The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

Lute

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Two weeks from now, some news outlet will run a story about one of these people with the headline "I never thought it would happen to me."

Like Jesus said. "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." (Am I using that quote right right?)
 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
@vevster initially brought to our attention that we may want to focus on getting:

  1. Vitamin D
  2. Zinc
  3. Vitamin C

This man is convinced that the higher incidents of death among African Americans due to Covid-19 may have some correlation with our community vitamin D deficiency.

People with sufficient vitamin D levels cut their chances for catching virus (what's the plural of the word virus ????) from 60% to 32%. This is what he states in the video. He lists the sources of his sources in his description box under the video.

Statistics:
42% of the population in the US is vitamin D deficient
70% of African Americans in the US are vitamin D deficient

I'm not a doctor. Do your research!

Here's the video:

 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
Like Jesus said. "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." (Am I using that quote right right?)

I would say yes.

Because if they get sick, they can potentially infect other people and spread the disease. If they become incapacitated and need medical support, then they could create strain on the medical system and could possible endanger the lives of health care workers and hospital staff.

Another one, not out of the Hallowed Bible, states, "Love means never having to say you are sorry."

It also means think about others and consider staying at home.
 

Keen

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For anyone interested, there's live video of protestors in Michigan. They're circling the capitol in cars to protest of the governor's stay at home order. There are a ton of people on foot as well. 98% aren't wearing masks. It looks like what you're thinking. Maga out in force.

You can't tell how large it is by the video but a reporter earlier said there appeared to be hundreds of cars.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...igan-protest-wednesday-live-video/5137207002/

I saw videos of the same in Raleigh NC. They stayed 6 ft apart. If that happen in my city, I'd be sure to know which business is protesting so I don't patronize them. They don't care about the general public.
 

ThirdEyeBeauty

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Hospitals workers are required to get certain vaccines to work. So while the government may not require the vaccine individual hospitals may require it as terms of employment. So even if you object to getting the vaccine you can be coerced into getting it to maintain employment-and it’s perfectly legal.

So if the hospital feels you being vaccinated means you won’t get sick or be a risk to patients your objections or concerns mean nothing. You can walk or you can roll up your sleeve.
I hope everyone is strong enough to walk. A job is not worth the worries of potential effects of an experimental vaccine. I would change professions if I had too.
 

ThirdEyeBeauty

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Biosciences people and maybe statisticians help me out. The media has changed the narrative on a lot of norms based on this virus that actually do seems less virulent or contagious than the flu. Correct me if I am wrong. First, masks are meant for the sick person to reduce the spread of his or her germs. It is not necessarily for the healthy but one has every right to use one. I imagine in that particle video micro particles getting stuck on the mask for one to breathe in for as long as the person has it on. Second, the government wants all of us to stay away not to prevent illness but so we all don't get ill at the same time. Because the virus is new if we have not been distancing ourselves, we would all (most) be lined up outside the ER and there would definitely be no hospital beds. It would look like an apocalypse.

BUT, how much worse is it from say TB or something like that?
 

Jmartjrmd

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Hospitals workers are required to get certain vaccines to work. So while the government may not require the vaccine individual hospitals may require it as terms of employment. So even if you object to getting the vaccine you can be coerced into getting it to maintain employment-and it’s perfectly legal.

So if the hospital feels you being vaccinated means you won’t get sick or be a risk to patients your objections or concerns mean nothing. You can walk or you can roll up your sleeve.
Girl......no lie people at my job one year waited until an employee came around to give the flu vaccine and then paid her $20 for the paperwork but never got the shot lol...I'm certain she will be in high demand when they make this mandatoty.
 

ThirdEyeBeauty

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Girl......no lie people at my job one year waited until an employee came around to give the flu vaccine and then paid her $20 for the paperwork but never got the shot lol...I'm certain she will be in high demand when they make this mandatoty.
What! That exists? I always imagined getting someone for that just like passing emissions when you really can't. :look:
 

discodumpling

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For anyone interested, there's live video of protestors in Michigan. They're circling the capitol in cars to protest of the governor's stay at home order. There are a ton of people on foot as well. 98% aren't wearing masks. It looks like what you're thinking. Maga out in force.

You can't tell how large it is by the video but a reporter earlier said there appeared to be hundreds of cars.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...igan-protest-wednesday-live-video/5137207002/

'Rona in 4,3,2,1...*sigh* these idiots had their kids out there.
 

Jmartjrmd

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Biosciences people and maybe statisticians help me out. The media has changed the narrative on a lot of norms based on this virus that actually do seems less virulent or contagious than the flu. Correct me if I am wrong. First, masks are meant for the sick person to reduce the spread of his or her germs. It is not necessarily for the healthy but one has every right to use one. I imagine in that particle video micro particles getting stuck on the mask for one to breathe in for as long as the person has it on. Second, the government wants all of us to stay away not to prevent illness but so we all don't get ill at the same time. Because the virus is new if we have not been distancing ourselves, we would all (most) be lined up outside the ER and there would definitely be no hospital beds. It would look like an apocalypse.

BUT, how much worse is it from say TB or something like that?
I think some confusion comes with the type of masks. A regular surgical mask will not protect you from small particles versus the 95 because of its tight fit and filter. The surgical mask will give some protection but the tiny size of the virus can get in the gaps and therefore be inhaled.
Higher level respiratory masks are fitted specifically to a person's face. We get fit tested yearly to make sure it fits and fits tight to the face.

TB is caused by a bacteria and also has a vaccine. The treatment takes many months. But the huge differences in TB vs this is bacteria vs virus, been around vs new, can use antibiotics vs no treatment available yet and vaccine vs no vaccine.
 

fifi134

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@fifi134
Would your parents be willing to kick him out for the duration of this situation? I assume that he is an adult and not a minor so he should be able to fend for himself. If he doesn't believe that's on him but he is potentially endangering the health of two other people.

No, this is a classic case of black males being coddled from youth and the difficulty in cutting the cord when they're adults. He's emotionally manipulative too, so they won't do it. :sad:
 

EagleEyes85

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It’s not celebrity news, but it is COVID-19 related. Has anyone heard about the mistreatment of Africans and black people in general in China? They are blaming black people for the virus spreading and evicting them from their homes, hotels, and barring black people from restaurants. It’s deplorable. Not a lot of news is covering the mistreatment, no surprises there, but I thought it should be brought to light just in case no one knew what was happening.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52274326
 

vevster

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/avivah...avirus-reponses-have-in-common-women-leaders/

What Do Countries With The Best Coronavirus Responses Have In Common? Women Leaders

Looking for examples of true leadership in a crisis? From Iceland to Taiwan and from Germany to New Zealand, women are stepping up to show the world how to manage a messy patch for our human family. Add in Finland, Iceland and Denmark, and this pandemic is revealing that women have what it takes when the heat rises in our Houses of State. Many will say these are small countries, or islands, or other exceptions. But Germany is large and leading, and the UK is an island with very different outcomes. These leaders are gifting us an attractive alternative way of wielding power. What are they teaching us?

Truth
Angela Merkel, the Chancellor of Germany, stood up early and calmly told her countrymen that this was a serious bug that would infect up to 70% of the population. “It’s serious,” she said, “take it seriously.” She did, so they did too. Testing began right from the get-go. Germany jumped right over the phases of denial, anger and disingenuousness we’ve seen elsewhere. The country’s numbers are far below its European neighbors, and there are signs it may be able to start loosening restrictions relatively soon.

Decisiveness

Data from the European Centre for Disease Control as of April 12, 2020

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Among the first and the fastest responses was from Tsai Ing-wen in Taiwan. Back in January, at the first sign of a new illness, she introduced 124 measures to block the spread without having to resort to the lockdowns that have become common elsewhere. She is now sending 10 million face masks to the U.S. and Europe. Tsai managed what CNN has called “among the world’s best” responses, keeping the epidemic under control, still reporting only six deaths.

Jacinda Ardern in New Zealand was early to lockdown and crystal clear on the maximum level of alert she was putting the country under – and why. She imposed self-isolation on people entering New Zealand astonishingly early, when there were just 6 cases in the whole country, and banned foreigners entirely from entering soon after. Clarity and decisiveness are saving New Zealand from the storm. As of mid-April they have suffered only four deaths, and where other countries talk of lifting restrictions, Ardern is adding to them, making all returning New Zealanders quarantine in designated locations for 14 days.

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Iceland, under the leadership of Prime Minister Katrín Jakobsdóttir, is offering free coronavirus testing to all its citizens, and will become a key case study in the true spread and fatality rates of Covid-19. Most countries have limited testing to people with active symptoms. Iceland is going whole hog. In proportion to its population the country has already screened five times as many people as South Korea has, and instituted a thorough tracking system that means they haven’t had to lock down or shut schools.
 
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Jmartjrmd

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I'm surprised this hospital is behaving this way. I used to work here although not for very long. I met Justin Timbetlake here when he was touring the NICU and a very famous singer when she had here babies here.q

Nurses suspended for refusing to treat coronavirus patients without N95 masks
By Associated Pres



Nurses protest for N95 masks in order to care for patients at Providence Saint John's Health Center in Santa Monica, California.Lizabeth Baker Wade via AP
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Nurse Mike Gulick was meticulous about not bringing the novel coronavirus home to his wife and their 2-year-old daughter. He’d stop at a hotel after work just to take a shower. He’d wash his clothes in Lysol disinfectant. They did a tremendous amount of handwashing.

But at Providence Saint John’s Health Center in Santa Monica, California, Gulick and his colleagues worried that caring for infected patients without first being able to don an N95 respirator mask was risky. The N95 mask filters out 95 percent of all airborne particles, including ones too tiny to be blocked by regular masks. But administrators at his hospital said they weren’t necessary and didn’t provide them, he said.

His wife, also a nurse, not only wore an N95 mask, but covered it with a second air-purifying respirator while she cared for COVID-19 patients at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center across town in Los Angeles.
Then, last week, a nurse on Gulick’s ward tested positive for the coronavirus, which causes the disease COVID-19. The next day doctors doing rounds on their ward asked the nurses why they weren’t wearing N95 masks, Gulick said, and told them they should have better protection.

For Gulick, that was it. He and a handful of nurses told their managers they wouldn’t enter COVID-19 patient rooms without N95 masks. The hospital suspended them, according to the National Nurses Union, which represents them. Ten nurses are now being paid but not allowed to return to work pending an investigation from human resources, the union said.


They are among hundreds of doctors, nurses and other health care workers across the country who say they’ve been asked to work without adequate protection. Some have taken part in protests or lodged formal complaints. Others are buying — or even making — their own supplies.

Guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention don’t require N95 masks for COVID-19 caregivers, but many hospitals are opting for the added protection because the infection has proven to be extremely contagious. The CDC said Wednesday at least 9,200 health care workers have been infected.

Saint John’s said in a statement that as of Tuesday it’s providing N95 masks to all nurses caring for COVID-19 patients and those awaiting test results. The statement said the hospital had increased its supply and was disinfecting masks daily.

“It’s no secret there is a national shortage,” said the statement. The hospital would not comment on the suspended nurses.

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N95 masks have become scarce in midst of the coronavirus pandemic.Reuters
As COVID-19 cases soared in March, the U.S. was hit with a critical shortage of medical supplies including N95s, which are mostly made in China. In response, the CDC lowered its standard for health care workers’ protective gear, recommending they use bandannas if they run out of the masks.


Some exasperated health care workers have complained to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

“I … fear retribution for being a whistleblower and plead to please keep me anonymous,” wrote a Tennessee medical worker, who complained staffers were not allowed to wear their own masks if they weren’t directly treating COVID-19 patients.

In Oregon, a March 26 complaint warned that masks were not being provided to nurses working with suspected COVID-19 patients. Another Oregon complaint alleged nurses “are told that wearing a mask will result in disciplinary action.”

One New Jersey nurse who asked not to be named out of fear of retribution, said she was looking for a new job after complaining to OSHA.

“Do I regret filing the complaint? No, at least not yet,” she said. “I know it was the right thing to do.”

Some are taking to the streets.

On Wednesday, nurse unions in New York, Massachusetts, Michigan, Illinois, California, and Pennsylvania scheduled actions at their hospitals and posted on social media using hashtag “PPEoverProfit.”

Nurses at Kaiser Permanente’s Fresno Medical Center in central California demanded more protective supplies at a protest during their shift change Tuesday. The hospital, like many in the U.S., requires nurses to use one N95 mask per day, which has raised concerns about bringing the infection from one patient to the next.

Ten nurses from the facility have tested positive with COVID-19, Kaiser said. Three have been admitted to the hospital and one is in critical care, protest organizers said.

Wade Nogy, a Kaiser senior vice president, denied union claims that nurses have been unnecessarily exposed.

“Kaiser Permanente has years of experience managing highly infectious diseases, and we are safely treating patients who have been infected with this virus, while protecting other patients, members and employees,” Nogy said.

Amy Arlund, a critical care nurse at the facility, said that before the pandemic, following infection control protocols they’re currently using would have been grounds for disciplinary action.

“And now it’s like they’ve thrown all those standards out the window as if they never existed.
 

OhTall1

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Is anyone else hearing stories about organ failure? My SO has a friend (male, late 50s, AA, previously no known health problems) who is positive. As of Sunday he was in critical condition, and yesterday he was told that his friend's organs are starting to shut down. The wife isn't providing a lot of information so those are the only details he has.
 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
Is anyone else hearing stories about organ failure? My SO has a friend (male, late 50s, AA, previously no known health problems) who is positive. As of Sunday he was in critical condition, and yesterday he was told that his friend's organs are starting to shut down. The wife isn't providing a lot of information so those are the only details he has.

Yes, unfortunately. This may happen when the body experiences a "cytokine storm". There are lots of videos on YouTube. Put in cytokine storm + covid 19 + organ failure. The videos may be too hard to watch for you SO, right now. They're hard to watch, period.
 

meka72

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Is anyone else hearing stories about organ failure? My SO has a friend (male, late 50s, AA, previously no known health problems) who is positive. As of Sunday he was in critical condition, and yesterday he was told that his friend's organs are starting to shut down. The wife isn't providing a lot of information so those are the only details he has.
Yes, I think this happened to my friend’s uncle who died from C19 this morning. At first his organs (except the lungs) were strong. Then they started to fail and he went into cardiac arrest twice and coded twice.
 

ThirdEyeBeauty

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I always thought it was strange that positive but very mild cases were told to go home. Because it is a novel virus and I am already positive, I would have wanted to be monitored at the hospital. I guess that was the way to flatten the curve. The price though was letting people die who probably could have been saved.
 

Ganjababy

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I don’t think the hospitals would be able to cope if they admitted mild cases for monitoring
I always thought it was strange that positive but very mild cases were told to go home. Because it is a novel virus and I am already positive, I would have wanted to be monitored at the hospital. I guess that was the way to flatten the curve. The price though was letting people die who probably could have been saved.
 

Chicoro

5 Year Shea Anniversary: Started Dec 16th, 2016!
@Chicoro you are all over it! Bravo!

What is viral shedding?


"Viral shedding refers to the expulsion and release of virus progeny following successful reproduction during a host-cell infection."

Easy definition: virus duplicated in the host cell
 

Ms. Tarabotti

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I'm just so upset.

Yesterday, I found out that a friend of my sisters' -a long time community activist who was involved with renter's rights, was a election poll worker and was planning to be census volunteer, died of Covid last week. This morning my other sister called to tell me that one of the deans at her university (a very nice older woman who is something of a mentor to her) is going to be put on a ventilator to give her lungs a chance to rest. It appears that she would get better for a few days and then relapse. Now her husband is in the same hospital and their poor son is trying to coordinate their care from out of state.

Meanwhile Mr. 'I knew it was a pandemic from the start' is trying to throw WHO under the bus, blaming everybody but himself for his slow response to this pandemic. I don't know how true this is but my sister told me that his administration was busy in January and February selling medical equipment to other countries. Anything to make a dollar.

The sad thing is that this did not have to happen on this grand scale in America. This is all Trump's fault.
 
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