SPIN-OFF: Black people with Type 1 Hair

LookieLoo

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I have never seen a person of full African descent with Type-1 hair. The closest I've come is a cousin of mine who is mixed-race (half- Chinese, half- Black-American) ... and even she'd be classified as Type-2.

I know many Aborigines have bone-straight hair (they are "black" but absolutely not of African descent) and dark-skinned Indians, of course. But Type-1 hair just isn't a black-African trait.
 

Strive4longhair

New Member
EbonyF said:
Not type 1 but by my 1st cousin on my mother side has type 2 hair. She is dark-skinned (mocha baby!) and her hair is like Ananda Lewis'. While her sister is light/brown-skinned and has type 4 hair (Go figure!, and they have the same father).

And they are not mixed. They use to get a lot of questions while growing up since it seems to disturb some Black people when they see a dark skin person with straightish wavy hair.

eta: Someone mentioned above, but I don't believe that you have to have some "other influences" in your lineage in order to have 3-type hair.


You just described my two children. My oldest daughter is light skin (practically pale) and has type 4 hair that I have problems with growing and my youngest is dark-skinned (mocha) with long type 2 hair and has no problem with growth. They both have the same father but on both sides of our family our great-grandmothers are indian. So in a way I think "other influences" do somewhat factor in. Just my opinion.
 

Nyambura

surfer girl
Crysdon said:
...I believe I saw someone on here post that they or their mother has type 1b. What is one 1b???

According to Walker's book, there are three subtypes of Type 1 hair (a - c), even though it's all supposed to have absolutely no curl and no wave. According to him, Type 1b is medium-textured with a lot of body. ::shrug::
 

alibi

hair bored
My aunt has type 1 hair, and my mom's is type 2. I have pics of my mom's hair in my album, but I'll have to try to dig up a pic of my aunt's hair. :scratchch

ETA: I added a pic of my auntie's hair in my album under "mommy's hair" Sorry, it's not the best pic. :ohwell:
 
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divine

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Both my grandma on my dads side, and my great-grandma on my moms side have type 1 hair. OF they are mixed, but so..........
 

Crysdon

Well-Known Member
ayanapooh said:
My aunt has type 1 hair, and my mom's is type 2. I have pics of my mom's hair in my album, but I'll have to try to dig up a pic of my aunt's hair. :scratchch

ETA: I added a pic of my auntie's hair in my album under "mommy's hair" Sorry, it's not the best pic. :ohwell:

I just saw the picture. Your auntie's hair is a type 2, not 1. Beautiful hair (both mother and aunt).
 

Poohbear

Fearfully Wonderfully Made
model_chick717 said:
PREACH! haha, I'm STILL wondering why the discussion is getting so "heated".....:scratchch
ME TOO! :shocked:

What happen while I was gone for a couple of hours? Geez! I come back and have a bad rating on this thread I started. :lol:

It's okay ladies. Let's just say anyone can have any type of hair texture and move on! :D
 

Tru_Mind

New Member
qtgirl said:
I agree a lot of ppl. do not know Andre's scale and make up their own, whether out of not knowing or to try and fit their hairtype into another box.
I agree, so many people here still don't understand...or whatever, because Andre's scale is really not that complicated.

I believe that Andre tried his best not to relate hair types to race, because most people are mixed anyway...if you what to call it "mixed", because all races originate from Africa...and like Flowerhair said, "Africans carry the traits of every race."

Andre even said that this was one reason why he came up with the hair typing scale to stop people from relating hair to race, because all caucasians don't have the same hair, all blacks don't either, etc.

We already related hair types to race waaay before Andre's scale...and we continue to do so. I believe that he should have shown pics of different races in each section in order to further prove his point to some of us.

Many people are mixed many times over. I know a family who where orignally classified as black, then mixed with white and Native American and became classified as white, and then mixed with black and now they're classified as black again.
 
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alibi

hair bored
Crysdon said:
I just saw the picture. Your auntie's hair is a type 2, not 1. Beautiful hair (both mother and aunt).

Thanks, I love both of their hair! :yep: But when my auntie's hair is soaking wet like my mom's, it's stick straigh without any curls. She can only get it to curl with hot rollers. I guess it all depends on one's definition.

BTW, I hadn't read the whole thread when I posted before, but I have now. I don't know why this type of discussion always gets to some ppl, cuz I don't think it's that deep. Most African's don't have straight hair b/c their heads would burn up in the hot sun, period! I don't think God was making an aesthetic choice when he created people. :cool: But it is possible for black people to have type 1 hair. Not common, but it does happen.
 

Poohbear

Fearfully Wonderfully Made
I wonder why the "White People with Type 4 Hair" thread didn't get heated like this one... :look:
 

honeisos

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Leave it to Pooh to start the drama!!!:lol:

Luv ya Pooh ... you really know how to give the board FIRE!!!!!!!!!! :kiss:
 

KAddy

New Member
Crysdon said:
I just saw the picture. Your auntie's hair is a type 2, not 1. Beautiful hair (both mother and aunt).
I beg to differ. Her hair looks straight to me no curl. She stated that her aunt curls it to put the bend in it.
 

MonaLisa

Well-Known Member
Poohbear said:
I wonder why the "White People with Type 4 Hair" thread didn't get heated like this one... :look:

Question....is that where you got the idea for this thread?

Also, scientific fact...where there's fire...comes heat.:look:
 
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Nyambura

surfer girl
Poohbear said:
I wonder why the "White People with Type 4 Hair" thread didn't get heated like this one... :look:

I was wondering the same thing myself...but let me not go further, since apparently insisting that texture discussions such as these don't = pathology makes my statements "heated," lol. :smirk: Although my post in the thread quoted above didn't seem to generate such a reaction. :scratchchin:
 

EbonyF

Well-Known Member
Some food for thought but...

Why is that a Black person with straightish hair HAS to have some non-white ancestry?

Why isn't this question for White folks with Curly hair? Did they get their Curls from a Black/African ancestor and the "naps" got looser over time, hence them having curly hair?

HMMM.
 

myco

New Member
ayanapooh said:
Thanks, I love both of their hair! :yep: But when my auntie's hair is soaking wet like my mom's, it's stick straigh without any curls. She can only get it to curl with hot rollers. I guess it all depends on one's definition.

BTW, I hadn't read the whole thread when I posted before, but I have now. I don't know why this type of discussion always gets to some ppl, cuz I don't think it's that deep. Most African's don't have straight hair b/c their heads would burn up in the hot sun, period! I don't think God was making an aesthetic choice when he created people. :cool: But it is possible for black people to have type 1 hair. Not common, but it does happen.

I was watching a program on TLC (it might have been The Real Eve) and the researchers were discussing the environmental uses for the differences in hair and skin color. In hot, tropical climates like most of Africa, kinky,curly hair is advantageous because it allows for heat to be dispersed from the scalp. The strands of hair grow away from the head allowing the heat to escape. Straighter hair on the other hand, lays next to the scalp trapping the heat next to the body.

The stereotypical caucasian nose is advantageous in colder climates because the high, thin nasal passage warms incoming air. Broader, flatter noses help to cool the incoming air.

Melanin or the lack thereof is related to our ability to absorb Vitamin D from the sun. Melanin inhibits Vitamin D absorption from the sun. So if you live in a northern climate that gets relatively less sun for large parts of the year, fairer skin allows you to maximize your Vitamin D absorption when it's available. On the flipside, the ability to produce melanin offers more UV protection in climates that get a lot of sun year-round. I know that was OT, but I just find stuff like that amazing. There is a method to the madness.

I was going to answer Poohbear's original question, but I don't know any unmixed black people with Type 1 or Type 2 hair. It might not have been in the last couple of generations, but great-grandmother/father and beyond it's there.
 

FlowerHair

Reclaiming my time
ayanapooh said:
My aunt has type 1 hair, and my mom's is type 2. I have pics of my mom's hair in my album, but I'll have to try to dig up a pic of my aunt's hair. :scratchch

ETA: I added a pic of my auntie's hair in my album under "mommy's hair" Sorry, it's not the best pic. :ohwell:

Your mother looks like a 3b/c to me, because my hair looks even straighter than that when wet and I'm nowhere near a 2... Just my opinion. Your mother's hair is very beautiful! :)
 

Poohbear

Fearfully Wonderfully Made
MonaLisa said:
Question....is that where you got the idea for this thread?

Also, scientific fact...where there's fire...comes heat.:look:
yeah, see where it say's "SPIN-OFF" in front of the title of this thread? ;)
 

LookieLoo

New Member
EbonyF said:
Some food for thought but...

Why is that a Black person with straightish hair HAS to have some non-white ancestry?

Because straight hair is not a black/negroid/sub-saharan-African trait. If I saw a Korean man, for instance, who naturally had type-3C/4A hair, it would not be outlandish for me to assume that he is not 100% Korean.

EbonyF said:
Why isn't this question for White folks with Curly hair? Did they get their Curls from a Black/African ancestor and the "naps" got looser over time, hence them having curly hair?

HMMM.

But it is... Unless I'm mistaken, Jewish people with kinky/curly hair have some Arab/northern-African ancestry. Italians with curly/kinky hair also tend to have some African ancestry. Look far enough into their lineage and you'll find it. And, of course, there's the issue that *everyone* on the planet used to be African.
 

MonaLisa

Well-Known Member
Poohbear said:
yeah, see where it say's "SPIN-OFF" in front of the title of this thread? ;)

Actually, you know, I didn't even notice it. I forgot that you like to generate threads based on someone elses quite often. I should've realized that immediately.

my bad.;)
 

Poohbear

Fearfully Wonderfully Made
MonaLisa said:
Actually, you know, I didn't even notice it. I forgot that you like to generate threads based on someone elses quite often. I should've realized that immediately.

my bad.;)
HEE-HEE! :D I really don't do spin-off's quite often though. I just thought this would be an interesting one to do from that white 4a thread. Oh well. :)
 

Poohbear

Fearfully Wonderfully Made
Nyambura said:
I was wondering the same thing myself...but let me not go further, since apparently insisting that texture discussions such as these don't = pathology makes my statements "heated," lol. :smirk: Although my post in the thread quoted above didn't seem to generate such a reaction. :scratchchin:
I hadn't read the whole thread yet before posting that. I just saw a bad rating, several pages long, and that one post by model_chick about it being heated after coming back about 2 hrs after posting this thread. It's okay girl. After reading through your posts finally, I don't see you as being angry at anyone at all; you're just sharing your knowledge and views. :cool:
 

baglady215

Well-Known Member
myco said:
I was watching a program on TLC (it might have been The Real Eve) and the researchers were discussing the environmental uses for the differences in hair and skin color. In hot, tropical climates like most of Africa, kinky,curly hair is advantageous because it allows for heat to be dispersed from the scalp. The strands of hair grow away from the head allowing the heat to escape. Straighter hair on the other hand, lays next to the scalp trapping the heat next to the body.

The stereotypical caucasian nose is advantageous in colder climates because the high, thin nasal passage warms incoming air. Broader, flatter noses help to cool the incoming air.

Melanin or the lack thereof is related to our ability to absorb Vitamin D from the sun. Melanin inhibits Vitamin D absorption from the sun. So if you live in a northern climate that gets relatively less sun for large parts of the year, fairer skin allows you to maximize your Vitamin D absorption when it's available. On the flipside, the ability to produce melanin offers more UV protection in climates that get a lot of sun year-round. I know that was OT, but I just find stuff like that amazing. There is a method to the madness.

Yes, I learned this in HS. Over time, people have adapted to their environment.
 

EbonyF

Well-Known Member
LookieLoo said:
Because straight hair is not a black/negroid/sub-saharan-African trait. If I saw a Korean man, for instance, who naturally had type-3C/4A hair, it would not be outlandish for me to assume that he is not 100% Korean.

But it is... Unless I'm mistaken, Jewish people with kinky/curly hair have some Arab/northern-African ancestry. Italians with curly/kinky hair also tend to have some African ancestry. Look far enough into their lineage and you'll find it. And, of course, there's the issue that *everyone* on the planet used to be African.

And there's no issue of everyone being of African Descent. This is a fact. Hence we all carry the DNA strands of ALL types hair types. It has nothing to do with having a non-black ancestor in order to see that straight hair.

Basically in a nutshell, what throws people off is RACE. I mean, no one every ponders about a White person's straight hair. Why isn't that they have straight hair BECAUSE of their African ancestor? or why can't a Black person have straight hair because of their African descent? The color of ones skin has no determination of straightness or nappiness.

sidenote:

(My thoughts are more scientifically grounded (ie: migration from Africa, pangea etc.)
 

Nyambura

surfer girl
Poohbear said:
I hadn't read the whole thread yet before posting that. I just saw a bad rating, several pages long, and that one post by model_chick about it being heated after coming back about 2 hrs after posting this thread. It's okay girl. After reading through your posts finally, I don't see you as being angry at anyone at all; you're just sharing your knowledge and views. :cool:

Thanks, Pooh. How this topic became an issue of self-hatred, along the strains of Toni Morrison's "Bluest Eye," is beyond me. At least you took the time to actually read my posts instead of going off half-cocked, so I thank you. I also realize you can only present facts as they exist; what others do with them is up to them. People can deny all they want that Black people with Type 1 hair exist (no one's saying they're common) or that the human population is genetically diverse (or even the peoples/climates of Africa). It doesn't change the fact of any of these realities. At some point it has become an exchange of diminishing returns so I will gracefully bow out. Thanks for starting the thread, Pooh. Peace. :)

 

CarLiTa

Well-Known Member
i just don't care enough about this topic. whether my belief (that 100% blacks do not have type 1 hair unless there's a nutritional deficiency) is wrong, doesn't change a thing. Black people having wooly hair from the beginning of time does not make us inferior.
 
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vaqtea

Active Member
I'm anemic and I havent noticed that my hair has changed or anything :confused: What exactly happened to your hair?
I need to be on the look out :sekret:
 

lsubabiedee

New Member
i've seen some black girls down here with straight hair that they dont thermally nor chemically straighten...these are girls with 2 black parents...but umm...since this is creole land, anything is possible
 
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