The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

dicapr

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@dicapr is this the article you’re referring to?

By
Joel Achenbach,
Carolyn Y. Johnson and
Paige Winfield Cunningham
April 14, 2020 at 4:55 p.m. EDT

It’s one of the biggest unknowns about the novel coronavirus, one that determines what comes next for hundreds of thousands of Americans who have endured covid-19 and now appear to be fully recovered. Are they immune? Can they resume normal life and shrug off the fears and anxieties that are inescapable side effects of this pathogen?

One idea getting discussed at the highest levels of government is that such people should be granted a certificate of immunity — or some kind of special clearance that says this person is no longer infectious or vulnerable to the disease.

But the proposal is mired in the slippery science of this new virus. No one knows whether a recovered covid-19 patient is actually immune to a new infection — or if they are immune, how complete or long-lasting that might be.

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Some kind of immunity post-infection is the most plausible scenario for covid-19 patients. That’s the pattern with most infectious diseases. The body’s remarkably adaptive immune system typically clears out a virus and then maintains sentinel disease-fighting antibodies that are ready to repel a subsequent attack.

Yet there are preliminary reports out of South Korea and China, not yet peer-reviewed but gaining broad attention, that have surprised and baffled scientists. Some survivors test positive after they’ve been officially cured. They also have widely varying amounts of antibodies — abundant in some survivors, undetectable in others.

Serology testing, being rolled out across the United States, looks at blood serum for signs of antibodies to the virus. Authorities have hailed the arrival of these tests as crucial to the goal of restarting the crippled economy. They could also help answer key questions about the coronavirus, such as how many people became infected without symptoms and how widespread it is in the community.

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Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN that, once testing is more widespread, it’s possible people might eventually carry some form of identification showing they’re immune to the virus.

“It’s one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure that we know who the vulnerable people are,” Fauci said.

But it’s not obvious that such tests would clarify the issue of immunity, and other key questions remain, including: Who would issue the certificates of immunity? How would people get them? What exactly would these people be allowed to do?

“It looks like the train is getting ready to leave the station and nobody has checked to see what the track ahead is like,” said Henry Greely, director of the Stanford Center for Law and the Biosciences.

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In the race to respond to the pandemic, the antibody tests are hitting the market without the usual level of due diligence.

“I am concerned that some of the antibody tests that are in the market, that haven’t gone through the FDA scientific review, may not be as accurate as we’d like them to be,” Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn said this past weekend on “Meet the Press.”

What this means, in practice, is that a positive result for coronavirus antibodies might not be a rock-solid case for being immune. Simply being positive might not be enough; people might need a certain threshold of antibodies to be protected. Again, no one knows what that level might be.

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What should, in theory, create at least some level of immunity is surviving a serious bout with the disease. A study in the wake of SARS, the similar coronavirus that triggered an epidemic in 2003, showed that survivors maintained neutralizing antibodies for two years on average, with the number of antibodies declining thereafter. Other coronaviruses in circulation in the human species also lead to at least partial immunity for some period of time.

The immunity question has implications for whether covid-19 follows an annual cycle like seasonal influenza, or returns every two years, or goes dormant for, say, five years and then erupts again, according to a research paper published Tuesday in the journal Science. The authors noted that two other coronaviruses in circulation, which cause common colds, result in about 45 weeks of immunity on average. If the new virus follows that pattern, it would probably create annual outbreaks, they found.

In one small study 30 years ago, 15 people volunteered to have coronavirus 229E, which causes common cold symptoms, squirted up their noses. Ten became infected, and eight developed cold symptoms. A year later, all but one of them returned to be reinfected again. The majority were reinfected, but those who had been ill before did not develop cold symptoms. Moreover, the period during which the patients shed the virus, and were potentially contagious, was shorter.

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The new virus, SARS-CoV-2, is genetically similar to the first SARS virus — hence the “2” — but it affects people differently. It is not as lethal but is more easily spread. Many people who are infected do not develop symptoms at all and yet can potentially transmit the virus to others.

A report from China that has not yet been peer-reviewed found a wide range of antibodies among people with mild cases of the virus. Most strikingly, younger people had fewer antibodies in the wake of the disease — and 30 percent of those sampled had low levels. Some individuals had no trace of antibodies. That has raised the question of whether a person with a mild infection, one confirmed by the sensitive PCR test, might still be susceptible to a second infection.

A report out of South Korea has raised that issue more directly. Health officials said 91 patients who had recovered from the virus, a diagnosis confirmed by a negative test result, had subsequently tested positive.

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They might not have been reinfected, however. The tests are extremely sensitive and could have detected lingering traces of genetic material from nonviable virus. Because the virus does damage to the lungs, one possibility is that the debris getting cleared out could leave fragments of viral genetic material circulating in the body, Vineet Menachery, a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, pointed out on Twitter.

Korean officials are taking samples from the patients who tested positive to try to grow the virus in a dish, which will be the true test of whether the people were still shedding live virus. They expect results in two weeks.

Someday, the United States and much of the world may have herd immunity to covid-19. That day is very far away, probably arriving only when a safe vaccine is widely deployed. Herd immunity occurs when a large proportion of a population — typically 70 to 80 percent — is not vulnerable to infection.

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The influential pandemic modeldeveloped by the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation assumes that by June, the percentage of Americans infected by the novel coronavirus will be in the single digits. In New York City, home to the nation’s most severe covid-19 outbreak, about 1 percent of the population has tested positive.

Min Joo Kim in Seoul contributed to this report.

Yes it is. Plus being a CLS (clinical lab scientist /medical technologist) I know that titers determines immunity not the presence of antibodies. You can have antibodies present and still not have enough to prevent reinfection. That is why some vaccines like chicken pox need boosters or have titers drawn to make sure you are still immune. It doesn’t mean you don’t have any circulating antibodies it just means their levels are too low to prevent reinfection.
 

Kanky

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I don’t feel like my husband is taking this seriously and I’m vacillating between anger and sadness.

I stayed with my parents for about a month with my son. We came back because.....like, I’m married? This is my home ?

DH got a haircut last week....I cannot believe how selfish a person can be as to go to someone’s house to get a haircut after their shop has been closed because we live in a hotspot for a deadly pandemic.....and this person has a whole family. So I can’t go back to stay with my parents. I can’t even see them. And this fool....what’s worse is that it’s like he doesn’t even care how contagious it is. He went to the store the other day after I asked him not to-no mask, nothing and one of the things he got was a tub of whipped cream. I eat whipped cream. Ok. So I just do happen to SEE him take a lick off the spoon while he was getting some and then put the spoon back in the tub to get some more. He’s very keen on fixing fruit for my son and getting right close in his face, which sometimes he’s aloof with my son so I feel like he is trolling me. How as a man with a family do you decide to expose yourself to something so contagious and then fail to at least back up!

I feel like he doesn’t care and thinks this is a game. And because of the nature of what we are dealing with, I have nowhere to go for respite :drunk: he still goes to work everyday so I decided today we need to sleep in different rooms and use different bathrooms, different kitchen sinks everything. But we’ve been in the same room and he’s been all in my sons face for a week, so again, it’s too late for me to be like “oh you’re trippin! I’m out!”

This thing that’s going on in the world right nowwwwww- I rebuke this!

You wouldn’t have been able to see your parents while living with someone who couldn’t social distance anyway. Kids are usually fine if they catch this, so don’t worry.

Order the stuff for a container garden and ask him to help with heavy lifting.

A lot of people react with denial to new and stressful situations. You see how the government eased us in to this lockdown by saying it was just for two weeks. He will eventually have to face reality. Don’t be too hard on him in the meantime.
 

Everything Zen

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I am really pissed off about this! Who you marry matters. Like, obviously. But I am PISSED OFF.

My parents came by to drop us some food and they left it outside the door but i thought I’d open the shades so my son could see them through the window like the posts I’ve seen on SM. He cried and cried. So, that was a fail. Now that I understand more about this, I guessssss it wouldn’t be a good idea for me to go to their house to visit even if my husband would just stay home but it’s an impossibility now and meanwhile I feel like I’m trapped.

I see people with gardens (my parents, for one, have a backyard full of food growing) and this fool is spending his time looking at a tv to buy tonight for his room since we are separate. You know what we have in this house? Four huge ratchet TVs. You know what it was hard for me to find last night when I, as a mother of a an always eating son to find? A large selection of food. YET I’m the only adult up in here worried about it!

This man leaves to go to essential work and comes back in running clothes from running, not in our neighborhood where there’s space, but from running in crowded downtown! It’s a whole *** pandemic and he is just going about his day talking about he needs to call employees back in to work Bc then working from home is “unsustainable.” Who is this white arsed black man here!

I’m pissed off.

Girl do we have the same man? :look:

Several women on the board have expressed frustration that the men in their lives are not taking this seriously. I kicked mine out over the road to go drive a truck since all his business in sales dried up but he came back 2.5 days later due to an emergency that we’re dealing with. So he can’t go over the road now. I put him in the second bedroom and he claims I’m the only woman in the world doing this type of extreme isolation and I’m paranoid, etc. and I’m only doing it because we’re fighting right now (and not the other way around- if he took it seriously I wouldn’t be upset). So I woke up this morning feeling a little funky with a throat that felt slightly off and some slight sinus pressure and he’s back there sniffling and snotting so I completely feel you. I’ve been downing Emergencee, garlic and hot lemon water and I feel fine now.
 

InchHighPrivateEye

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@InchHighPrivateEye

Does your husband know anyone who’s ill or passed? He seems cavalier about the whole thing.

Getting another tv and going running may be coping strategies where he stays distracted.
He doesn’t. A lady that is a friend of the family I grew up in, and was in my parents’ wedding was buried yesterday from this, and I know at least two people who have lost people. My husband doesn’t know anyone. Honestly....these could be coping strategies but he’s pretty vain :drunk: when I had our son he continued to exercise everyday, really hard, like it would kill him to not have muscles showing (it wasn’t fitness because he will eat an entire cake and then just work out hard hard hard to LOOK fit). That really bothered me then because his routine didn’t change at all. I was struggling with a newborn and he was unaffected, and that’s what it seems like now but this is life or death and one person’s carelessness could impact us all. and TVs...he just be loves having the latest model tv :drunk: this is normal for him but this situation is so extreme that I just can’t believe anyone is still operating in a normal to this extent. To let somebody get that close to your face and then come home and think you bout to cart your son around and ****. I can’t! Early reports are showing that this thing could cause PERMANENT damage to your lungs...and my husband knows all the facts because he does read everything. He’s very informed about the news. It’s just not ringing a bell. Over 100 people died in our state of COVID 19 during the 24 hour period from Monday to Tuesday. So how are bells not ringing.

Thanks for the support and sorry to derail, y’all. I just....we are like day four into not seeing my parents and they are sad and missing the boy and he is missing them and it’s not even 10 am yet and they have already asked if I need them to watch him today so I can work and while i would love that and while I hope that my husband hasn’t picked up anything, I know in my heart that we can’t be anywhere near my parents today or tomorrow because we love them. And he doesn’t Care :drunk: they were actually my support system when the boy was a newborn so the three of them are all verrrry close. I would be hollering out to DH before I could bend down or anything yet and he’d be on another level of our house with earphones in and couldn’t hear me, and my dad would show up with a week worth of meals or my momma would come and do everrrryhting and sing to DS Until she lost her voice. I love them regardless of that, but honestly I have no support system now. DH would act like he wants to be it but 1) I know he could work from home if he wanted but there’s too much work here so he won’t and 2) now he’s going to act like he wants to do things with DS but “oh I went to the store and there were so many ppl and I know how you feel about safety for him...” And what I don’t know, is how long this will last. So....same boat as everyone else I guess. Thanks for listening.
 

InchHighPrivateEye

Well-Known Member
You wouldn’t have been able to see your parents while living with someone who couldn’t social distance anyway. Kids are usually fine if they catch this, so don’t worry.

Order the stuff for a container garden and ask him to help with heavy lifting.

A lot of people react with denial to new and stressful situations. You see how the government eased us in to this lockdown by saying it was just for two weeks. He will eventually have to face reality. Don’t be too hard on him in the meantime.
@Kanky, this is very helpful and rational and calming me down. Thank you.
 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
Our girl, live and in person [on television] Lead Researcher Ms. Kizzmekia Corbett (NIHS Lead Scientist on Corona Virus Vaccine Research)

Degrees: Earned
Melanin: Poppin'
Skin: Glistenin'
Glitter: Flyin' (Black Girl Magic)
Hair: Laid

We gone' excuse Lil' Anderson for calling her 'Ms.' when he know' she a doctor. And should be referred to as such. "Dr. Corbett', is her title!


Dr. Corbett said, "Under my direction, the team has researched the coronavirus for five (5) years. [...] A lot of the work of what we have done previously has driven us to what you would call 'a rapid' response."


She is establishing that formal narrative. I may have reservations about a vaccine, but I have no problem giving credit to a Sister who developed it!


Video entitled, "Lead coronavirus vaccine scientist: Here's when we could expect a vaccine"
on CNN channel
 
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TrulyBlessed

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Our girl, live and in person [on television] Lead Researcher Ms. Kizzmekia Corbett (NIHS Lead Scientist on Corona Virus Vaccine Research)

Degrees: Earned
Melanin: Poppin'
Skin: Glistenin'
Glitter: Flyin' (Black Girl Magic)
Hair: Laid

We gone' excuse Lil' Anderson for calling her 'Ms.' when he know' she a doctor. And should be referred to as such. "Dr. Corbett', is her title!


Dr. Corbett said, "Under my direction, the team has researched the coronavirus for five (5) years. [...] A lot of the work of what we have done previously has driven us to what you would call 'a rapid' response."

She is establishing that formal narrative. I may have reservations about a vaccine, but I have no problem giving credit to a Sister who developed it!


Video entitled, "Lead coronavirus vaccine scientist: Here's when we could expect a vaccine"
on CNN channel

He even had a hard time referring to her as Dr. in his tweet. People called him out in the comments. I like Anderson but I’m side eyeing him right now.



 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
Uncomfortable, but reality and some may find this information helpful:


Funerals in the Age of Coronavirus


Handling the Coronavirus Dead
 

Black Ambrosia

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For anyone interested, there's live video of protestors in Michigan. They're circling the capitol in cars to protest of the governor's stay at home order. There are a ton of people on foot as well. 98% aren't wearing masks. It looks like what you're thinking. Maga out in force.

You can't tell how large it is by the video but a reporter earlier said there appeared to be hundreds of cars.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...igan-protest-wednesday-live-video/5137207002/
 

nycutiepie

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For anyone interested, there's live video of protestors in Michigan. They're circling the capitol in cars to protest of the governor's stay at home order. There are a ton of people on foot as well. 98% aren't wearing masks. It looks like what you're thinking. Maga out in force.

You can't tell how large it is by the video but a reporter earlier said there appeared to be hundreds of cars.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...igan-protest-wednesday-live-video/5137207002/
God forgive me but I hope Rona get all of em MAGA mofos
 

Peppermynt

Defying Gravity
For anyone interested, there's live video of protestors in Michigan. They're circling the capitol in cars to protest of the governor's stay at home order. There are a ton of people on foot as well. 98% aren't wearing masks. It looks like what you're thinking. Maga out in force.

You can't tell how large it is by the video but a reporter earlier said there appeared to be hundreds of cars.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...igan-protest-wednesday-live-video/5137207002/

Aw, looka dem magats. :spinning: They should march and protest together in close quarters all day. :drunk:
Who needs a mask! :look: 'Murica! :abducted:
 

dicapr

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Our girl, live and in person [on television] Lead Researcher Ms. Kizzmekia Corbett (NIHS Lead Scientist on Corona Virus Vaccine Research)

Degrees: Earned
Melanin: Poppin'
Skin: Glistenin'
Glitter: Flyin' (Black Girl Magic)
Hair: Laid

We gone' excuse Lil' Anderson for calling her 'Ms.' when he know' she a doctor. And should be referred to as such. "Dr. Corbett', is her title!


Dr. Corbett said, "Under my direction, the team has researched the coronavirus for five (5) years. [...] A lot of the work of what we have done previously has driven us to what you would call 'a rapid' response."


She is establishing that formal narrative. I may have reservations about a vaccine, but I have no problem giving credit to a Sister who developed it!


Video entitled, "Lead coronavirus vaccine scientist: Here's when we could expect a vaccine"
on CNN channel

I really hope they don’t make healthcare workers take this vaccine. I don’t want to be their test population at all! Mass inoculation of the worlds population with a vaccine that had unforeseen side effects is literally the plot to the movie I am Legend.


All they can figure out in 4 months is immediate side effects. If anything shows up 6 months or a year later will be too late. Billions of people will have already taken the vaccine.
 
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qchelle

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He doesn’t. A lady that is a friend of the family I grew up in, and was in my parents’ wedding was buried yesterday from this, and I know at least two people who have lost people. My husband doesn’t know anyone. Honestly....these could be coping strategies but he’s pretty vain :drunk: when I had our son he continued to exercise everyday, really hard, like it would kill him to not have muscles showing (it wasn’t fitness because he will eat an entire cake and then just work out hard hard hard to LOOK fit). That really bothered me then because his routine didn’t change at all. I was struggling with a newborn and he was unaffected, and that’s what it seems like now but this is life or death and one person’s carelessness could impact us all. and TVs...he just be loves having the latest model tv :drunk: this is normal for him but this situation is so extreme that I just can’t believe anyone is still operating in a normal to this extent. To let somebody get that close to your face and then come home and think you bout to cart your son around and ****. I can’t! Early reports are showing that this thing could cause PERMANENT damage to your lungs...and my husband knows all the facts because he does read everything. He’s very informed about the news. It’s just not ringing a bell. Over 100 people died in our state of COVID 19 during the 24 hour period from Monday to Tuesday. So how are bells not ringing.

Thanks for the support and sorry to derail, y’all. I just....we are like day four into not seeing my parents and they are sad and missing the boy and he is missing them and it’s not even 10 am yet and they have already asked if I need them to watch him today so I can work and while i would love that and while I hope that my husband hasn’t picked up anything, I know in my heart that we can’t be anywhere near my parents today or tomorrow because we love them. And he doesn’t Care :drunk: they were actually my support system when the boy was a newborn so the three of them are all verrrry close. I would be hollering out to DH before I could bend down or anything yet and he’d be on another level of our house with earphones in and couldn’t hear me, and my dad would show up with a week worth of meals or my momma would come and do everrrryhting and sing to DS Until she lost her voice. I love them regardless of that, but honestly I have no support system now. DH would act like he wants to be it but 1) I know he could work from home if he wanted but there’s too much work here so he won’t and 2) now he’s going to act like he wants to do things with DS but “oh I went to the store and there were so many ppl and I know how you feel about safety for him...” And what I don’t know, is how long this will last. So....same boat as everyone else I guess. Thanks for listening.

Girrrrl :nono: I am so sorry. I would be furious.
 

Ms. Tarabotti

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He doesn’t. A lady that is a friend of the family I grew up in, and was in my parents’ wedding was buried yesterday from this, and I know at least two people who have lost people. My husband doesn’t know anyone. Honestly....these could be coping strategies but he’s pretty vain :drunk: when I had our son he continued to exercise everyday, really hard, like it would kill him to not have muscles showing (it wasn’t fitness because he will eat an entire cake and then just work out hard hard hard to LOOK fit). That really bothered me then because his routine didn’t change at all. I was struggling with a newborn and he was unaffected, and that’s what it seems like now but this is life or death and one person’s carelessness could impact us all. and TVs...he just be loves having the latest model tv :drunk: this is normal for him but this situation is so extreme that I just can’t believe anyone is still operating in a normal to this extent. To let somebody get that close to your face and then come home and think you bout to cart your son around and ****. I can’t! Early reports are showing that this thing could cause PERMANENT damage to your lungs...and my husband knows all the facts because he does read everything. He’s very informed about the news. It’s just not ringing a bell. Over 100 people died in our state of COVID 19 during the 24 hour period from Monday to Tuesday. So how are bells not ringing.

Thanks for the support and sorry to derail, y’all. I just....we are like day four into not seeing my parents and they are sad and missing the boy and he is missing them and it’s not even 10 am yet and they have already asked if I need them to watch him today so I can work and while i would love that and while I hope that my husband hasn’t picked up anything, I know in my heart that we can’t be anywhere near my parents today or tomorrow because we love them. And he doesn’t Care :drunk: they were actually my support system when the boy was a newborn so the three of them are all verrrry close. I would be hollering out to DH before I could bend down or anything yet and he’d be on another level of our house with earphones in and couldn’t hear me, and my dad would show up with a week worth of meals or my momma would come and do everrrryhting and sing to DS Until she lost her voice. I love them regardless of that, but honestly I have no support system now. DH would act like he wants to be it but 1) I know he could work from home if he wanted but there’s too much work here so he won’t and 2) now he’s going to act like he wants to do things with DS but “oh I went to the store and there were so many ppl and I know how you feel about safety for him...” And what I don’t know, is how long this will last. So....same boat as everyone else I guess. Thanks for listening.


I know that people cope with stress in different ways but I don't understand this type of behavior. You are not hiding under the bed shrieking that the sky is falling and we are all going to die. You are asking for reasonable accommodations to protect you and your child. Taking precautions with your clothes if you still must go to work. Using protection if you need to be outside for an extended period. You may not be all that concerned about contracting the virus but out of love and concern for your partners well being, you should practice most of the suggestions made about trying to keep healthy. Viruses don't discriminate, if they can find a way in they will take it. What does one have to lose by erring on the side of caution?
 

sunshinebeautiful

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There was an article I read last week stating that 30% or so of those tested in Chicago already had antibodies for CV19. I honestly suspect many of us have already had the virus and recovered.

Earlier this year I was out of work for a week with what I thought was the flu. In retrospect, I wonder if it was CV19 because I haven't had the flu in I don't know how long and I never get the flu shot.
A doctor that tested positive said all she experienced was a sore throat and post-nasal drip for a few days. Most media stories portray the virus as a near to death sentence, but all cases are not that severe.

Interesting. Although it can unexpectedly become a death sentence for seemingly healthy people - you roll the dice with this disease and don't know which way it will go. It's the unpredictability of it that has people on edge.

But I also wonder if I had it. A few weeks ago (beginning around mid-March) I came down with a sore throat and a few days later, it felt like the pain was radiating from my throat into my jaw. I was having headaches, post-nasal drip, and I thought I felt warm to the touch but was unable to find a thermometer ANYWHERE so I had no way to check to see if I was running a fever. Days later, the dry cough started. It was very sporadic though - I wasn't coughing a lot and it wasn't painful to cough either. I felt mild body aches and there are stairs in my home and I noticed when I climbed them I was unusually winded.

I teach at a college so I come into contact with a lot of people throughout the course of a typical day. By this time though, we had moved to online classes. I felt well enough to hold my live class sessions, but I usually logged off and rested in the afternoon/evenings. So whatever this was never took me all the way down and I never became super sick. I wondered if this was COVID-19, but of course, my symptoms weren't severe enough to qualify for testing. I also don't know when I'd be able to get antibody testing, but I would love to know one way or another.

ETA: I live in South Florida. At the time we were watching COVID-19 confirmation numbers climb by the day - and we have the MOST cases in the state of Florida - so I also feel like the odds were in my factor that I did have it and this is what a really "mild" case is like.
 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
I really hope they don’t make healthcare workers take this vaccine. I don’t want to be their test population at all! Mass inoculation of the worlds population with a vaccine that had unforeseen side effects is literally the plot to the movie I am Legend.


All they can figure out in 4 months is immediate side effects. If anything shows up 6 months or a year later will be too late. Billions of people will have already taken the vaccine.

I believe antibody testing will be mandatory in places with lots of infections. I believe antigen testing will be necessary for small clusters of infection or outbreaks.

I do not believe getting the vaccine will be mandatory.

Testing: Mandatory.
Vaccine: Not Mandatory.

I could be wrong because things are already so surreal. Anything is possible, right?
 

meka72

Well-Known Member
For anyone interested, there's live video of protestors in Michigan. They're circling the capitol in cars to protest of the governor's stay at home order. There are a ton of people on foot as well. 98% aren't wearing masks. It looks like what you're thinking. Maga out in force.

You can't tell how large it is by the video but a reporter earlier said there appeared to be hundreds of cars.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...igan-protest-wednesday-live-video/5137207002/
They were protesting outside the Ohio statehouse during the daily press conference yesterday. Some had masks on. Some did not. One woman brought her kids. :drunk:
 

Black Ambrosia

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Two weeks from now, some news outlet will run a story about one of these people with the headline "I never thought it would happen to me."
Reminds me of this pastor who held church services despite everyone being aware of the danger. To be fair, his governor didn't ban gatherings of 10 or more until the day after but there was enough information to know it was ill advised.

 

dicapr

Well-Known Member
I believe antibody testing will be mandatory in places with lots of infections. I believe antigen testing will be necessary for small clusters of infection or outbreaks.

I do not believe getting the vaccine will be mandatory.

Testing: Mandatory.
Vaccine: Not Mandatory.

I could be wrong because things are already so surreal. Anything is possible, right?

Hospitals workers are required to get certain vaccines to work. So while the government may not require the vaccine individual hospitals may require it as terms of employment. So even if you object to getting the vaccine you can be coerced into getting it to maintain employment-and it’s perfectly legal.

So if the hospital feels you being vaccinated means you won’t get sick or be a risk to patients your objections or concerns mean nothing. You can walk or you can roll up your sleeve.
 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
Hospitals workers are required to get certain vaccines to work. So while the government may not require the vaccine individual hospitals may require it as terms of employment. So even if you object to getting the vaccine you can be coerced into getting it to maintain employment-and it’s perfectly legal.

So if the hospital feels you being vaccinated means you won’t get sick or be a risk to patients your objections or concerns mean nothing. You can walk or you can roll up your sleeve.

I see. A non-compulsory, but compulsory requirement to work! Vaccines are not required, but if you want to work here, 'we' require you get vaccinated. I see.
 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
Reminds me of this pastor who held church services despite everyone being aware of the danger. To be fair, his governor didn't ban gatherings of 10 or more until the day after but there was enough information to know it was ill advised.


That is awful. That's an ugly, vicious, "I told you so!" boomerang, come back around at you, kind of thing.
 
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