actually i was t hinking the other day how thick my hair was when the "stylist" used no lye, but I also remember how brittle and dry it was and I did use moisturizer also this was done on virgin hair. When I swtched to lye (motions
) my hair felt even dryer also I did self hilights, and self dye, yes i was always a DIY
, just had to learn the right techniques. My new "stylist" began to use revlon mild on me "because of the color" needless to say she did help save my hair and it did become stronger and thicker. But I now use ORS Lye, I've been using it for about a year now and I think im satisfied the regular leaves me underprocessed and I am thinking of switching to a more quality relaxer. But what I will say is I do my relaxers myself, and my hair is thick. I don't think it is the relaxer that determines the thickness of your hair, but more the condition of your hair and the way it is cared. HTH. Because I know from experience my hair has done a complete 180, by using good techniques and sense that i learned from the ladies here.