The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

Black Ambrosia

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We were discussing this earlier. Our parents are accustomed to news being more reliable than it is now. It goes beyond an ability to think critically and into the issue of the false information being easily spread by seemingly reliable news sources.
You're right but I'm more concerned about people who don't listen to any news. A fair amount of skepticism serves you but when you believe there's no value in the news whatsoever you limit yourself to things you see with your own eyes or that you hear from people you trust which is crazy because most of us aren't in a position to be privy to the kind of information we need. And worse it elevates the value of information from less reputable sources.

This is why I was saying critical thinking is so important.
 

vevster

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Have you tried office supply stores or commercial cleaning supply stores online? One thing I am learning is to check commercial avenues of purchase for items since most of it would be in stock and can't be used right now since a good amount of businesses are closed.
Good thinking!
 

Dellas

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First Trump stop meat inspection during the pandemic and now this:


U.S. detects its first case of virulent bird flu in commercial poultry since 2017
(Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Agriculture on Thursday confirmed the country's first case of virulent avian flu in commercial poultry since 2017.

The agency found H7N3 avian influenza, a virulent or highly pathogenic strain, in a turkey flock in Chesterfield County, South Carolina, according to a statement. No human cases of the virus have been detected and there is no immediate public health concern, the USDA said.

The worst-ever U.S. outbreak of avian flu in 2014 and 2015 killed about 50 million birds, most of which were egg-laying hens in Iowa.
 

vevster

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This is what I saw when I tried to order bleach.....

Sorry, this item is restricted.

Due to extraordinary demand, we are not accepting new customers for this item.

  • Uline customers who have ordered this item before may reorder. Quantity limits apply.
  • No preorders or backorders will be accepted.
  • Continue to check the website for most up to date information.
  • Customer Service does not have any additional information regarding lead time or date available.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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Beware parents. Pedophiles are going through withdrawals with schools and parks closed. I saw a post on nextdoor that screamed predator today. Some parents may be distracted with their change of pace with being stay at home with kids right now. Be vigilant on people who "present" help and reprieve. Now is an opportunity for children to be safe and protected with their parents. That said, predators normally rely on parents who are busy, need help, want to pass the buck of raising their own kids or who will break guidelines to identify victims. Keep watch... there is a lot to see even from the house right now. Every offer ain't help.
I'm pretty much on this for very thing right now.
I'm not waiting on these schools to open...we are teaching the next level grades to my Kindergartener.
I'm not waiting on these so-called online grocers to get it together (I tried that--it was a bust, I'm going guerilla warfare into the store)
I'm not waiting on Hurricane season to get ready now.
I'm just sick of the waiting and anticipating.

The government is not trustworthy save the few do-gooders who are not really being heard. I am glad to check into these place for lots of information. @Chicoro you really deserve a gold metal.

I'm tired...I had to pull up pm a sister sitting in her car at our work parking lot. Her partner, a white male was yelling at her,...I guess she pulled their car too far up on the sidewalk and he was trying to dislodge the bumper. He walked away (trying to get into the building, he was stopped) so I asked her if she was alright. She said yeah he is just annoying (she really looked like the type of woman who doesn't take any crap)...but I asked her 2 more times and took off my shades and asked her again....I was ready to sit right there and call the police.

As far as my kids...We've already dropped about a grand on stuff to entertain them in the yard like blow up bouncy castles and water features. They going stir crazy and driving us mad. They can't even play out front unless they are with us. I got 2 crazy neighbors who have chased folk out their yard with shovels and sticks so that's great too. They want ALL THE SMOKE... They look so normal though. I love it.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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Oh---and ladies...

What do you think. I follow an influencer (a sister) who is all about self sufficiency. Very helpful stuff. Because of her, I'm starting a business but that's not the point here...She thinks and has somewhat predicted that only certain people who have antibodies will be able to return to work. she is anti-vaxx. I'm pro-vaxx but I try not to judge. She is asking questions about "how essential are you?" In the context of people thinking 1) Forced vaccinations are coming. 2) unless you have antibodies you are a liability, and without antibodies, you'll need a vaccine for work/school, and that they will create a vaccine scarcity to make people beg for it....therefore unless you do, you will be forced to continue to work, attend school from home (with those who are vaccinated enjoying small class sizes), or you will be a pariah and financial burden to society---quarantined in your home...
Tin foil hat?
maybe... Maybe not.
But she theorizes that once stimulus money runs out and unemployment runs out, Trump won't have to coyly hint at opening the economy up...THE PEOPLE will demand it.
She asks: What do you offer the world? Has the world showed you: We don't need you? (I think that for people who don't use platforms like this---the answer may be no). As an essential worker, I expect to be offered a test, vaccine, antibodies as they become more widely available through my job. She believes the herd is being thinned.
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. However, I am really looking to start my path to working completely for myself.

However, I believe our NEW NORMAL has yet to be completely determined. I do anticipate masks being part of that normal and had a dream my babies were attending school with masks on their face, as an allowable accessory, with their names stitched on it. We've already started to adjust.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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I find online shopping completely unreliable. I tried and waited 3 says for items and right before my pick up time they called to tell me half my order was out of stock, with no good replacements. Just because you put it in your cart doesn't mean you'll get it. So I still go to the store and can decide on the fly what I can make based on whatever is in the store. I'm at a point now where I can just go once a week.
Agreed.

But eventually it will work itself out---ths will be our new normal.
DH and I spent ALL DAY Wednesday trying to pay for our cart on the Sams Club app and was not able to pay to get a pick up date until late Wednesday night, only to have a pick up date and time on Friday. And he STILL has to wait for a text message.
Right now, supply runs are the best way, and calling ahead for certain items. When many cleaning items become available to literally have to be able to type quick to get the items purchased. But my coupon friends are scoring in the wee hours in the morning. However, for now, as long as I can get bleach or Clorox cleanup (or a generic), i'm not looking for wipes, Lysol spray anymore. We are going old school. Same for paper goods and paper towels. Food is in pretty good supply for now. We buy a lot of snacks for the girls but they inhale fresh fruit so we are always running for that and yogurt. I'm now buying a lot of fresh stuff that keeps well when frozen, like bread and milk, orange juice can be frozen for example.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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Personal opinion from an overworked nurse

I've mentioned various times throughout the thread about my anger and frustration with the US government and supposed institutions of authority for failing us citizens. The main reason is that we previously did have some infrastructure, funding, and supplies for this very event but due to Cheeto's idiocy, racism, and ego, all of it's gone. From him disbanding the pandemic committee and cutting CDC funding under the assumption he could just summon them back when he needs them, we've been screwed from the start.

Me and my dad were talking a few weeks back about the NBA players who were positive even though they shouldn't have been based on the then current data. My dad was mentioning how some of those guys were putting up near career number and some of them were the reason their team was in the playoff hunt. And even after the NBA shut down, he checked their SM and most never showed any symptoms, especially not the easily diagnosable ones. No fevers, no cough, barely any sniffles. And this was before the new symptoms being associated with a positive diagnosis. It was then that we both surmised that the reason this started/is spreading so quickly is that there are TONS of people who are probably asymptomatic vectors.

Even though it's not 100% their fault, the CDC can't go back now and say BTW, we were wrong about everything. That's why they keep changing the recommendations for the general public vs essential works. Perhaps they knew, long before now, that the US healthcare system wasn't adequately stocked with PPE but they didn't have the authority to say 'if you're not a healthcare worker/facility, you can't buy any right now'. Now healthcare facilities are having to scramble and compete for one box of mask or gowns that's going to be delivered late and only last 5 days. But they can't order again for another 2 weeks. Partly because suppliers legitimately don't have the stock, but also because of capitalism. If you knew you were the only place with the demanded goods and are therefore automatically guaranteed to sell it all, would you rush to sell everything at a fair price? Especially since you know they are going to come back.

At this point, unfortunately, most essential workers probably fall into the asymptomatic vector category. And the CDC knows this. They can't officially come out and say this (and I have no official articles or documents) but evidence is pointing to this conclusion. Most have never had the proper PPE (if they were even offered any) or are having to reuse it which basically makes it not PPE. And given how long it takes for a positive test result to return, having the worker be out while they're waiting, and then even longer if they get a positive test and require treatment is unfathomable for most companies. That's at least 3 weeks per employee. And they likely wouldn't test everyone in the same day so the 3 weeks would be rolling.

By sheltering in place, this supposedly reduces the risk of an essential worker transmitting it via direct contact. Since they're still saying it's transmitted by droplets, if you aren't in close physical proximity, they can't infect you. Yes, they can leave droplets on items they touch, but if you're at home, you won't be touching it after them so you're safe. Plus, it's easier for you to disinfect your items yourself than it is for the 'authorities' to admit they were wrong.



I've been trying to find the silver linings in things regarding this but Cheeto gets very little slack from me. If he's not responsible for 100% of this, he's responsible for at least 99.85%.
You ready for this?
There are American companies that can't even compete with China and other foreign companies to sell their masks. He believes ramping up now would be a suicide mission. On NPR last week an American company CEO (I couldn't catch the name of the company) basically explained that when H1NI hit in the Obama years, they ramped up production, added 150 employees, moved into a new , bigger building to meet demand for PPE, especially masks. And they did. Once the crisis was over, hospitals stopped ordering from them and ordered cheaper stuff from overseas. He said they almost lost the business, had to let go over 150 employees to stay solvent. He says he is still traumatized from the experience. He shares when asked, that he currently had NO government contracts or major requests to fill orders. Just hospitals. They prefer cheaper supply from overseas.
 

Keen

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Why is it so much cheaper to order overseas?
Cost of living is cheaper. You can buy materials and labor for less. If things or wages start to get expensive in China, they literal manipulate their currency so it remain cheaper to buy from them.


We as Americans will need to make a conscious decision to buy local, which cost more, or continue to be at the mercy of China.
 

MomofThreeBoys

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Cost of living is cheaper. You can buy materials and labor for less. If things or wages start to get expensive in China, they literal manipulate their currency so it remain cheaper to buy from them.


We as Americans will need to make a conscious decision to buy local, which cost more, or continue to be at the mercy of China.
Yes, they can pay people way less then over here which drives pricing.
 

ThirdEyeBeauty

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China is nearly working on slave labor. No one in America in their right mind would accept those conditions. American made products can be quite expensive but the quality, materials and/or duration of materials are often better.

I ordered a cheap camera from China just to be...well cheap. Lasted about 3 months. Had to buy a mich higher one that is going okay but if I purchased an American made one I would be shocked at the price.

It might also be time for me/us to make an assessment on purchasing cheap goods if the workers are working almost like slaves.
 

Nay

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I saw this on Facebook. I thought it was good advice:

"AN EXPERIENCED RESPIRATORY THERAPIST ADVISES ON THE FOLLOWING, PLS READ, EDUCATE YOURSELF, MAY HELP TO SAVE YOUR LIFE, OR THE LIFE OF A LOVED ONE! KNOWLEDGE IS GOLD!!

Since they are calling on Respiratory Therapist to help fight the Coronavirus, and I am a retired one, too old to work in a hospital setting, I'm going to share some common sense wisdom with those that have the virus and are trying to stay home. If my advice is followed as given, you will improve your chances of not ending up in the hospital on a ventilator. This applies to the otherwise generally healthy population, so use discretion.

1. Only high temperatures kill a virus, so let your fever run high. Tylenol will bring your fever down allowing the virus to live longer. They are saying that Ibuprofen, Advil, Aleve, Motrin, etc. will actually exacerbate the virus. Use common sense and don't let a fever go over 103 or 104, if you got the guts. If it gets higher than that, take your Tylenol, not Ibuprofen or Advil ( or any type of anti-inflammatory drugs ) to keep it regulated. It helps to keep your house warm and cover up with blankets so your body does not have to work so hard to generate the heat. It usually takes about 3 days of this to break the fever.

2. The body is going to dehydrate with the elevated temperature, so you must rehydrate yourself regulaly, whether you like it or not. Gatorade with real sugar, or pedialyte with real sugar for kids works well. Why the sugar? Sugar will give your body back the energy it is using up to create the fever. The electrolytes and fluid you are losing will also be replenished by the Gatorade. If you don't do this and end up in the hospital they will start an IV and give you D5W ( sugar water ) and normal saline to replenish electrolytes. Gatorade is much cheaper, pain free, and comes in an assortment of flavors.

3. You must keep your lungs moist. This is best done by taking long steamy showers on a regular basis. If you're wheezing or congested, use a real minty toothpaste and brush your teeth while taking the steamy shower and deep breaths through your mouth. This will provide some bronchial dialation and help loosen the phlegm. Force yourself to cough into a wet wash cloth pressed firmly over your mouth and nose, which will cause greater pressure in your lungs forcing them to expand more and break loose more of the congestion.

4. Eat healthy and regularly. You've got to keep your strength up.

5. Once the fever breaks, start moving around to get the body back in shape and blood circulating.

6. Deep breathe on a regular basis, even when it hurts. If you don't, it becomes easy to develope pneumonia. Pursed lip breathing really helps. That's breathing in deep and slow, then exhaling through tight lips as if you're blowing out a candle. Blow until you have completely emptied your lungs and you will be able to breathe in an even deeper breath. This helps keep lungs expanded as well as increase your oxygen level.

7. Remember that every medication you take is merely relieving the symptoms, not making you well.

8. If you're still not improving, then go to the ER.

I've been doing these things for myself and my family for over 40 years and it has kept us out of the hospital. All are healthy and still living today.

Thank you for sharing this information. We have got to help one another right now."
 

Everything Zen

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^^^ I think we should reassess our relationship with China (to the extent that is incrementally feasible) due to the quality of goods coming from the country and the fact that the conditions help breed these type of animal to human pathogen crossovers.

The Asian continent has a few other pathogens brewing including another avian influenza under wraps over there right now that if it gets loose has a 30% mortality rate: H7N9
 

Rastafarai

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Canadians who lost their jobs due to the virus are getting $4,000 this week. $2,000 retroactive from March 15 to April 15, and another $2,000 for April 15 to May 15. That's $2k each month until things return to normal. That's for employees.

Businesses get up to 100 percent of their payroll covered so things are in place when life returns to normal. Banks are offering loans to small businesses, interest free until the end of 2021 and 25 percent of the loan forgiven if repaid by then.

Thats Democratic socialism for you. Meanwhile, in the land of milk on honey known as the US of A....

:bricks:
 

Rastafarai

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I think he should just let people he came in contact with know that he had an exposure but is not showing any symptoms yet so they can also monitor themselves.

Don't know what kind of client but if it's a situation where it can be reported to a higher up then he should also do that.

If hes already gone home since the exposure I'd isolate away from the family if he is able in his house until he decides what to do about the hotel Do a thorough clean of the house. Wash all clothes/shoes he was wearing or if he hasn't gone home do not take the shoes inside and immediately wash the clothes and shower when returning home.

Monitor for symptoms but try not to overly stress. that lowers the immune response.

Keep hands clean and try not to touch face/eyes.


I'm not sure about the hotel only because it would be hard to know at this time how thoroughly it has been cleaned or who has accessed it. I hear a lot of them are using the hotels to house healthcare workers isolating from their homes so he might be even more exposed than if he just stayed home.

Tough call. I would report the client that's just wrong to wait to tell someone they are infected.

Symptoms being reported
loss of smell/ taste
fatigue
body aches
fever
trouble breathing
chills
night sweats
I've seen some say abdominal pain/ diarrhea
dry cough/ severe cough

Also let him know if he starts having breathing trouble not to wait to seek help. I've read where a lot of people try to wait it out and by the time they decide to go it's to late.

Praying he doesn't get sick.

I cannot thank you enough for your advice and assistance! I have relayed everything to the brother in law, who remains quarantined. No symptoms yet. Thanks again, sis!
 

Rastafarai

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I recently learned that Baking soda helps to alkalize and strengthen the immune system. It worked for a family that went through the pandemic period in 1918. You add a quarter to half a teaspoon of baking soda to a cup of water and drink on an empty stomach before breakfast or first meal of the day. My family and I have been doing this along with drinking lemon water throughout the day.

We are all strong and very healthy, even my 81 year old dad. Of course, I also anointed our home for reinforced protection to cover us both naturally and spiritually. I truly believe that faith without works is dead so I do both since they work well together. I go out to the market only when absolutely necessary and fully sanitize/cleanse myself and products I purchase as instructed by the authorities. We even spray bleach on the bottoms of our shoes and leave them outside overnight.

Thanks @Aggie. My family and I are also drinking lemon water but will also add baking soda to our routine. Will also take the additional measures you're taking to try and safeguard your household. Thanks again :)
 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
@Nay,

AHA!!!!

"2. The body is going to dehydrate with the elevated temperature, so you must rehydrate yourself regulaly, whether you like it or not. Gatorade with real sugar, or pedialyte with real sugar for kids works well. Why the sugar? Sugar will give your body back the energy it is using up to create the fever. The electrolytes and fluid you are losing will also be replenished by the Gatorade. If you don't do this and end up in the hospital they will start an IV and give you D5W ( sugar water ) and normal saline to replenish electrolytes. Gatorade is much cheaper, pain free, and comes in an assortment of flavors."

A 'prepper' said don't use artificial sugar. He was adamant about it.

Now I get it!!!

Artificial sugar doesn't have any glucose. If you get sick, you need that quick fuel supply of glucose provided by real sugar.

Thus, when feverish and dehydrated, use fluids with white sugar.

This so important!
 

Ganjababy

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I am so glad I came to live in Canada instead of moving back to the US as originally planned. Best decision ever. DH was so against it but agreed to give it 2 years and was fully on board after 6 months.
Canadians who lost their jobs due to the virus are getting $4,000 this week. $2,000 retroactive from March 15 to April 15, and another $2,000 for April 15 to May 15. That's $2k each month until things return to normal. That's for employees.

Businesses get up to 100 percent of their payroll covered so things are in place when life returns to normal. Banks are offering loans to small businesses, interest free until the end of 2021 and 25 percent of the loan forgiven if repaid by then.

Thats Democratic socialism for you. Meanwhile, in the land of milk on honey known as the US of A....

:bricks:
 
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Ganjababy

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The Ontario gov just bought 200k defective masks from them.
^^^ I think we should reassess our relationship with China (to the extent that is incrementally feasible) due to the quality of goods coming from the country and the fact that the conditions help breed these type of animal to human pathogen crossovers.

The Asian continent has a few other pathogens brewing including another avian influenza under wraps over there right now that if it gets loose has a 30% mortality rate: H7N9
 
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