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The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc
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There are fools all over twitter filming outside the hospital talking about how empty the parking lot looks. But if the hospitals aren't allowing visitors, just sick people then wouldn't there be fewer vehicles there than usual?
How are we going to riot when you can’t have more than 10 people together?
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Peppermynt
Defying Gravity
I believe the estimates. I only cried this morning for 20 min or so ... Seeing the firetruck/ambulance across the street at my neighbors house yesterday shook me more than I thought it could given that I've been quasi prepared mentally (I thought). And a play aunt of my DH's went into the hospital Monday and died Tuesday from the virus. Apparently she had gone to a conference in NY recently and came back home sick.
So we just bought a chest freezer off amazon.
As long as amazon prime now continues to have fresh meats and fish available we will be ordering, seasoning and packaging the meat/fish/chicken for freezing. We're chunky 
here (always good in an apocalypse) but I do not believe supply chains will be able to continue to deliver given the forecasts of deaths as well as the fact that many of the front line medical folks may succumb to this as well.
The U.S. as a whole is barely waking up to the facts. Thank goodness blackface Northam is still in office and seems to be making the right decisions for VA along with the DC and MD government.
So we just bought a chest freezer off amazon.
As long as amazon prime now continues to have fresh meats and fish available we will be ordering, seasoning and packaging the meat/fish/chicken for freezing. We're chunky here (always good in an apocalypse) but I do not believe supply chains will be able to continue to deliver given the forecasts of deaths as well as the fact that many of the front line medical folks may succumb to this as well.The U.S. as a whole is barely waking up to the facts. Thank goodness blackface Northam is still in office and seems to be making the right decisions for VA along with the DC and MD government.
I believe the estimates. I only cried this morning for 20 min or so ... Seeing the firetruck/ambulance across the street at my neighbors house yesterday shook me more than I thought it could given that I've been quasi prepared mentally (I thought). And a play aunt of my DH's went into the hospital Monday and died Tuesday from the virus. Apparently she had gone to a conference in NY recently and came back home sick.
So we just bought a chest freezer off amazon.
The U.S. as a whole is barely waking up to the facts. Thank goodness blackface Northam is still in office and seems to be making the right decisions for VA along with the DC and MD government.
Are you still okay?
dream13
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I ordered a chest freezer as well. Lowe’s only had two models in stock and I paid way more than I anticipated. But our current freezer is full to capacity, and I prefer to buy frozen veggies, fruit, and meats in bulk. I have to limit these grocery store runs by any means.
Luckily we recently had a reverse osmosis water filter installed under the kitchen sink. That just about cancels the need to buy cases of bottled water.
Luckily we recently had a reverse osmosis water filter installed under the kitchen sink. That just about cancels the need to buy cases of bottled water.
shasha8685
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This stuff really sucks when it hits home. My dad went to the hospital this weekend with what was initially diagnosed as the flu. Turns out it was COVID-19. Thankfully, he is doing much better now!
How do you all feel about the safety of eating takeout? I haven't eaten anything not cooked at home since this whole message started. I don't believe that takeout cooked, plated and served by poorly paid people who won't get paid if they don't show up to work is safe. I think that they are telling us it is fine for the same supply chain type reasons that they are telling us not to wear masks. Grocery store supply chains aren't designed to feed everyone all of the time. In normal times people eat a lot of meals out and grocery stores can't keep up if we all stop eating takeout.
I don't believe that takeout cooked, plated and served by poorly paid people who won't get paid if they don't show up to work is safe. I think that they are telling us it is fine for the same supply chain type reasons that they are telling us not to wear masks. Grocery store supply chains aren't designed to feed everyone all of the time. In normal times people eat a lot of meals out and grocery stores can't keep up if we all stop eating takeout.
vevster
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Police shut down Hobby Lobby stores that stayed open despite coronavirus
The craft store chain Hobby Lobby seems determined to remain open despite restrictions in most states keeping only “essential businesses” running during the coronavirus pandemic. They’re so determined, in fact, that law enforcement had to shut down locations in both Wisconsin and Indiana on Monday after both briefly opened in the morning.
According to Business Insider, these openings were not isolated incidents. In states ranging from Colorado to North Carolina, Hobby Lobby has tried to insist that it qualifies as “essential,” even though government agencies disagree, since they don’t sell anything universally needed like food, toiletries, medicine, or cleaning products.
The craft store chain Hobby Lobby seems determined to remain open despite restrictions in most states keeping only “essential businesses” running during the coronavirus pandemic. They’re so determined, in fact, that law enforcement had to shut down locations in both Wisconsin and Indiana on Monday after both briefly opened in the morning.
According to Business Insider, these openings were not isolated incidents. In states ranging from Colorado to North Carolina, Hobby Lobby has tried to insist that it qualifies as “essential,” even though government agencies disagree, since they don’t sell anything universally needed like food, toiletries, medicine, or cleaning products.
OhTall1
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^^^I kind of get it but it's tricky. If people are home schooling now, they may need craft materials. As long as they aren't allowing in store shopping and are letting people to just pick up or they're doing curbside pick up from online orders, I think it should be allowed. But no one should be walking up and down aisles shopping.
I used to eat out 2-4 times per week. That has stopped. Not even pizza. I don’t trust anyone or anything. In addition, if it is not wrapped up in packaging or cannot be peeled, I am not buying it. The videos of people spitting on food made me decide to err on the side of caution.
How do you all feel about the safety of eating takeout? I haven't eaten anything not cooked at home since this whole message started.
ThirdEyeBeauty
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Hey what happened to the flu btw? I do not see CDC monitoring flu cases since December 2019. What is that about?
werenumber2
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The thing that I don’t understand is why our death rate could end up being more than 10 times as high as other countries even using extreme social distancing measures and shutting down the economy.
My friend shared an interesting status (Original credit goes to Roderick Douglass on Facebook):
The White House teasing this "100,000" US death toll estimate was completely intentional. Since when would our government give such a staggering and exact projection for American deaths? During what war has a government said "We expect X number of our troops to die"?
Didn't it strike you as odd that Dr. Fauci—someone who speaks so carefully and intentionally—would just blurt out that 100,000 of us would die on national TV?
That's because it *IS* odd.
This was done because they think they can keep deaths well below 100k, so they've provided an arbitrary measure of victory for the administration. Right now 99,000 Americans can die, and our government can proclaim "we won," even though it's a massive and unacceptable failure... And society would be grateful.
Shortly after the 100k announcement, Trump said: "If we can hold that number down to 100,000, it's a horrible number, maybe even less ... we all have done a very good job."
We were HORRIFIED to hear Italy's death toll hit 10k. The US has 5Xs the population of Italy. So why would 100k deaths, or even 50k deaths, be a victory?
The White House essentially handed us an expectation to get used to as the pandemic grows. They've managed to lower the impossibly low bar we already had for them.
DON'T. FALL. FOR. IT.
This is propaganda.
This is "lesser evils."
This is social conditioning.
And it's important we recognize it and call it out.
This is an election year with a sitting president who is a con-artist. Take every projection that comes from this administration with the hugest grain of salt you can find.
shasha8685
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I have no idea. What was told to me was that he was diagnosed with the flu on the 15th. They didn't test my dad for COVID-19 until this past Saturday when he had shortness of breath and wound up in the hospital. So, I don't know if it was a case of him being diagnosed with the flu, resting up until he felt better, then him going back to work and contracting COVID-19 or what. It's all confusing to me.
Reinventing21
Spreading my wings
So glad you are still good !
I am too although it can be mentally exhausting trying to keep the virus out of home, car, my family...but luckily for me, there are some steps I have always done such as taking off shoes right away (I have designated spot by the door), changing to house clothes, keeping hand sanitizer, clorox wipes, soap and water in car etc. Plus, with the paranoia, it is hard not to over analyze everything, like omg, my kid sneezed or wait is my stomach feeling weird lol.
I really appreciate all the informative info you have provided in this thread. I also critically read all media, but sifting through all the bs during this pandemic is a lot , so it is fantastic to have people like you (& others in this thread), analyzing and providing multiple sources and perspectives from around the world, even though and especially because it is so overwhelming, yet necessary to be informed.
Reinventing21
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Reinventing21
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@werenumber2
Yes!! I was confused by that prediction. That makes perfect sense. I hope that message circulates heavily. He is all about and only about his re election.
Yes!! I was confused by that prediction. That makes perfect sense. I hope that message circulates heavily. He is all about and only about his re election.
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China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says
By
Nick Wadhams
and
Jennifer Jacobs
,
4/1/2020, 11:15:50 AM
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PUDONG INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
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Photographer: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg
China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.
The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.
The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.
Read More: New York’s Coronavirus Patients Skew Young, Surprising Doctors
Communications staff at the White House and the Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday on CNN. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.
While China eventually imposed a strict lockdown beyond those of less autocratic nations, there has been considerable skepticism toward China’s reported numbers, both outside and within the country. The Chinese government has repeatedly revised its methodology for counting cases, for weeks excluding people without symptoms entirely, and only on Tuesday added more than 1,500 asymptomatic cases to its total.
Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.
Republican lawmakers in the U.S. have been particularly harsh about China’s role in the outbreak. Enhancing Beijing’s role in the pandemic could be politically helpful to President Donald Trump, who has sought to shift blame for the U.S. outbreak away from his administration’s delays in achieving widespread testing for the virus and mobilizing greater production of supplies such as face masks and hospital ventilators.
“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”
Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus.
Read More: Drugs Trump Touted for Covid-19 Treatment Added to Shortage List
“The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” she said at a news conference on Tuesday. “Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.”
China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.
Read More: Mapping the Outbreak Across the World
U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has publicly urged China and other nations to be transparent about their outbreaks. He has repeatedly accused China of covering up the extent of the problem and being slow to share information, especially in the weeks after the virus first emerged, and blocking offers of help from American experts.
“This data set matters,” he said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. The development of medical therapies and public-health measures to combat the virus “so that we can save lives depends on the ability to have confidence and information about what has actually transpired,” he said.
“I would urge every nation: Do your best to collect the data. Do your best to share that information,” he said. “We’re doing that.”
— With assistance by Justin Sink
(Updates with Pence’s comment in sixth paragraph
By
Nick Wadhams
and
Jennifer Jacobs
,
4/1/2020, 11:15:50 AM
0676518D
PUDONG INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
Private Company
1790093D
PARTY
Private Company
Photographer: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg
China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.
The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.
The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.
Read More: New York’s Coronavirus Patients Skew Young, Surprising Doctors
Communications staff at the White House and the Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday on CNN. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.
While China eventually imposed a strict lockdown beyond those of less autocratic nations, there has been considerable skepticism toward China’s reported numbers, both outside and within the country. The Chinese government has repeatedly revised its methodology for counting cases, for weeks excluding people without symptoms entirely, and only on Tuesday added more than 1,500 asymptomatic cases to its total.
Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.
Republican lawmakers in the U.S. have been particularly harsh about China’s role in the outbreak. Enhancing Beijing’s role in the pandemic could be politically helpful to President Donald Trump, who has sought to shift blame for the U.S. outbreak away from his administration’s delays in achieving widespread testing for the virus and mobilizing greater production of supplies such as face masks and hospital ventilators.
“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”
Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus.
Read More: Drugs Trump Touted for Covid-19 Treatment Added to Shortage List
“The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” she said at a news conference on Tuesday. “Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.”
China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.
Read More: Mapping the Outbreak Across the World
U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has publicly urged China and other nations to be transparent about their outbreaks. He has repeatedly accused China of covering up the extent of the problem and being slow to share information, especially in the weeks after the virus first emerged, and blocking offers of help from American experts.
“This data set matters,” he said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. The development of medical therapies and public-health measures to combat the virus “so that we can save lives depends on the ability to have confidence and information about what has actually transpired,” he said.
“I would urge every nation: Do your best to collect the data. Do your best to share that information,” he said. “We’re doing that.”
— With assistance by Justin Sink
(Updates with Pence’s comment in sixth paragraph
Black Ambrosia
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sunshinebeautiful
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No surprise at all that China concealed the extent of the outbreak. Some other countries, I believe, still are.
Black Ambrosia
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Black Ambrosia
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I was just reading an article about Russia and their strong arm tactics to prevent people from speaking about it.
I admit that I have ordered takeout once since this all started. It was a few weeks ago. I wiped down the containers with disinfectant wipes, washed my hands, and made sure that the food temperature was hot. Thankfully, I didn't get sick. However, as I see the numbers continue to rise in my area, I'm not taking that risk anymore. I don't even want to go out to the store. I'm becoming somewhat of a recluse. I know that's not good but it is what it is.How do you all feel about the safety of eating takeout? I haven't eaten anything not cooked at home since this whole message started.
Black Ambrosia
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awhyley
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Crackers Phinn
Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
I went to Arby's drive thru the other night and was just watching the workers. I wiped my card before handing it to the employee who had gloves on. I watched him take my card, type on a touchtone screen with a greasy ring around the number pads, touch the credit card reader and hand me the card back (which I wiped again) . He didn't make my food but I watched him put the containers in the bag all with the same pair of gloves. What made me pause was him getting the drinks for the car behind me and those same gloves touching the inside and outside of the cup lids. I wanted to get out the car and warn the people behind me but how do you do that with social distancing? I sanitized the containers and zapped the food in the microwave but I'm keeping unsealed food purchases to a minimum.How do you all feel about the safety of eating takeout? I haven't eaten anything not cooked at home since this whole message started.
vevster
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So is the US, so many can't even get tested.
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