Info regarding CON...check this out

LongHairDreams · Apr 2, 2008

I recieved a call today from one of the top people in marketing from CON. She got my letter and had to call me....personally.

In the letter, I included some of the responses from the discontinuation thread.

She said they aren't discontinuing the shampoo. They just added organic ingredients and changing the packaging. (to me thats still called discontinuing)

She said that they added some ingredients but they always contained sulfates.

She said that they got great responses from new and current customers regarding the organic version.

She also said that it has a little more slip.

They also changed the scent slightly.

Just telling you what she said.

Browndilocks · Apr 2, 2008

fnggrant said:
I recieved a call today from one of the top people in marketing from CON. She got my letter and had to call me....personally.

In the letter, I included some of the responses from the discontinuation thread.

She said they aren't discontinuing the shampoo. They just added organic ingredients and changing the packaging. (to me thats still called discontinuing)

She said that they added some ingredients but they always contained sulfates.

She said that they got great responses from new and current customers regarding the organic version.

She also said that it has a little more slip.

They also changed the scent slightly.

Just telling you what she said.

That's the thing tho... if it ain't broke, don't fix it! I smelled the new version and it still smells the same to me... definitely nothing like the fruit thats pictured on the packaging. :lol:

Thank you for the information. :up:

MonaLisa · Apr 2, 2008

fnggrant said:
I recieved a call today from one of the top people in marketing from CON. She got my letter and had to call me....personally.

In the letter, I included some of the responses from the discontinuation thread.

She said they aren't discontinuing the shampoo. They just added organic ingredients and changing the packaging. (to me thats still called discontinuing)

She said that they added some ingredients but they always contained sulfates.

She said that they got great responses from new and current customers regarding the organic version.

She also said that it has a little more slip.

They also changed the scent slightly.

Just telling you what she said.

?????????????????????

erplexed

CON doesn't have sulfates in it and it's moisturizing...that's what makes it the bomb combination for AA hair....

Marketing does not know it's own product?

That marketing person must be a squirrel thinking I'm a nut...
I know what the label says...

*not directed at OP, directed at statement made by marketing rep*

LongHairDreams · Apr 2, 2008

she said she asked one of people above her about the sulfates.

what are sulfates anyway?

Soul♥Flower · Apr 2, 2008

I wouldn't worry about it. If CON is as popular as represented by the hairboards, then they'll "change" it back when they see their sales start to sink.

aja1121 · Apr 2, 2008

fnggrant said:
she said she asked one of people above her about the sulfates.

what are sulfates anyway?

Sulfates are foaming agents; they come in different forms (Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Ammonium Laureth/Lauryl Sulfate). There are also gentler derivatives made from sugar and other natural ingredients. Jonathan, Ojon, and Phyto are brands that use the derivatives in which they can claim to be sulfate-free. These derivatives are very expensive and that is why people pay more than $20 for shampoo :ohwell:

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CON shampoo definitely had and has sulfates!

LongHairDreams · Apr 2, 2008

aja1121 said:
Sulfates are foaming agents; they come in different forms (Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Ammonium Laureth/Lauryl Sulfate). There are also gentler derivatives made from sugar and other natural ingredients. Jonathan, Ojon, and Phyto are brands that use the derivatives in which they can claim to be sulfate-free. These derivatives are very expensive and that is why people pay more than $20 for shampoo.

CON shampoo definitely had and has sulfates!

Interesting. Thanks for that info. :yep:

BrooklynSouth · Apr 2, 2008

I've had my big bottle of CON green in use for a year with plenty left. I also have a full, unused bottle of the cream/red bottle. The shampoo lasts so long I'll probably still have some years from now so not too worried. The new bottles look nice but I will not be trying them for a long, long time. I pj-ed like mad when I first joined LHCF so I have lots of shampoos-JASON,SILK ELEMENTS, TRESSEME,THERMASILK,PRO VIVE, etc. I only regularly need to purchase leave-ins and that fantastic BB CASTOR OIL CREAM.

MonaLisa · Apr 2, 2008

aja1121 said:
Sulfates are foaming agents; they come in different forms (Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Ammonium Laureth/Lauryl Sulfate). There are also gentler derivatives made from sugar and other natural ingredients. Jonathan, Ojon, and Phyto are brands that use the derivatives in which they can claim to be sulfate-free. These derivatives are very expensive and that is why people pay more than $20 for shampoo.

CON shampoo definitely had and has sulfates!

Okay, please help me find the sulfate...because you said that with conviction, so I need to learn where it is... I'm not trying to be funny..where is it?

Water (Aqua), Trideceth-7 Carboxylic Acid, Decyl Glucoside, Glycol Stearate, Polyquaternium-10, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Extract, Hydrolyzed Milk Protein, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Honey, Citrus Medica Limonum (Lemon) Fruit Extract, Peg-12 Dimethicone, Abies Balsamea (Balsam Canada) Resin, Pectin, Lecithin, Barosma Betulina Leaf Extract, Commiphora Abyssinica Extract, Origanum Majorana Leaf Extract, Iris Florentina Root Extract, Propylene Glycol, Quaternium-15, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxide, Fragrance, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Citronellol, Coumarin, Hydroxycitronellal, Linalool, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Green3 , Yellow 10

This is the back of the bottle of my Green and White Label Ultra Moisturizing Formula Creme of Nature shampoo.

HoneyDew · Apr 2, 2008

Not even the clarifying one has sulfates.

If they have had sulfates all this time, somebody up at the CON office been mislabeling.

TCT · Apr 3, 2008

fnggrant said:
I recieved a call today from one of the top people in marketing from CON. She got my letter and had to call me....personally.

In the letter, I included some of the responses from the discontinuation thread.

She said they aren't discontinuing the shampoo. They just added organic ingredients and changing the packaging. (to me thats still called discontinuing)

She said that they added some ingredients but they always contained sulfates.

She said that they got great responses from new and current customers regarding the organic version.

She also said that it has a little more slip.

They also changed the scent slightly.

Just telling you what she said.

yeah when i called they pretty much said the same thing. they said that the poo always contained sulfates but they did not have to list them at the time. now they have to list them, also she said they wont discontinue at the present time, both will be sold but she doesnt know what they plan on doing later. she stated that perhaps a yr from now they could be gone, but she said for now they will still be around.

pretty much what you said already

Empress Yahudah · Apr 3, 2008

TCT said:
yeah when i called they pretty much said the same thing. they said that the poo always contained sulfates but they did not have to list them at the time. now they have to list them, also she said they wont discontinue at the present time, both will be sold but she doesnt know what they plan on doing later. she stated that perhaps a yr from now they could be gone, but she said for now they will still be around.

pretty much what you said already

What!! U mean all this time Im using this thinking its sulfate free because they MISLEAD me by not putting it on the ingredients list.
That's lying :swearing:

. I don't want secret ingredients in my hair products or anything I buy.
Classic Okie-Doke... :hot:

HoneyDew · Apr 3, 2008

Oh, now they are all trying to do damage control! LOL

They all trying to have the same story now. Making stuff up.

Why wouldn't you post every ingredient on the list?! Why would oyu leave out that one? What else was left off?

They are trying to pull a fast one if you ask me.

Nita81 · Apr 3, 2008

MonaLisa said:
Okay, please help me find the sulfate...because you said that with conviction, so I need to learn where it is... I'm not trying to be funny..where is it?

Water (Aqua), Trideceth-7 Carboxylic Acid, Decyl Glucoside, Glycol Stearate, Polyquaternium-10, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Extract, Hydrolyzed Milk Protein, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Honey, Citrus Medica Limonum (Lemon) Fruit Extract, Peg-12 Dimethicone, Abies Balsamea (Balsam Canada) Resin, Pectin, Lecithin, Barosma Betulina Leaf Extract, Commiphora Abyssinica Extract, Origanum Majorana Leaf Extract, Iris Florentina Root Extract, Propylene Glycol, Quaternium-15, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxide, Fragrance, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Citronellol, Coumarin, Hydroxycitronellal, Linalool, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Green3 , Yellow 10

This is the back of the bottle of my Green and White Label Ultra Moisturizing Formula Creme of Nature shampoo.

I think that's a surfactant/sulfate.

TrustMeLove · Apr 3, 2008

HoneyDew said:
Oh, now they are all trying to do damage control! LOL

They all trying to have the same story now. Making stuff up.

Why wouldn't you post every ingredient on the list?! Why would oyu leave out that one? What else was left off?

They are trying to pull a fast one if you ask me.

This post is the TRUTH!

It's gotten too expensive to keep up witht he great CON ingredients so now they are adding sulfates and are trying to say the old one has always had sulfates. The devil is a lie!

They know that is not the truth. They are trying to pull a fast one.

abordeaux · Apr 3, 2008

Boooooooooooo!

tiffers · Apr 3, 2008

Do they think we just fell off the turnip truck???? Lying about secret ingredients and stuff

I was kinda sad that this was getting discontinued, but I don't care now. With their triflin selves! :swearing:

Welp, I hope CON is ready for a DRASTIC decrease in sales!

TCT · Apr 3, 2008

HoneyDew said:
Oh, now they are all trying to do damage control! LOL

They all trying to have the same story now. Making stuff up.

Why wouldn't you post every ingredient on the list?! Why would oyu leave out that one? What else was left off?

They are trying to pull a fast one if you ask me.

lol, i really dont know. it is possible, do you know how many things manufacturers can do this type of thing with. everything even your and my food. i remember a long time ago a special report on food manufacturers using buggs in something they were mass producing. the reason for using the bug was because they said( that the bug helped them to achieve intense color in the food that was not achieved by other ingredients alone) they listed some sort of thing, but they sure didnt say bug carcass on the back of anyone's box. i believe they said the reasoning was becaused they used under a certain amount in which case it did not have to be listed until it goes over that amount. if the sulfate thingy in the con is true - im not suprized .they do stuff like that.

LongHairDreams · Apr 3, 2008

The extra body formula for fine/limp hair has sulfates. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate.

Im not tripping now. I've always alternated between this and the regular formula with no problem. With all the fuss over sulfates, I didn't know how my hair would react to the new formula.

The regular formula...as someone posted...doesn't say "sulfate" unless its under a different name. I've been searching but can't find another name for it. I'll e-mail the lady and ask her.

destiny616 · Apr 3, 2008

Nita81 said:
I think that's a surfactant/sulfate.

Decyl Glucoside is a surfactant (cleansing agent) but not a sulfate. the two words are not interchangeable. all sulfates are surfactants but not all surfactants are sulfates.

macherieamour · Apr 3, 2008

Embria said:
I wouldn't worry about it. If CON is as popular as represented by the hairboards, then they'll "change" it back when they see their sales start to sink.

honestly, i dont think they will change it back. I think they are trying to target a "new customer base" :look:

Forbidden · Apr 3, 2008

fnggrant said:
I recieved a call today from one of the top people in marketing from CON. She got my letter and had to call me....personally.

In the letter, I included some of the responses from the discontinuation thread.

She said they aren't discontinuing the shampoo. They just added organic ingredients and changing the packaging. (to me thats still called discontinuing)

She said that they added some ingredients but they always contained sulfates.

She said that they got great responses from new and current customers regarding the organic version.

She also said that it has a little more slip.

They also changed the scent slightly.

Just telling you what she said.

She knew what slip was? lol

I wish CON would just give ONE straight answer...this is all confusing. I may be looking for a substitute soon, but CON is sooo good and the price can't be beat!

InnerSoul · Apr 3, 2008

I personally don't have a problem with sulfates on my scalp. My scalp loves it. Although I do like CON (green label)... I will still use other shampoos with sulfates. My scalp isn't partial :look:

HoneyDew · Apr 3, 2008

macherieamour said:
honestly, i dont think they will change it back. I think they are trying to target a "new customer base"

Wow ma! I have been thinking the same thing.

bgsix · Apr 3, 2008

I am about sick of these folks acting like we don't know anything.They changed the formula -end of story. I hope their sales fall really low. I'm gonna use what I have and find another alternative.

HoneyDew · Apr 3, 2008

tiffers said:
Do they think we just fell off the turnip truck???? Lying about secret ingredients and stuff I was kinda sad that this was getting discontinued, but I don't care now. With their triflin selves!

Welp, I hope CON is ready for a DRASTIC decrease in sales!

yep! LOL

Sunshine_One · Apr 3, 2008

TCT said:
lol, i really dont know. it is possible, do you know how many things manufacturers can do this type of thing with. everything even your and my food. i remember a long time ago a special report on food manufacturers using buggs in something they were mass producing. the reason for using the bug was because they said( that the bug helped them to achieve intense color in the food that was not achieved by other ingredients alone) they listed some sort of thing, but they sure didnt say bug carcass on the back of anyone's box. i believe they said the reasoning was becaused they used under a certain amount in which case it did not have to be listed until it goes over that amount. if the sulfate thingy in the con is true - im not suprized .they do stuff like that.

Yes, great example. This info came out (at least tht's when I discovered it) last year. I believe the bug in question is CARMINE a beetle. They use it for the red color in many foods...most widley found in YORGURT...yes, strawberry, rasberry etc. It stopped me cold from my beloved Yoplait. Now I spend at least 10 min reading labels on yogurt before I purchase. All these years they were putting buggs in our yogurt. :nono:

http://money.aol.com/bw/general/canvas3/_a/whats-in-my-food/20060808141909990001

http://www.naturalnews.com/002043.html

Sunshine_One · Apr 3, 2008

Nita81 said:
I think that's a surfactant/sulfate.

I just googled this...and it is a surfactant. Maybe that's what the marketing exec was referring too.

This is one site I found:

http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/form_surfactants.html

MissLawyerLady · Apr 3, 2008

From Wikipedia.....

Decyl glucoside is a mild non-ionic surfactant used in cosmetic formularies including baby shampoo and in products for individuals with a sensitive skin. Many natural personal care companies use this cleanser because it is plant-derived, biodegradable, and gentle for all hair types.
Decyl glucoside is produced by the reaction of glucose from corn starch with the fatty alcohol decanol which is derived from coconut.

HTH

HoneyDew · Apr 3, 2008

Sunshine_One said:
Yes, great example. This info came out (at least tht's when I discovered it) last year. I believe the bug in question is CARMINE a beetle. They use it for the red color in many foods...most widley found in YORGURT...yes, strawberry, rasberry etc. It stopped me cold from my beloved Yoplait. Now I spend at least 10 min reading labels on yogurt before I purchase. All these years we were in buggs in our yogurt.

Yep, and another is Shellac (Fiber One Bars have this for example) Shellac is a brittle or flaky secretion of the insect Kerria lacca, found in the forests of Assam and Thailand.

I mean honey is from a bug, too. So I guess it is not all that bad. :look:

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