Not all this is essential lol but this is what I have...What are essential grocery items you’d be purchasing? MA will hit its peak in just under 2 weeks and I’m working on compiling a list of food that’ll last longest in case I can’t grocery shop for weeks.
There is hope:
Looks like 25 days after complete lock down that one starts to see a small positive change.
Looks like 40 days after complete lock down that one starts to see major positive changes.
Italy and Spain death toll is plateauing, or leveling off. The next thing that usually happens is that the death toll will then start to decrease and decline. It's what Governor Cuomo calls, "The other side of the mountain".
First number of new infections decreases.
Second number of deaths decrease. Usually, you will see the number of deaths spike and increase before they go down. There is a lag time for deaths. Meaning, that even if the number of new infections has significantly decreased, there will be death among and from those that were infected.
@shelli4018 How's your niece?
If you’re in the US you can find day laborers on Craigslist or congregating near the big box hardware stores like Home Depot or Lowe’s. I would also think small businesses and independent contractors would still be looking for work.
Hope you find someone.
I think other countries will deny us entry because of how lackadaisical and disorganized our country been as a whole. So our borders may reopen but no one is coming here. And we won’t be able to go international for a season.@Chicoro
That is great news! But how is the U.S. ever going to get there when we have nine states not doing lockdown, a bunch of pockets of people doing whatever they want including deliberately contaminating others and someone pretending to be president who won't lock down country due to exteme narcissism, arrogance and ignorance?
Some other countries are threatening, ticketing, jailing and behind closed doors likely shooting those that won' t comply.
Plus, our health and mental health systems are sorely lacking.
I fear 45 will look at other countries getting better and reopening and he will think, hey see I told you it wasn't so bad, we can reopen too-- it will just 'go away' without ever admitting why other countries were able to heal.
ETA: And then you have these egoists ^^ posted by @CurlyNiquee ...
@Chicoro
That is great news! But how is the U.S. ever going to get there when we have nine states not doing lockdown, a bunch of pockets of people doing whatever they want including deliberately contaminating others and someone pretending to be president who won't lock down country due to exteme narcissism, arrogance and ignorance?
Some other countries are threatening, ticketing, jailing and behind closed doors likely shooting those that won' t comply.
Plus, our health and mental health systems are sorely lacking.
I fear 45 will look at other countries getting better and reopening and he will think, hey see I told you it wasn't so bad, we can reopen too-- it will just 'go away' without ever admitting why other countries were able to heal.
Basically all countries have universal BCG vaccination other than the U.S., Canada, Italy, Spain and France.
Your house sounds like a palace. Lol!Thanks this idea is very helpful. Never even thought of this. I live in Canada but we have a Craigslist equivalent. Maybe I could put an advert for a man with a van... I feel kind of stupid to be having this problem. It’s so first world. I don’t know why we bought such a big house. I guess it was a cheap fixer upper and I have a lot of nieces and nephews who come and spend summers with us.
I think other countries will deny us entry because of how lackadaisical and disorganized our country been as a whole. So our borders may reopen but no one is coming here. And we won’t be able to go international for a season.
JA YE1 day ago
supporting articles
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-bcg-vaccine.html
A recent analysis of the disparate toll the new coronavirus has taken on middle- and high-income countries found a correlation with B.C.G. policies, concluding that countries that did not implement or had abandoned universal B.C.G. vaccination have had more coronavirus infections per capita and higher death rates. (Low-income countries were excluded from the analysis because of unreliable Covid-19 reporting data and generally poor medical systems.)
https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/in...ebate-over-old-vaccine/ar-BB128HgM?li=AAggbRN
COVID-19 link, as claimed
Researchers from the New York Institute of Technology (NYIT) analysed the global spread of COVID-19, correlated it with data from the world BCG Atlas that shows which countries have BCG vaccine coverage, and came to the conclusion that countries with a policy for universal BCG vaccination have had a lower number of cases than those like the US, where universal BCG vaccination was discontinued after the incidence of TB came down, and Italy.
https://business.financialpost.com/...-vaccine-might-help-fight-the-new-coronavirus
Unlike other vaccines, the BCG vaccine may also boost the innate immune system, first-line defenses that keep a variety of pathogens from entering the body or from establishing an infection. One study in Guinea-Bissau found 50% lower mortality rates in children vaccinated with BCG than in kids who did not get this vaccine. That is a much bigger drop in deaths than could be explained by a reduction in TB cases. Some studies have found similar reductions in respiratory infections among teens and the elderly.
This was in DC yesterday. We'll never get through this if people won't stop being selfish and taking it seriously.
Freedom has costs and benefits. During a pandemic yes an authoritarian government can freely and openly weld your doors shut, shoot you for coming out of the house and disappear you if you disobey orders and speak against them.@Chicoro
That is great news! But how is the U.S. ever going to get there when we have nine states not doing lockdown, a bunch of pockets of people doing whatever they want including deliberately contaminating others and someone pretending to be president who won't lock down country due to exteme narcissism, arrogance and ignorance?
Some other countries are threatening, ticketing, jailing and behind closed doors likely shooting those that won' t comply.
Plus, our health and mental health systems are sorely lacking.
I fear 45 will look at other countries getting better and reopening and he will think, hey see I told you it wasn't so bad, we can reopen too-- it will just 'go away' without ever admitting why other countries were able to heal.
ETA: And then you have these egoists ^^ posted by @CurlyNiquee ...
This was in DC yesterday. We'll never get through this if people won't stop being selfish and taking it seriously.
This information about the BCG vaccine sounds promising but I’m wondering about the numbers out of Jamaica and other countries that still administer the vaccine. Do we know how many people are being tested to have the confidence that their numbers aren’t artificially low?
BCG is already in short supply for other diseases. Namely bladder cancer as it is one of the only drugs available for this often overlooked malignancy. Bladder cancer is one of the more common types and has one of the highest rates of recurrence. This will severely hurt my company’s first BLA. Merck is the only company in the world right now that produces BCG. There are only so many times for recurrence when a TURBT (transurethral resection of a bladder tumor) can be done before the patient is forced to have a cystectomy (bladder removal) which is obviously a significant decrease in the patient’s quality of life.
I sincerely believe the US will get there. Americans are incredible. There is no more creative, more enterprising group of folks than Americans. We are not better than other folks, we just have some unique aspects about us culturally.
A note about the map in my post #2715.
There are 9 states that are not under lock down. Many people are concerned that if these states continue to resist lock down, they will prolong the coronavirus infection in the US.
Ideally, it would be best for them to lock down the same time as the other states. The virus is moving rapidly from East to West in the US. It is moving much slower from West East. The nine (9) states not under lock down have very small incidents of positive cases. We all know now that is how it always starts out. A little bit and then exponential explosion.
I think those states will likely became an epicenter and they will hit the apex and peak of infections later than a New York or a California. Regionally, you can look at US as being a big Europe. The states are in regions. For example, South Korea and Taiwan have had their peak infections and their economy is open. Italy and Spain are starting to plateau and may begin the taper down phase like China and South Korea.d
I really think if push comes to shove, the US will be able to handle these 9 states issues. The question is not will they have infections that will present on the curve, but when. By the time they are at that point, the US's largest economies, California and New York will most likely start to be approaching or be at where China, South Korea and Taiwan are.
To get out of this situation the fastest, as one entire nation, ideally every state should be in lock down at the same time. What may happen is that as the virus infection rate increases from East to West, eventually so the curve will decrease from East to West. I think state economies are going to come up in waves just like the infection peaked in various states in waves.
Other country populations and land sizes are the equivalent to state populations in the US. Spain , France, Germany and Italy all border one another, yet, they have different lock down timetables. Italy and Spain are plateauing just like China did. I think their economies will come back up one, by one.
In a parallel comparison, I think we will see the same thing in the US, various regions and state groupings may experience peaks and then flattening and descents in the curve for the US, at different times. One by one, those states that were previously an epicenter, will eventually turn on their economies.
There will be continued loss of life because scientific data has shown that deaths tend to spike even after there is a decrease in infection rates. Those spikes represent those people who were infected prior to the infection rate decreasing.
Hopefully, the state and region economies will re-open when the states themselves determine that they have their situations under control. It is quite possible that the Federal Government may take credit for it. That is something that is out of our control, including that of the state governors'.
New York is doing a surge and flex process, also called 'rolling deployment', across the state. I think the US is going to copy what New York is doing, which will be a surge and flex process across the US. Once places like New York and California are back up and running, they will probably dispatch people, equipment and personal protection equipment to states that develop a huge patient load, later in time when those other states begin to experience a climb in the infection rate.
I'm convinced that the problem is that the symptoms of this disease aren't jarring enough to convince people that this is truly life threatening. Now if the symptoms involved folks bleeding from their eyes and coughing up blood, there would be tumbleweeds rolling in the streets.
1. At least half of the states refusing to lock down are sparsely populated. That may work in their favor if/when there’s an outbreak. My concern lies with vulnerable populations on reservations with very little resources. I understand some are banning outsiders to protect themselves.
2. California and Washington State have flattened the curve. Their economies may rebound much sooner than red states who are resisting. I wonder how that will play out in an election year?