sure when or why this change occurred. From what we can tell, the biological weapon was originally called ‘Gorki-400’ when this book was published in 1981. But by 2008, the name had been changed to ‘Wuhan-400.’”

CTVNews.ca has contacted the publisher for comment on the matter.


That book is now selling for more than 8x its worth.
 

Jmartjrmd

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This. People are doing the most. The virus molecules are so small that they penetrate a mask. Also the mask is supposed to be one-time use, which I'm sure people aren't doing.

This info is from a doctor on The View.
I get what you're saying and I just recently became the paranoid type lol but they do not know everything about this particular strand of coronavirus otherwise they'd be able to contain it. Now they have 2 confirmed cases in Cali where two women do not know how they came in contact with the virus which likely means it's in the community.

Now that I have such a weak heart and immune system I'm doing way more than I normally would and I'm a nurse. Psychology I feel better lol.

But I betcha if those doctors were told to go treat some suspected cases they'd have those masks on. That's the thing by the time someone shows symptoms you're already potentially exposed.

So imma wear all my ppe just in case.
 

sheanu

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My office is near a few I'd the financial advisors. These people are calling in panicking. One of em even wanted to know if he should sell his FDIC insured CD. This could really be a good time to buy and refinance.
 

Black Ambrosia

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My office is near a few I'd the financial advisors. These people are calling in panicking. One of em even wanted to know if he should sell his FDIC insured CD. This could really be a good time to buy and refinance.
ITA. I mentioned in the recession thread that I bought my car during the last recession and got a really good deal. At over 200k miles I need to start planning for the next one so this recession is timely. It can be a blessing financially depending on your situation. Refinancing, home purchases, auto purchases, stocks, etc
 

Black Ambrosia

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It's likely there are more coronavirus cases in the United States than the numbers show

(CNN) — If you show up at NYU Langone Health in New York City with a fever and a cough, they're going to assume you have the novel coronavirus.

"We don't care if you've traveled to us from China or from Queens, we're going to put a mask on you," said Dr. Michael Phillips, an infectious disease specialist at NYU.

The New York University doctors and other experts are convinced there could be more novel coronavirus cases in the United States than have been officially announced. More than 60 cases have been identified in the US.

Several factors, such as testing delays and the fact that the virus can spread before an infected person shows any signs, have led them to this conclusion.

Recent US cases of coronavirus support that theory.

While the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been focused on finding coronavirus among travelers from China and their close contacts, on Wednesday it announced the first US case with an unknown origin. The patient hadn't traveled to China and had no known exposure to someone with coronavirus. Since then, more cases of unknown origin have been identified in the United States.

"That suggests that the virus is out there in the community, and that means pretty much that everybody's at risk," said Dr. Dean Blumberg, an infection disease specialist at UC Davis Medical Center, where one of the California patients is being treated, told CNN affiliate KCRA. "We don't know who might be carrying it. We don't know who we can get it from."

'An interesting and complicated problem'

Early on in the outbreak, Johns Hopkins epidemiologist Justin Lessler started to think along the same lines as the NYU doctors.

Lessler's team wondered: Could there have been cases of coronavirus in the US even before the first case in the country was announced on January 21?

They took a look at a calendar.

The first known case of coronavirus anywhere in the world occurred in Wuhan, China, on December 8. For the next six weeks, people flew out of Wuhan and surrounding cities, until China locked down the area on January 23.

Lessler's team set up a computer model to look at that time period and found that most likely about four people who were infected with coronavirus -- but possibly as many as 10 - traveled from Hubei province to California during this time. They looked at California because that's the state expected to bear the largest brunt of the outbreak.

Lessler calls these estimates "very rough" and emphasizes that this is just modeling.

But if their model is right, and even one infected traveler entered California unnoticed during this time, he or she might have spread the disease to others.

"It's an interesting and complicated problem," said Lessler, an associate professor of epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Looking for coronavirus in the community

The CDC knows there could be cases of coronavirus they might have missed. That's why they've set up surveillance labs in five cities -- Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago and New York City -- to look for cases. These labs, which routinely check patient specimens for flu, will start checking for coronavirus in specimens that test negative for flu.

The surveillance plan was announced about two weeks ago, but it's unclear if it's started because there's been a delay in distributing lab kits. The CDC said Friday that more state and local labs were coming online for testing in the next few days.

While experts say the surveillance could show there's spread beyond the known cases, they also say they don't believe there have been large, undetected clusters of coronavirus without anyone noticing.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, said it's "unlikely" that there are "entire cohorts" of coronavirus cases that no one's picked up on.

For example, he said someone unknowingly infected with coronavirus might have gotten off a flight from China and taken an Uber home. He said it's possible the Uber driver became infected and wasn't officially counted as a case, but he doubts that the driver started a large chain of transmission.

"We could have missed one or two cases, but not entire cohorts," Fauci said.

Ron Klain, who served as Ebola czar under President Obama, said the United States may not have found cases of coronavirus here "because we haven't looked."

"We haven't really tested extensively. We don't know how widespread it is. If you don't test, you're not going to find it," Klain told CNN's Jake Tapper on Thursday. "I think what's clear is however many cases there are here now, there are going to be more."

Why coronavirus cases might go undetected

Experts say there are several reasons there could be unidentified cases of coronavirus in the US.

First is that early cases might have been missed, as demonstrated by the Johns Hopkins model.

Secondly, some people with coronavirus have no symptoms, or are just mildly ill. Even someone coming off a flight from coronavirus hotspots such as China, Italy or South Korea might attribute feeling slightly ill to something besides coronavirus.

"That's human nature," NYU's Phillips said. "They're going to think -- maybe it's the airplane food. I'm going to get better."

Thirdly, some people traveling into the US from these hotspots might intentionally deny feeling sick because they don't want to be isolated in a hospital for two weeks. If they're on a flight from China, and they know they'll be checked for fever when they land in the US, they could take Tylenol or Advil to mask the fever.

"Being a suspicious New Yorker, I'm like, 'Prove it to me that people aren't going to do that,' " Phillips said.

And finally, so far 12 people have traveled through US commercial airports and were later found to be infected with coronavirus. For a period of time, these travelers were symptom-free before they were diagnosed.

It's known that someone can spread coronavirus even before they develop symptoms. But health authorities have not routinely traced back all the contacts a person had before they became ill, so it's possible that some of them were missed and spread the virus.

For all these reasons, experts say there could be cases that we're missing.

"Anyone would be foolish to say it's not possible," said Dr. Arthur Reingold, head of the division of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California, Berkeley.
https://longhaircareforum.com/safar...tics/hhs-whistleblower-coronavirus/index.html
 

UmSumayyah

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And stock. Everything is on sale. I'm just trying to figure out what to buy.
Why was I thinking "soup" when you first said this!

I hear Clorox is up.

If there are any American companies that make medicines using some components out of China, that may be good. This whole thing is making it seem like a life or death idea to bring a lot of manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. We depend on them for too many medical supplies.
 

Black Ambrosia

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Why was I thinking "soup" when you first said this!

I hear Clorox is up.

If there are any American companies that make medicines using some components out of China, that may be good. This whole thing is making it seem like a life or death idea to bring a lot of manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. We depend on them for too many medical supplies.
This is the downside of capitalism. Everything is driven by cost so we find ourselves beholden to other countries and are directly impacted when their systems fall apart.

I'm not a socialist btw. This is just an observation.
 
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