VinaytheMrs
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I was just explaining this to someone.
How does everyone feel about the 100-200k deaths? They say that’s best case scenario!
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I was just explaining this to someone.
How does everyone feel about the 100-200k deaths? They say that’s best case scenario!
The thing that I don’t understand is why our death rate could end up being more than 10 times as high as other countries even using extreme social distancing measures and shutting down the economy.
Cause the virus has been circulation for within the U.S for about 4-6 weeks, exponential growth and 4.5 not taking this seriously. Thats why our numbers are so high.
It's the exponential growth is what is screwing us over.
Black Ambrosia
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I don't understand why there isn't a revolt and rioting in front of the White House over this.
Everything Zen
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The fact that he’s sitting here playing politics with disaster supplies based on which governors are his loyalists is an abomination.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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Whatever the statistics for getting COVID-19, I'll still take my chances with it over any vaccine Bill Gates is recommending.The thing that I don’t understand is why our death rate could end up being more than 10 times as high as other countries even using extreme social distancing measures and shutting down the economy.
Everything Zen
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My plan is extreme social isolationism until they find an effective treatment and avoid getting it at all costs until then. I’ll wait on the rest of y’all to see how the vaccine works out in a good decade after they work out the kinks. (Says the person that works in the pharma industry- avoid newer medications like the plague if you can afford to) Let the full drug interaction and long term side effect profile develop in the real world for a few decades or as long as you can. That’s stage IV clinical trial- post market surveillance.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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You know it! However the media is going to frighten us to take the vaccine sooner. We know that's not a good idea but will be frightened to do so anyways. Experiments require payment, free healthcare, and monitoring. Experiments are unpredictable.
Same thing happened on my street yesterday, except that it seemed they came to the wrong house first, then went a few houses over. But they didn’t take anyone away in the end.
I heard so many sirens throughout the night; I have never heard anything like that before. Unfortunately, NYC still refuses to really break down the numbers by neighborhood, so it is hard to get a sense of just how bad (or not) the situation is on a very local level.
Maybe there will be... once the shelter-in-place/lockdown orders are lifted? The area around the White House is probably too contaminated right now.
naturalgyrl5199
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Just peeking in...
Side note: off topic. Light-hearted.
I can’t telework with hubby home and the kids at day care. He wants ME for lunch. This ain’t gone work. :/
I’ve decided to do 1/2 days 2-3 days a week until my staff have all their tech support needs met for working at home. I sent 65 emails yesterday. 65. 15 of those were after 2 PM. The rest before lunch. Sigh.
Side note: off topic. Light-hearted.
I can’t telework with hubby home and the kids at day care. He wants ME for lunch. This ain’t gone work. :/
I’ve decided to do 1/2 days 2-3 days a week until my staff have all their tech support needs met for working at home. I sent 65 emails yesterday. 65. 15 of those were after 2 PM. The rest before lunch. Sigh.
HappyAtLast
Simplicity & Peacefulness
Truth!
And on a (not-so) comically dramatic perspective, "I Am Legend" comes to mind with novel vaccines.
And on a (not-so) comically dramatic perspective, "I Am Legend" comes to mind with novel vaccines.
UmSumayyah
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They said that assumes most places go the way of new York, and that the model is only as good as the data but they have to use the data they have. NYC is very dense with lots of people touching the same thing and crowding into the same place. The streets were so busy that getting germs breathed on you by a passerby was a real possibility. Hundreds thousands touching the same elevator buttons, escalator railings, subway train poles, etc. etc. etc. Then all the people stacked up sky high in apartments, using elevators and sometimes those apartments share ventilation systems.
It's the ideal place for a virus to spread.
Does anyone have any links to previous death toll estimates for the US? I feel like early predictions were much lower, but now I only see 100k and higher.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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I don't see how the estimate would happen unless it is calculating over a period of some time such as 5 or 10 years. However it may mean the consequences of this virus will take a toll on hospitals and lead to death of other people who would have other lived from other medical conditions or counting other respiratory infections such as influenza. Something like that.
Black Ambrosia
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I don't recall ever seeing estimates before. Just trump talking about 15 cases going down to 0. He tried to wish it away so there was never meaningful information communicated.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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Russia is bringing medical supplies to help the U.S. 
Reinventing21
Spreading my wings
Are you still okay?A Major Medical Staffing Company Just Slashed Benefits for Doctors and Nurses Fighting Coronavirus
Alteon Health, a staffing company backed by private-equity firm Frazier Healthcare Partners, will cut salaries, time off and retirement benefits for providers, citing lost revenue. Several hospital operators announced similar cuts.
Emergency room doctors and nurses many of whom are dealing with an onslaught of coronavirus patients and shortages of protective equipment — are now finding out that their compensation is getting cut.
Most ER providers in the U.S. work for staffing companies that have contracts with hospitals. Those staffing companies are losing revenue as hospitals postpone elective procedures and non-coronavirus patients avoid emergency rooms. Health insurers are processing claims more slowly as they adapt to a remote workforce.
“Despite the risks our providers are facing, and the great work being done by our teams, the economic challenges brought forth by COVID-19 have not spared our industry,” Steve Holtzclaw, the CEO of Alteon Health, one of the largest staffing companies, wrote in a memo to employees on Monday.
The memo announced that the company would be reducing hours for clinicians, cutting pay for administrative employees by 20%, and suspending 401(k) matches, bonuses and paid time off. Holtzclaw indicated that the measures were temporary but didn’t know how long they would last.
“It’s completely demoralizing,” said an Alteon clinician who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “At this time, of all times, we’re putting ourselves at risk but also putting our families at risk.”
Some co-workers are already taking on extra burdens such as living apart from their families to avoid the risk of infecting them, the clinician said. “A lot of sacrifices are being made on the front line that the administration is not seeing because they’re not stepping foot in a hospital,” she said. “I’ve completely lost trust with this company.”
Other employers will soon follow suit, Holtzclaw said, citing conversations with his counterparts across the industry. “You can be assured that similar measures are being contemplated within these organizations and will likely be implemented in the coming weeks,” he wrote.
However, another major staffing company for emergency rooms, TeamHealth, said its employees would not be affected. “We are not instituting any reduction in pay or benefits,” TeamHealth said in a statement to ProPublica. “This is despite incurring significant cost for staffing in anticipation of surging volumes, costs related to quarantined and sick physicians, and costs for PPE as we work hard to protect our clinicians from the virus.”
Alteon and its private-equity backer, Frazier Healthcare Partners, didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
Private equity investors have increasingly acquired doctors’ practices in recent years, according to a study published in February in JAMA. TeamHealth was bought by Blackstone Group in 2016; another top staffing firm, Envision Healthcare, is owned by KKR. (The staffing companies have also been implicated in the controversy over “surprise billing.”)
Hospital operators have also announced cuts. Tenet Healthcare, a Dallas-based publicly traded company that runs 65 hospitals, saidit would postpone 401(k) matches and tighten spending on contractors and vendors. Emergency room doctors at Boston’s Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center have been told some of their accrued pay is being held back, according to The Boston Globe. More than 1,100 staffers at Atrius Health in Massachusetts are facing reduced paychecks or unpaid furloughs, and raises for medical staff at South Shore Health, another health system in Massachusetts, are being delayed. Several other hospitals have also announced furloughs.
“We all feel pretty crestfallen,” another ER doctor employed by Alteon said in a text message. “I did expect support from our administrators, and this certainly doesn’t feel like that.”
At Alteon, Holtzclaw wrote that the measures were necessary despite relief available from the $2 trillion stimulus that Congress passed last week. Those provisions include deferring payroll taxes, suspending reimbursement cuts and receiving advance Medicare payments.
Alteon’s pay cut doesn’t affect hourly rates for clinicians, but some of the people characterized as administrative employees are practicing doctors such as medical directors, according to one who spoke on the condition of anonymity. In his case, he said the cut amounts to about $20,000 a year.
“Every day I’m in county and federal emergency meetings. This is besides seeing patients. I’m doing more hands-on work right now than ever before,” he said. “I’m getting calls 24/7 from the hospital administration, the county management team. I have not had a day off in over two weeks. And I’m working all this for 20% less.”
The medical director said he understood the company has to cope with lost income, but he wished the leadership had let employees choose among a range of sacrifices that would best suit their individual circumstances.
“This decision is being made not by physicians but by people who are not on the front lines, who do not have to worry about whether I’m infecting my family or myself,” he said. “If a company cannot support physicians during the toughest times, to me there’s a significant question of integrity.”
Alteon Health, a staffing company backed by private-equity firm Frazier Healthcare Partners, will cut salaries, time off and retirement benefits for providers, citing lost revenue. Several hospital operators announced similar cuts.
Emergency room doctors and nurses many of whom are dealing with an onslaught of coronavirus patients and shortages of protective equipment — are now finding out that their compensation is getting cut.
Most ER providers in the U.S. work for staffing companies that have contracts with hospitals. Those staffing companies are losing revenue as hospitals postpone elective procedures and non-coronavirus patients avoid emergency rooms. Health insurers are processing claims more slowly as they adapt to a remote workforce.
“Despite the risks our providers are facing, and the great work being done by our teams, the economic challenges brought forth by COVID-19 have not spared our industry,” Steve Holtzclaw, the CEO of Alteon Health, one of the largest staffing companies, wrote in a memo to employees on Monday.
The memo announced that the company would be reducing hours for clinicians, cutting pay for administrative employees by 20%, and suspending 401(k) matches, bonuses and paid time off. Holtzclaw indicated that the measures were temporary but didn’t know how long they would last.
“It’s completely demoralizing,” said an Alteon clinician who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “At this time, of all times, we’re putting ourselves at risk but also putting our families at risk.”
Some co-workers are already taking on extra burdens such as living apart from their families to avoid the risk of infecting them, the clinician said. “A lot of sacrifices are being made on the front line that the administration is not seeing because they’re not stepping foot in a hospital,” she said. “I’ve completely lost trust with this company.”
Other employers will soon follow suit, Holtzclaw said, citing conversations with his counterparts across the industry. “You can be assured that similar measures are being contemplated within these organizations and will likely be implemented in the coming weeks,” he wrote.
However, another major staffing company for emergency rooms, TeamHealth, said its employees would not be affected. “We are not instituting any reduction in pay or benefits,” TeamHealth said in a statement to ProPublica. “This is despite incurring significant cost for staffing in anticipation of surging volumes, costs related to quarantined and sick physicians, and costs for PPE as we work hard to protect our clinicians from the virus.”
Alteon and its private-equity backer, Frazier Healthcare Partners, didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
Private equity investors have increasingly acquired doctors’ practices in recent years, according to a study published in February in JAMA. TeamHealth was bought by Blackstone Group in 2016; another top staffing firm, Envision Healthcare, is owned by KKR. (The staffing companies have also been implicated in the controversy over “surprise billing.”)
Hospital operators have also announced cuts. Tenet Healthcare, a Dallas-based publicly traded company that runs 65 hospitals, saidit would postpone 401(k) matches and tighten spending on contractors and vendors. Emergency room doctors at Boston’s Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center have been told some of their accrued pay is being held back, according to The Boston Globe. More than 1,100 staffers at Atrius Health in Massachusetts are facing reduced paychecks or unpaid furloughs, and raises for medical staff at South Shore Health, another health system in Massachusetts, are being delayed. Several other hospitals have also announced furloughs.
“We all feel pretty crestfallen,” another ER doctor employed by Alteon said in a text message. “I did expect support from our administrators, and this certainly doesn’t feel like that.”
At Alteon, Holtzclaw wrote that the measures were necessary despite relief available from the $2 trillion stimulus that Congress passed last week. Those provisions include deferring payroll taxes, suspending reimbursement cuts and receiving advance Medicare payments.
Alteon’s pay cut doesn’t affect hourly rates for clinicians, but some of the people characterized as administrative employees are practicing doctors such as medical directors, according to one who spoke on the condition of anonymity. In his case, he said the cut amounts to about $20,000 a year.
“Every day I’m in county and federal emergency meetings. This is besides seeing patients. I’m doing more hands-on work right now than ever before,” he said. “I’m getting calls 24/7 from the hospital administration, the county management team. I have not had a day off in over two weeks. And I’m working all this for 20% less.”
The medical director said he understood the company has to cope with lost income, but he wished the leadership had let employees choose among a range of sacrifices that would best suit their individual circumstances.
“This decision is being made not by physicians but by people who are not on the front lines, who do not have to worry about whether I’m infecting my family or myself,” he said. “If a company cannot support physicians during the toughest times, to me there’s a significant question of integrity.”
Jmartjrmd
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US hospitals tell staff to keep quiet about coronavirus working conditions
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MzRhonda
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Because the US got a late start, we aren’t testing everyone, our medical staff don’t have PPEs, and not everyone is complying with social distancing.The thing that I don’t understand is why our death rate could end up being more than 10 times as high as other countries even using extreme social distancing measures and shutting down the economy.
MzRhonda
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I think it will be more trump just pulling numbers out of his butt because it sounds better
I also do not see people having parties and going to the beach in other countries like the US. People are still not taking this thing seriously enough. They just charged some parents for child endangerment in new Jersey for having a bar mitzvah with 50 guests. In addition to that I do not see other countries’ healthcare workers wearing garbage bags as PPE. That says a lot...
OhTall1
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Yep. Like the story below. 70 people went out together, came back separately, now 28 have tested positive.
And to people not taking it seriously. I'm in the DMV, and the DC mayor, VA governor and MD governor all told people to stay home and they didn't. Now all three have issued stay at home orders, and people are still asking questions about what that means and if it's even enforceable.
70 Austin Spring-Breakers Chartered A Plane To Mexico. 28 Of Them Now Have COVID-19.
By Andrew Weber | KUT • 18 hours ago
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Austin Public Health says, along with UT Health and University Health Services, it's investigating 70 people who chartered a plane to Mexico for spring break. Twenty-eight have tested positive for COVID-19.
Gabriel C. Pérez / KUT
Of those 70, 28 have tested positive for COVID-19, and dozens are under investigation by the public health authority; four had no symptoms.
The individuals in their 20s flew out together, then took separate flights back, which allowed for the spread of the virus, APH said in an announcement Tuesday morning.
APH and UT Health, along with University Health Services, tracked down the affected travelers using flight manifests, and APH says those who tested positive are self-isolating.
J.B. Bird, director of media relations for UT Austin, told KUT the 28 patients who tested positive for COVID-19 are UT students, adding that the university is working with APH to assist in contact tracing efforts.
"The incident is a reminder of the vital importance of taking seriously the warnings of public health authorities on the risks of becoming infected with COVID-19 and spreading it to others," Bird said.
The health authority says it has notified the Texas Department of State Health Services about the cases.
As of Monday, two people in Austin-Travis County had died of COVID-19 and 206 people had been infected with the disease caused by the new coronavirus.
Roughly half of those positive cases are of people between the ages of 20 and 40, per Austin Public Health's calculation. That share of cases presents a problem for the roughly 10% of Austinites who over 65 and more susceptible to the respiratory illness caused by COVID-19.
But health officials said Tuesday it's "dangerously misguided for young and healthy individuals to believe that they won't suffer severe symptoms" of COVID-19, as roughly a fifth of national COVID hospitalizations were among individuals between 20 and 44.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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They have symptoms?
VinaytheMrs
Loving Life
People literally can not fathom. They think it’s totally impossible.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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Are there any news articles stating health care workers are spreading the virus? Afterall, they were not given proper PPE and had to use the same one therefore cross-contamination.Yep. Like the story below. 70 people went out together, came back separately, now 28 have tested positive.
And to people not taking it seriously. I'm in the DMV, and the DC mayor, VA governor and MD governor all told people to stay home and they didn't. Now all three have issued stay at home orders, and people are still asking questions about what that means and if it's even enforceable.
70 Austin Spring-Breakers Chartered A Plane To Mexico. 28 Of Them Now Have COVID-19.
By Andrew Weber | KUT • 18 hours ago
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Seventy young adults are being investigated for COVID-19 exposure after taking a chartered plane to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, for spring break roughly 10 days ago, Austin Public Health says.
Austin Public Health says, along with UT Health and University Health Services, it's investigating 70 people who chartered a plane to Mexico for spring break. Twenty-eight have tested positive for COVID-19.
Gabriel C. Pérez / KUT
Of those 70, 28 have tested positive for COVID-19, and dozens are under investigation by the public health authority; four had no symptoms.
The individuals in their 20s flew out together, then took separate flights back, which allowed for the spread of the virus, APH said in an announcement Tuesday morning.
APH and UT Health, along with University Health Services, tracked down the affected travelers using flight manifests, and APH says those who tested positive are self-isolating.
J.B. Bird, director of media relations for UT Austin, told KUT the 28 patients who tested positive for COVID-19 are UT students, adding that the university is working with APH to assist in contact tracing efforts.
"The incident is a reminder of the vital importance of taking seriously the warnings of public health authorities on the risks of becoming infected with COVID-19 and spreading it to others," Bird said.
The health authority says it has notified the Texas Department of State Health Services about the cases.
As of Monday, two people in Austin-Travis County had died of COVID-19 and 206 people had been infected with the disease caused by the new coronavirus.
Roughly half of those positive cases are of people between the ages of 20 and 40, per Austin Public Health's calculation. That share of cases presents a problem for the roughly 10% of Austinites who over 65 and more susceptible to the respiratory illness caused by COVID-19.
But health officials said Tuesday it's "dangerously misguided for young and healthy individuals to believe that they won't suffer severe symptoms" of COVID-19, as roughly a fifth of national COVID hospitalizations were among individuals between 20 and 44.
Black Ambrosia
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Thanks to the lack of tests I doubt this will ever be proven in a hospital setting. Maybe in a nursing home.
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