The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

sunshinebeautiful

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Ladies,
I'm having a hard time finding disinfecting spray ie. Lysol Clorox or any off brand for that matter. Please share your online sources for this and other hard to find items here. I'm almost out of spray!

Yeah, I read somewhere that disinfecting spray will be super hard to find until mid-summer. The supply chain was not equipped for the sudden rush of demand and time is needed to ramp up production and get it out to the country.
 

meka72

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Here’s a Twitter thread by a Latina about how she had to fight for her medical care

Thread by @karlitaliliana: I was hospitalized last week for a very accelerated heart rate, very low BP, and cycling oxygen levels. And my entire experience at Alameda…
I was hospitalized last week for a very accelerated heart rate, very low BP, and cycling oxygen levels. And my entire experience at Alameda hospital was of one of being punished for being “insubordinate”.

I’ve had such a hard time writing this down. I’m only doing it because it may help someone. But it’s hard to write down. I was in a very vulnerable position and had both my colleague/friend Mimi and her cardiac nurse cousin Jacinta on FaceTime.

The physician came in ready to discharge me before there was an exam. When Mimi and Jacinta asked questions and pushed back the doctor went ballistic. He refused to give me healthcare if they were on the phone. I could get healthcare only if my advocates weren’t on the phone.

You have to understand that I was woozy. I was having a very hard time communicating. But I wasn’t allowed to have help. When he came back in the room he kept wanting to talk about my friends tone or my tone. I told him I needed him to be focused on my healthcare.

Early in the process I had heard all the micro-aggressions, when I was struggling to put my words together asking if I spoke Spanish derisively. I was asked multiple times if it was diabetes. I told them to check my blood sugar that I had never been even pre-diabetic.

I was talked down to as if I couldn’t understand what was happening. I had to assert several times that I was a weightlifter, a CEO, a Tía, a human. And I hated it. I would never use those things as a way to demonstrate I had value

and ultimately still understood that was the only way to connote that I had value in this very messed up system. My oxygen levels were cycling from the 70’s to 90’s and the doctor told me the 70’s didn’t count. That I would be out of breath if they were true.
My heart rate was staying between 115 to 134 for hours. The attending was doing nothing about it. Mimi calls @nmsanchez@hutchamachutch @laurawp trying to figure out what to do for me. Laura gets a friend who is a doctor to call the hospital and get looped into my care.
The attending comes into yell at me telling me how inappropriate that is. How he wants the doctors number to call her and tell her how unprofessional she is. I say I want a different doctor, he tells me there are no other doctors.

I say I want a patient advocate, I’m given hospital admins number and told I can call in the morning. In the mean time, my whole damn community is calling medical people they know to ensure what is happening is not right.


Three medical professionals confirm that my case is being mismanaged. So my people start trying to transfer me. I communicate this to the doctor that I want to be discharged and suddenly he is concerned with letting me go.

He tells me that my heart rate is too high for that. He also warns me that I’ll be incurring lots of medical debt because insurance doesn’t like paying for more than one hospital stay. Meanwhile, every time I push back, it’s a large reaction, like I’m questioning his authority.

I had been reading about Covid patients having clots and strokes and wanted a CT and ultrasound on my leg (I had been having shooting pains), at first they told me it was a cyst behind my leg and I said “how can you possibly know that, NO ONE has even examined my leg”

I got talked to about my tone again. I ask for a CT and he says “That’s a lot of radiation next to your breast tissue, do you want breast cancer? I’ll only agree to this if you say you’re fine with getting breast cancer”

So I have to say I’m fine with getting breast cancer in order to get a CT that never came.

It gets to the point that whenever he comes in the room, my heart rate goes 120ish to 130’s. I’m trying to calm myself down. I am telling myself, I cannot let this man kill me. Meanwhile, I’m so dang weak. I have such a hard time. I have lost all faith the doctor would save me.

Finally Mimi gets on the phone and tells me “Karla, I know you’re tired. I know you want to go to sleep. I know you don’t want to push back right now but we need to save your life. Just give me 15 minutes to get yourself out of there and we will do everything else.”

So I’m sitting there tachycardic with my oxygen levels cycling, and I say okay. I tell them to discharge me. He tells me about all the debt and how I could have a heart attack on the bay bridge. I’m in a gown, unplugged trying to go get my clothes to get dressed.

He comes in several times demanding the numbers of the medical professionals that advocated for me. I tell him he can’t be my priority. He won’t leave the door. So finally I look him dead in the face and tell him...

“I need you to understand that I understand I may incur medical debt here. That I may have a heart attack. But I have lost all faith in the possibility you or this hospital would save my life. And so I’m willing to take that risk. Now please close the door, I need to get dressed”

He is then outside saying he wants the numbers of my people. I tell him, again, he is not my priority right now. I wait til he leaves and I don’t so much as sign a discharge paper. I go to the parking lot where @PerspectivePlus is waiting to take me to UCSF.
I’m so tired y’all and still actually afraid this wild doctor is going to chase me out to the parking lot. When I get to Trina’s back seat I can barely keep my eyes open. I just felt relief.

In the first 30 minutes at UCSF I had more exams then in 5 hours at Alameda hospital. When the nurse comes in there she says she heard about what happened to me (again, thank God for my people)

and she says she wants me to know that she believes me and I won’t be released until they are sure I’m going to be okay. And I start sobbing.

Here is the thing y’all, because of the particular way I was treated, I know that if I was a thin, white, woman I would have not been treated that way.

I’m writing this because all the coverage of Latinx and Black death as a result of Covid is being covered like it’s JUST the pre-existing conditions of racism that make us susceptible. That is certainly part of it, but the other part is the lack of value people see in our lives.

That lack of value puts us in a position where a doctor who has incredible power in that moment of personal vulnerability can prioritize what they see as your insubordination as a more important matter than your health.

Bias makes a doctor believe we should be grateful for any scrap of care we get and when that is questioned and we are considered ungrateful, our care gets compromised.

I am tremendously privileged and I watched the long arm of my community put their foot solidly in the ground for me.

It was watching the systems that are built to discard us at best and exterminate us at worst do that. And watching your community go “No the *** you don’t”

And I know that not all of us have the privilege of a bunch of Black and Brown activist, lawyers, doctors, community workers to be mobilized BEFORE our lives are snuffed out.

I’m am forever grateful, changed, and deeply moved by what everyone did to save me. And I truly believe they saved me. And we need reforms or data or accountability to be in place in order for our people to not be killed by medical systems.

Especially when our health is vulnerable in the first place.

Folks are asking about my current condition so I’ll add here. I’m gratefully without fever for the first time in 9 weeks. Which is such a relief. I still have persistent tachycardia that I’m seeing a cardiologist and Infectious disease specialist about.

It’s hard to know whether this is my body recovering from Covid or having a long term problem as a result of Covid so lots of tests on the way to get there.

Also, there were so many people that stood up for me. Mimi Fox Melton chief among them. But thank you also to @nmsanchez@hutchamachutch @PerspectivePlus@EricaJoy @la_urene Navi, Danielle, several members of my team, and the serious army of people keeping me fed right now.
 

SpiritJunkie

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My sister got COVID. This is her 2nd week of it and she's doing much better. she works in a long term care facility that had 25 patient death and 1 staff passing. The military had to come and clean up the place because it was such a mess...the staff weren't properly equipped, everyone was getting sick...just a hot mess. Thankfully she is getting over it which isn't always the case for others. This is in Canada.
 
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InchHighPrivateEye

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I am disheartened and disgusted by the way people are discussing “a return to normalcy.” I get the desire to return to normal life and forget this existed and be able to go and come as you please. I think we all feel that way. , but the way ppl are talking about this desire as if this is an inconvenience to them and the quarantine and stay at home orders are worthless Bc they themselves weren’t impacted (which is because of the stay at home order, but they think it’s bc they’re white :drunk:) is so ugly.

Our stay at home order ends tomorrow. A coworker posted a pic of herself on the beach yesterday saying “it’s so good to see ppl out.” At this point, I’m considering all comments like this racism :drunk: and, because we know the virus isn’t a respecter of race but not everyone appears to know that, I’m using ppls reaction to phase 1 as a barometer of intelligence too.
 
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vevster

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discodumpling

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If you're spraying clothes daily, you're better off putting them in the wash. I know this is easier said than done.
Yes your idea is definitely easier. I wash 1× per week though.
It's a process. He undresses in the entry way and leaves the clothes hung there before I collect em hours later. (Usually the next day.) then its straight to the shower...dont talk to me, don't look at me or my babies before washing his daily travels diwn the drain with a head to toe shower.
 
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meka72

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My sister got COVID. This is her 2nd week of it and she's doing much better. she works in a long term care facility that had 25 patient death and 1 staff pass. The military had to come and clean up the place because it was such a mess...the staff weren't properly equipped, everyone was getting sick...just a hot mess. Thankfully she is getting over it which isn't always the case for others. This is in Canada.
Glad to hear that your sister is improving. Hope she makes a full recovery.
 

vevster

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Yes your idea is definitely easier. I wash 1× per week though.
It's a process. He undresses in the entry way and leaves the clothes hung there before I collect em hours later. (Usually the next day.) then its straight to the shower...dont talk to me, don't look at me or my babies before washing his daily travels diwn the drain with a head to toe shower.
I wonder how many men are catching C19 because they don't have a caring spouse to do this?
 

Black Ambrosia

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@discodumpling I wanted to add -- because the Force of Nature is non toxic to humans you can even use it on your hands as a hand sanitizer in a pinch. I actually have a 2 oz spray bottle of it in my purse that I take EVERY where with me. You never know when you need to disinfect something.
Every time you mention this I say I’m going to order it and then I start doing something else. Today is the day. Thanks for bringing it up again.
 

discodumpling

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I wonder how many men are catching C19 because they don't have a caring spouse to do this?
I'm taking notes from my parents. My Dad is 68 and still goes out to work everyday in the city. He enters their house through the side entrance which leads straight to the basement and a shower! My Dad is a longtime germaphobe. He been extra in his hygiene and housecleaning practices!
I also have hot ginger tea waiting for DH everyday...its all part of our new normal.
 

yamilee21

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... but the way ppl are talking about this desire as if this is an inconvenience to them and the quarantine and stay at home orders are worthless Bc they themselves weren’t impacted. ...
Your post resonated with me as I came across this post in a local online group; it is written by a woman of southeast Asian ancestry, whose children have visible African-American ancestry through their father. Her words are shockingly callous to me... the selfishness is beyond comprehension. (And I wonder about how such an attitude will serve her children, who look sufficiently black that law enforcement, etc., would never treat them the same way they do the white militia crowd.)
To me, your death is not my problem. I will not give up my liberty for whatever it is that makes you feel safe. If you're scared of dying, stay home, muzzle up or dig yourself a hole....that just might be the safest place for you now. The whole country....this city's economy shouldn't stop because of your fear of dying. If you're meant to die, you will die. NO mask, NO snitching, NO distancing, NO drugs and definitely NO law is gonna keep you alive.

Just so you haven't noticed in your whole life, that you need oxygen to breathe. Take the dam mask off so you get enough of it. Do your kids a favor, take it off so they don't end up in the hospital with a tube down throat gasping for air and end up on Cuomo's list of corona deaths. Those masks don't do much but prevent people from having to smell your halitosis.

To those who understand and enjoy freedom, make it ring loud. Know your rights! Rise up! Gun up!
This woman is part of a group that opposes wearing masks, opposes social distancing, opposes isolation of the infected and quarantine of the exposed, and even opposes contact tracing as an infringement on freedom. (Really?!? You don’t want to know that someone you sat near for two hours at church/theater/plane/whatever is sick, so you can take precautions and get ready for possible illness yourself?) They also seem to believe that “the government” is just hankering to steal children from their families because of the possibility of hotel rooms being offered to quarantine people in overcrowded housing. In short, nothing at all should be done to prevent this illness... who cares if the medical system collapses and hundreds of thousands or millions die. But what I want to know is, what makes people like this so sure that they will be among the survivors? There seems to be absolutely nothing that can be done to reason with such people individually, but their influence through social media, etc., is alarmingly dangerous.
 

InchHighPrivateEye

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Oh wow we @yamilee21. Yes, THIS is what I feel like most people are saying. She had time to explicitly spell it out, but that’s clearly what many non-black folks are feeling and it’s just like ugh!
My “employee” (and this in quotes Bc I don’t have the power to fire her at will-and if I did :drunk: —so let’s just let me deal only in reality here) gives me these teas. She clearly knows my thoughts on this Bc she was trying to go to Germany-literally the evening their president came on tv and the nba announced a suspension of their season, that same night she was hoping she could still catch her flight to Germany :drunk: and so she asks yesterday if it’s okay if she takes off today and Monday Bc she is going to the beach (this is not the person I mentioned at the beach in my first post. The whites are OUT) and I feel like she is saying it contemptuously. She’s actually have black but you wouldn’t know and she is very uncomfortable around black people. None of that is here nor there, but my point is that it’s clear she thinks anything to worry about would be my issue, not her issue and she sounds cheeky about the whole thing and it pisses me off. I try to remain unbothered in life but I admit , folks are pissing me off with this virus.
 
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Everything Zen

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^^^ I wasn’t even thinking about swimming. :lachen:

I don’t go into the lake except maybe to get my feet wet every five years. I remember the high e.coli warnings that would shut down swimming at Lake Michigan when I was a child and those memories made a strong impression on me. That’s how I know I was a child with good sense. :yep:

I say let the MAGATs swim at their own risk. :look:
 

Black Ambrosia

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Maybe this is stupid but I don’t understand the whole beach closing. You can definitely social distance at a beach. If the parks are open what’s the difference? This is coming from a person that has not left her home for much of anything.
Because lots of people go to the beach to socialize and hang out. They could do right but you know they won't. You can't plan for a handful of antisocial people on the beach. You have to plan for regular folks who can't be bothered with rules and spring breakers who want to party.
 

meka72

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Thread by @JeremyKonyndyk: Alright. There is a LOT of chatter on this website bashing those who are saying most of the country still isn't ready for a safe reopening.…
Alright. There is a LOT of chatter on this website bashing those who are saying most of the country still isn't ready for a safe reopening.

So, as we approach what would normally be summer pool season, here's a short analogy about pooping and accountability.


Imagine you're at the pool, and a kid poops in the water. It happens a few times every summer.

What happens next? Everybody clears the pool. That's the initial step to protect people from the poop.

But it's not the end of the story.

There's a next step - some poor soul on pool staff has to go fish out the poop. It's a pretty thankless job.

Then they have to shock the pool with chlorine to kill off bacteria.

And then everyone waits half and hour or so til it's safe to swim again. cdc.gov/healthywater/s…
You can see where I'm going with this.

If the lifeguards tell everyone to clear the pool, but the pool staff declines to actually get rid of the poop, what happens?

No one can go back in. The poop is still there. Limbo.

Whose fault is it that it's not safe to go back in the water? Who is accountable?

Do you focus on the people saying "clean up the poop before we can go back in safely!"?

Or do you focus on the staff whose job it is to clean up the poop?

And what would you think if the staff started saying - look, just get back in. Be a warrior.

The answer is pretty obvious.
So right now, our country is a big swimming pool with a poop problem.

And the President, rather than fix the mess, is urging everyone back into the pool regardless and saying the *real* problem is those people who think the pool's not safe yet. They must hate the pool, etc.

And a lot of the public is buying it!!

The President's whole play here is to distract from his failure to fix the mess by focusing the country's attention on people who don't want to swim in a pooped-in pool.

He wants you to believe they're saying you should never go back in.

And if you buy that, he's off the hook. He doesn't have to clean up the poop, and he doesn't get blamed for failing to do so. Win-win for him.

But NO ONE is saying "never go back in the pool." They're saying - please clean out the poop first.

Everyone wants to get back in the pool. Everyone wants to reopen the country.

And if you're frustrated that we can't, please hold the right folks accountable. The problem isn't the people saying we need to reopen *safely*.

It's the people saying needn't bother with that part.

Addendum - @KatzOnEarth helpfully extends the analogy in this post.

Telling people to just be warriors and go back in the pool isn't just reckless, it also *won't work*. Maybe a few hardy souls will take their chances.

But those who can will opt out.
If people can see the poop still floating in the pool, they're not going to be convinced by the staff telling them it's safe to go in.

Similarly, governors lifting restrictions won't yield economic recovery until a critical mass of people feel that reopening is safe.

So the pool staff need to stop telling us it's too hard to clean up the poop, and probably unnecessary, and that if we just wait maybe it will go away on its own.
 

Chromia

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Your post resonated with me as I came across this post in a local online group; it is written by a woman of southeast Asian ancestry, whose children have visible African-American ancestry through their father. Her words are shockingly callous to me... the selfishness is beyond comprehension. (And I wonder about how such an attitude will serve her children, who look sufficiently black that law enforcement, etc., would never treat them the same way they do the white militia crowd.)

This woman is part of a group that opposes wearing masks, opposes social distancing, opposes isolation of the infected and quarantine of the exposed, and even opposes contact tracing as an infringement on freedom. (Really?!? You don’t want to know that someone you sat near for two hours at church/theater/plane/whatever is sick, so you can take precautions and get ready for possible illness yourself?) They also seem to believe that “the government” is just hankering to steal children from their families because of the possibility of hotel rooms being offered to quarantine people in overcrowded housing. In short, nothing at all should be done to prevent this illness... who cares if the medical system collapses and hundreds of thousands or millions die. But what I want to know is, what makes people like this so sure that they will be among the survivors? There seems to be absolutely nothing that can be done to reason with such people individually, but their influence through social media, etc., is alarmingly dangerous.
I heard someone on the radio say "You can't reason with the unreasonable."

My county executive said "Economies recover. People who die do not." A simple statement that some people just don't understand or care about.
 
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