The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

Jmartjrmd

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:( I wish her the best

There weren't any other nurses that could be on that floor?

Smh i can't believe people think she should suck it up. People have it twisted you should not have tio die for your job. You should not suffer for your job. Bc in the grand scheme of things your job doesn't care about you
Unfortunately this is a nursing cultural thing. They will assign you patients knowing you shouldn't be getting them just to spite you.
Long ago when I was a manager we had a baby with something that the guidelines said no pregnant staff is to be assigned to that baby. I didn't work the weekends so on a Saturday night my charge nurse assigned a very pregnant nurse to that baby. We were a full house with 56 patients which means we had plenty of non pregnant staff to get that baby.
I get a call from a different charge nurse a few hours after the shift started to let me know what was going on. I was so livid driving up to that hospital.
The previous charge makes assignments but the incoming could have changed it. Their rationale was nobody wanted to get sick so everybody should have to take that baby. Not cool because they put that unborn baby at risk and that was unacceptable.
But yeah most nurses are good and kind hearted people but the actions of the rest overpower the goodness at times. And a lot of nurses will not stand up for themselves for fear of their job/ license. My nurse should have refused the assignment but she suited up and worked in fear those few hours.
I'm glad she did what was best for her health. If I were working I would have had to quit yo especially with the lack of PPE. There are already doctors, nurses and EMTs critically ill or dead who clearly had nothing to even try to protect themselves.
 

moneychaser

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*sigh*
I've been taking this seriously, but honestly I never thought it would get "wear a mask in everyday life" serious. I guess if you don't have a mask you don't leave the house. And since there aren't even enough for medical staff then regular folks aren't getting any.

this is a good documentary to watch which shows how China was able to contain this virus. We are way behind.
 

nyeredzi

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If your family needed a medical procedure at a hospital that does not have the equipment, would you have the family member stay there? If you were performing a procedure and definitely did not have what you needed to do the procedure would you still do it?

Order the equipment and make sure the professionals have it. Stop playing like they have to deal with making Macgyver equipments when trucks can bring in equipment from elsewhere.

I bet if this was a TB or H1N1 outbreak equipment would be coming out of emergency storage or patients would be left to die.
So to clarify, you think they can get the equipment but for some reason are choosing not to?

I don't know what I would do in various situations. It depends on what my choices are. If the choice is to be left to die or be treated in less than ideal circumstances, I'll choose the latter. Also depends on how serious my condition is.
 

Keen

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*sigh*
I've been taking this seriously, but honestly I never thought it would get "wear a mask in everyday life" serious. I guess if you don't have a mask you don't leave the house. And since there aren't even enough for medical staff then regular folks aren't getting any.
That’s what China did. They wore mask even inside their home. But we have been discouraged from wearing masks. They said it won’t help. The truth is there isn’t enough for frontline workers, let alone the general public.
 

brg240

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I guess we'll see what they say in the coming days

*sigh*
I've been taking this seriously, but honestly I never thought it would get "wear a mask in everyday life" serious. I guess if you don't have a mask you don't leave the house. And since there aren't even enough for medical staff then regular folks aren't getting any.

Just wanted to update worth more accurate info.

I am trying to trust what the CDC says but they've changed what they said already.
 

Black Ambrosia

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I have been giving the CDC’s mask advice the side eye from the start. They said, “Don’t wear masks because they won’t protect you from the virus and health care workers need the masks to protect themselves from the virus.” :look:

I am using my masks.
Agree 100%. Never made sense. They should've been honest from the start and said healthcare workers need them more than the rest of us. If a national shelter in place order was implemented early then people wouldn't worry about masks so much.
 

shelli4018

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Just wanted to update worth more accurate info.

I am trying to trust what the CDC says but they've changed what they said already.
Unfortunately I don’t really look to the administration for guidance on this. Too many qualified agency heads have been replaced with ignorant Trump loyalists. Can’t even watch the daily coronavirus briefings anymore. They make absolutely no sense.
 

Everything Zen

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^ I had to get a box from my parents in Indiana before my trip in January as we were already running out due to the outbreak at that time bc I didn’t feel comfortable flying without them even them. The shelves were already empty in Chicagoland back then. I have one box of 50.
 

Kanky

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Agree 100%. Never made sense. They should've been honest from the start and said healthcare workers need them more than the rest of us. If a national shelter in place order was implemented early then people wouldn't worry about masks so much.
A lot of the advice being given is to avoid a panic. By panic they mean “people acting in self interested ways.” Almost all of the advice being given is not in your best interests at the moment. For example:

1. Don’t hoard supplies - supply chains are interrupted. I know people who haven’t been able to find basic things for weeks. Hoarders are ahead of the game. A lot of basic medical supplies are sold out.

2. Don’t sell your stock - rich people and politicians did. I did too, but because I was planning some large purchases and got lucky with the timing.

3. No need for guns and ammo - yeah ok. Meanwhile they are releasing criminals from prison and large numbers of people are out of work and desperate.

4. You don’t need to take out cash from the bank. Cash is king in an emergency. Imagine quarantine plus a natural disaster. Hurricane season and other disasters are not canceled.
 

Black Ambrosia

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I've been reading a lot about ozone and it's effectiveness on killing viruses. I think hospitals should consider having an ozone area to disinfect PPE a few times a day. It's not safe to inhale so precautions would have to be taken but it's worth investigating imo given that healthcare providers are forced to reuse PPE.

This article was written by an ozone association so there's obvious bias but it's a good overview of the concept. There are no studies on covid-19 but the article references multiple studies on ozone's effectiveness killing SARS which is also a coronavirus. There are sources at the bottom if anyone is interested in researching.
Medical Study Finds that Ozone Kills Coronavirus

As the coronavirus continues to evolve and become more virulent, there are many unanswered questions as there have been no proper clinical or scientific studies that have been conducted on it yet with regards to its properties etc as the 2019-nCoV coronavirus only made its maiden debut in December 2019.

There are questions about how long a virus such as the coronavirus, can survive outside a host ie on surfaces.

The influenza virus can survive anything between 5 hours up to 7 days on an outside surface depending on the environment temperature and humidity whereas noroviruses that typically attack the gastrointestinal tract, can survive up to four weeks on surfaces even in hot and dry conditions and can withstand most disinfectants.

Typically most respiratory viruses such as the coronavirus favour a cooler temperature.

There have been no studies done so far on the new coronavirus or even on the SARS virus, its ‘close cousin’ with regards to how long it can survive outside on surfaces.

It is wrong to assume that the coronavirus can only remain active for a few hours on the surface as suggested by one health organization via its online site, that is claiming it’s the leading source of information on the coronavirus when there is no scientific proof of that. Should anyone get infected as a result of conditions contrary to their advice, they should not hesitate to sue that organization in court for disseminating information that is not yet ascertained scientifically thus causing harm.

Viruses typically are not really living organisms per se. They are complex bio-molecules that need a living cell to be active.

In order to be safe, as we still do not really know how long these coronaviruses can survive on surfaces, its best to disinfect areas that have lots of contact with people whether or not they are showing signs of having been infected or not.

One good way to do that is by deploying ozone gas.

Ozone gas has been proven to kill the SARS coronavirus and since the structure of the new 2019-nCoV coronavirus is almost identical to that of the SARS coronavirus, it is relatively safe to say that it will also work on the new coronavirus though it must be noted that there are no studies to date except one that is currently ongoing n China at the Institute of Virology In Hubei with regards to this. Progress of that study has shown that it works and the study should be concluded by the end of this week and officially published in the journal Virology.

There are more than 17 scientific studies that show Ozone gas is able to destroy the SARS coronavirus.

Ozone is a naturally occurring gas created from oxygen atoms. The oxygen molecule is made up of 2 oxygen atoms. These oxygen molecules are broken into atoms by the corona discharge during lightning storms or by UV light from the Sun. Single oxygen atoms cannot exist alone without regrouping back into diatomic oxygen molecules. During this recombination stage, some atoms will regroup into loosely bonded tri-atomic oxygen. This new molecule is called Ozone or O3.

Ozone generators are able to make ozone from normal air and are normally used as room disinfectants.

The antipathogenic effects of ozone have been substantiated for several decades. Its killing action upon bacteria, viruses, fungi, and in many species of protozoa, serve as the basis for its increasing use in disinfecting municipal water supplies in cities worldwide.

Typically, viruses are small, independent particles, built of crystals and macromolecules. Unlike bacteria, they multiply only within the host cell. Ozone destroys viruses by diffusing through the protein coat into the nucleic acid core, resulting in damage of the viral RNA. At higher concentrations, ozone destroys the capsid or exterior protein shell by oxidation.

Numerous families of viruses including poliovirus I and 2, human rotavirus, Norwalk virus, Parvoviruses, and Hepatitis A, B and non-A non-B are among many others that are susceptible to the virucidal actions of ozone.

Most research efforts on ozone's virucidal effects have centered upon ozone's propensity to break apart lipid molecules at sites of multiple bond configuration. Indeed, once the lipid envelope of the virus is fragmented, its DNA or RNA core cannot survive.

Non-enveloped viruses (Adenoviridae, Picornaviridae, namely poliovirus, Coxsachie, Echovirus, Rhinovirus, Hepatitis A and E, and Reoviridae (Rotavirus), have also begun to be studied. Viruses that do not have an envelope are called "naked viruses." They are constituted of a nucleic acid core (made of DNA or RNA) and a nucleic acid coat, or capsid, made of protein. Ozone, however, aside from its well-recognized action upon unsaturated lipids, can also interact with certain proteins and their constituents, namely amino acids. Indeed, when ozone comes in contact with capsid proteins, protein hydroxides and protein hydroxides and protein hydroperoxides are formed. Viruses have no protections against oxidative stress.

The enveloped viruses are usually more sensitive to physico-chemical challenges than are naked virions. Although ozone's effects upon unsaturated lipids are one of its best-documented biochemical action, ozone is known to interact with proteins, carbohydrates, and nucleic acids.

The new coronavirus is an enveloped virus.

Typically ozone generators should only be used by trained personnel as ozone is dangerous to humans. It can destroy your cells lining your mouth, nasal pathways, and your lungs. It has the ability to cause cell mutations and cause cancer. And for those with the underlying disease, brief exposure to it can be dangerous.

When using the small ozone generators for small room disinfection, make sure you have a timer and never be in the room when the machine is on. The machine should be operated with windows closed and no living thing in the room including pets for about 10 to 15 minutes. (these small machines have a lower ozone volume output, hence a longer time is preferred.) Do not go into the room for at last 3 hours and upon entering, wear a mask and open all windows and air the place for about 15 minutes first before stepping back in.

Source : Thailand Medical news Feb 05, 2020

References:

Gérard V. Sunnen, SARS and Ozone Therapy: Theoretical Considerations, http://www.triroc.com/sunnen/topics/sars.html (2003)

Ozone therapy: A clinical review
A. M. Elvis and J. S. Ekta
J Nat Sci Biol Med. 2011 Jan-Jun; 2(1): 66–70.
doi: 10.4103/0976-9668.82319

SARS: CLEARING THE AIR
Jerome J. Schentag, Pharm. D., Charles Akers, Ph.D., Pamela Campagna, and Paul Chirayath.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK92445/

Development of a Practical Method for Using Ozone Gas as a Virus Decontaminating Agent
James B. Hudson ,Manju Sharma &Selvarani Vimalanathan
Pages 216-223 | Received 30 Jun 2008, Accepted 26 Nov 2008, Published online: 27 May 2009, https://doi.org/10.1080/01919510902747969
 

Black Ambrosia

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Did you all hear the comments Trump made about quarantining New York? A lot people with second homes or family in another state already left.
My mom and I were just talking about this. I have a cousin in NYC and I'm surprised he's still there. He's not rich so there's no second home but he can always stay with his parents or sister out of state.

I'm sure a lot of people right now are trying to get out before this quarantine becomes real. It's not official yet but this is trump's MO. He floats the idea to see how it'll be received and then he does it.
 

OhTall1

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Did you all hear the comments Trump made about quarantining New York? A lot people with second homes or family in another state already left.
I'm concerned with this idea of Trump classifying areas as safe for relaxing social distancing rules. Seems like that would just drive potentially unhealthy people into spaces that already have low numbers of cases. I was on a call with someone in Florida yesterday, and he said that people coming from other states has contributed to the increased cases there. Though he's not a public health expert so I don't know haw accurate that is.
 

shelli4018

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Did you all hear the comments Trump made about quarantining New York? A lot people with second homes or family in another state already left.
I’m reading crazy articles about small towns on the eastern seaboard dealing with an influx of New Yorkers seeking refuge in the 2nd homes. One small island went to far as to ban these folk altogether. They have 1 ambulance, 1 doctor, etc. Said they can’t afford to expose themselves. I understand.

Another article described the wealthy moving in and buying out large portions of grocery store items. Businesses hadn’t expected these city dwellers until summer. So they aren’t prepared.
 

shelli4018

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I'm concerned with this idea of Trump classifying areas as safe for relaxing social distancing rules. Seems like that would just drive potentially unhealthy people into spaces that already have low numbers of cases. I was on a call with someone in Florida yesterday, and he said that people coming from other states has contributed to the increased cases there. Though he's not a public health expert so I don't know haw accurate that is.
That’s what happened in Albany, Ga. An infected person attended a funeral 2 weeks ago and started an unfortunate chain of events.
 

Jmartjrmd

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I've been reading a lot about ozone and it's effectiveness on killing viruses. I think hospitals should consider having an ozone area to disinfect PPE a few times a day. It's not safe to inhale so precautions would have to be taken but it's worth investigating imo given that healthcare providers are forced to reuse PPE.

This article was written by an ozone association so there's obvious bias but it's a good overview of the concept. There are no studies on covid-19 but the article references multiple studies on ozone's effectiveness killing SARS which is also a coronavirus. There are sources at the bottom if anyone is interested in researching.
I have 2 ozone machines since we had foster dogs at one point and didnt want a kennel smelling house. I run mine twice month since now I only have 1 dog and a fish tank. I dunno if it does anything for germs but it does wonders keeping a fresh smelling house. or getting rid of burnt smell like if you burn some popcorn.
But yeah you csnt be in the room while its running..
 
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