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Aa Workers Get Mexican Workers Deported In Order To Take Over Their Jobs

Laela

Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
Don't know what thread you're referring to..but @ bolded, my answer would be ...Errrr, the person most qualified to do the job?? o_O But that's just me.

We already have a Diaspora, so there really is no need to be splitting hairs. People don't choose where they were born but they can choose where they want to live. It's an inalienable right, actually. Nothing wrong with being proud of being from the Caribbean or Africa. The African-American culture is distinctively separate from mainstream American culture,too. Many white Americans reject the Black Lives Matter movement (which they certainly misunderstand and aren't willing to try to understand) and other issues we collectively see as important - blacks from the Caribbean, Africa and elsewhere. So what you're intimating here is either here nor there, because we're all in the same slave boat. The African cultures are intertwined and deeply rooted into the African-American culture.

..and btw, I think you DO care :)

OK... now we get to the real reason for the sympathy... ICE has been picking up Caribbeans and Africans who are illegal. Now all of a sudden you folks who big up your cultures want to claim they are black. I asked this in another thread... if you were hiring and had a choice between a black American and an immigrant from your black culture, who would you hire? I couldn't seem to get a response. But we all know you would put your cultural attachments ahead of your racial attachments. This is exactly why I don't care if they send them back too!
 

JudithO

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OK... now we get to the real reason for the sympathy... ICE has been picking up Caribbeans and Africans who are illegal. Now all of a sudden you folks who big up your cultures want to claim they are black. I asked this in another thread... if you were hiring and had a choice between a black American and an immigrant from you black culture, who would you hire? I couldn't seem to get a response. This is exactly why I don't care if they send them back too!

The real reason for the sympathy is that choosing to destroy a family over non life threatening issues is cold blooded. This is the exact same atrocity that white people commit when they call the cops on black folks for presumably committing offenses without a care for the consequence to their family.

Who would I hire? An African American and a Nigerian with the exact same skill set? Likely the Nigerian ... We all do this - we are more emotionally connected to people who are more similar to us. However, I’d hire an African American with better skills than a Nigerian in a heart beat. If I feel like the African American has more limited employment opportunities compared to the Nigerian, I might hire them instead. Like Hispanics, if I were a company owner, I would likely hire mostly black people regardless of culture because I’m deeply interested in in improving the economic situation of black people as a whole.

Someone really has to try to hurt me and my family .... and I’d still think long and hard about doing something that would put someone in jail for 10+ years ... I’m not AA, but I know enough about how much this destroys families ... same consequence as calling ICE on someone... Are there other options? Call the police on them so at least they can get bailed out? Work with your HOA to change the landscaping company? Are there really no other options?

Again - you have every right to feel the way you do. You are not mandated to feel empathy or treat anyone any kind of way so there is no need to justify it.
 

nyeredzi

Well-Known Member
I'm not unsympathetic to immigrants. Like most of humanity, most of them are without power and are struggling to survive and do their best for their families. I don't even blame them for working illegally, crossing illegally, any of that, because I'm sure if I were in a desperate enough situation I'd do the same. I don't blame any poor people in desperate situations doing what they can to better themselves. And I don't believe they all hate us or whatever one has to believe to justify feeling nothing for someone else.

However, while we work on getting these corporations to act right (I'm socialist at heart), there are not enough resources here for everyone. Many say it's a poverty mindset, and maybe so, but just saying that doesn't make it untrue. We have to fight for what we can too. We also have families to support, and are already in a position in this society where we don't have much. We can't give up what little we do have for kindness' sake, and let our own families struggle.
 

itsallaboutattitude

Cancer Support in Health
I fall into no man’s land on this board my family falls into the purchased by America so by default I am Black and American, but my home base is in the Caribbean.

After 9/11, I had black aka African American co-workers (since the consensus on this board is 100 years doesn’t qualify me and mine to ever claim AA) and white/Caucasian co-workers tell me to my face I need to go back to my country.

Have the idiot in the White House now talking about no birth right citizenship for American territories.

Funny thing is West Indians point to us and say American and Americans point to us and say West Indian/ Islander/ Caribbean.
 

JudithO

Well-Known Member
I'm not unsympathetic to immigrants. Like most of humanity, most of them are without power and are struggling to survive and do their best for their families. I don't even blame them for working illegally, crossing illegally, any of that, because I'm sure if I were in a desperate enough situation I'd do the same. I don't blame any poor people in desperate situations doing what they can to better themselves. And I don't believe they all hate us or whatever one has to believe to justify feeling nothing for someone else.

However, while we work on getting these corporations to act right (I'm socialist at heart), there are not enough resources here for everyone. Many say it's a poverty mindset, and maybe so, but just saying that doesn't make it untrue. We have to fight for what we can too. We also have families to support, and are already in a position in this society where we don't have much. We can't give up what little we do have for kindness' sake, and let our own families struggle.

I agree with you 100% ... BUT calling ICE is an extreme way to fix the problem because the consequences are devastating to families. Immigrants (legal and illegal) are not the primary reason why black folks are not economically powerful. I actually don't support companies hiring illegal immigrants and I think there should be consequences for it. Illegal immigrants will figure out a way to make money because they are desperate enough.... if there is no way to make money, they'll stop coming to the US. There are changes that can and should be made on a company, and government policy level.... but don't punish the immigrants who are not the cause of the problem.
 

nyeredzi

Well-Known Member
I agree with you 100% ... BUT calling ICE is an extreme way to fix the problem because the consequences are devastating to families. Immigrants (legal and illegal) are not the primary reason why black folks are not economically powerful. I actually don't support companies hiring illegal immigrants and I think there should be consequences for it. Illegal immigrants will figure out a way to make money because they are desperate enough.... if there is no way to make money, they'll stop coming to the US. There are changes that can and should be made on a company, and government policy level.... but don't punish the immigrants who are not the cause of the problem.
Okay, if calling ICE is not the way to do it, and I admit it’s a tough move, what do you suggest? We need significant political changes, but those don’t happen overnight (or even over years, it seems). Imagine you are in the situation these black workers are in, what else can they do?
 

HappilyLiberal

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I fall into no man’s land on this board my family falls into the purchased by America so by default I am Black and American, but my home base is in the Caribbean.

After 9/11, I had black aka African American co-workers (since the consensus on this board is 100 years doesn’t qualify me and mine to ever claim AA) and white/Caucasian co-workers tell me to my face I need to go back to my country.

Have the idiot in the White House now talking about no birth right citizenship for American territories.

Funny thing is West Indians point to us and say American and Americans point to us and say West Indian/ Islander/ Caribbean.

Um, no... your ancestors were brought here on the slave ships, you are definitely African American! There are no indigenous black people on these shores. My issue is with these Johnny come within the last 25-30-40 years (which is when those Hispanics starting coming in larger numbers) who are looking down on us!
 

yamilee21

Well-Known Member
... there are not enough resources here for everyone. ...
This is absolute nonsense. The United States easily has the resources for everyone currently here, and likely another few dozen millions, to live decently. The problem is that the United States has reverted to a Gilded Age mentality, in which a very few robber barons are hoarding the overwhelming majority of resources, while the mass population is tricked into fighting each other over crumbs. Anti-immigrant sentiment and legislation (along with tightening of Jim Crow laws) accompanied the previous Gilded Age, and what are seeing today is a repeat of history with different groups as the current scapegoats. Had the general population not gone along with the destruction of unions and labor protection laws - in other words, had middle and working class white people put voting for their economic interests above upholding their racist beliefs - the overall standard of living here would be more on par with Canada and western Europe instead of heading ever-closer to third-world levels.
 

HappilyLiberal

Well-Known Member
This is absolute nonsense. The United States easily has the resources for everyone currently here, and likely another few dozen millions, to live decently. The problem is that the United States has reverted to a Gilded Age mentality, in which a very few robber barons are hoarding the overwhelming majority of resources, while the mass population is tricked into fighting each other over crumbs. Anti-immigrant sentiment and legislation (along with tightening of Jim Crow laws) accompanied the previous Gilded Age, and what are seeing today is a repeat of history with different groups as the current scapegoats. Had the general population not gone along with the destruction of unions and labor protection laws - in other words, had middle and working class white people put voting for their economic interests above upholding their racist beliefs - the overall standard of living here would be more on par with Canada and western Europe instead of heading ever-closer to third-world levels.

This is absolutely true... but unless and until poor/middle-class white folks start seeing their interests as aligned with ours, we have to work within the system as it is currently set-up; which means Conchita, Jose, Azeez, and Olabisi are going to have to go somewhere else for a while!
 

nyeredzi

Well-Known Member
This is absolute nonsense. The United States easily has the resources for everyone currently here, and likely another few dozen millions, to live decently. The problem is that the United States has reverted to a Gilded Age mentality, in which a very few robber barons are hoarding the overwhelming majority of resources, while the mass population is tricked into fighting each other over crumbs. Anti-immigrant sentiment and legislation (along with tightening of Jim Crow laws) accompanied the previous Gilded Age, and what are seeing today is a repeat of history with different groups as the current scapegoats. Had the general population not gone along with the destruction of unions and labor protection laws - in other words, had middle and working class white people put voting for their economic interests above upholding their racist beliefs - the overall standard of living here would be more on par with Canada and western Europe instead of heading ever-closer to third-world levels.
you deliberately cut off the first clause of the sentence you quoted, and ignored what i said in the first sentence of my second paragraph, to build a straw man argument.
 

Dellas

Well-Known Member
This is what whites think. The jobs will return if I get rid of the competition. The factory closed. If the boss likes a certain amount of profit then getting rid of the competition doesn't do anything. They will turn to robots, move the business, or shut down.

The problem is not black or brown it is greed and lack of enforcement of the laws.
 

Dellas

Well-Known Member
I understand blacks frustration.
The problem is that other immigrants stick together and work together. Due to slavery that type of coordination is long gone. Read the article the immigrant advantage. All groups will be on top of AA without reparations and declaring us as a special status like the military.
 

yamilee21

Well-Known Member
you deliberately cut off the first clause of the sentence you quoted, and ignored what i said in the first sentence of my second paragraph, to build a straw man argument.
The notion of limited resources is what is at the heart of the original article, as well as the anti-immigrant statements in this and in every other thread that mentions immigration. Although you are aware of the many other factors that have led to the current situation, far too many people - who are now scapegoating immigrants - unfortunately are not. I'm not arguing with you; I just wish people would think more about the larger reality instead of playing into white supremacists' hands.
 

HappilyLiberal

Well-Known Member
The notion of limited resources is what is at the heart of the original article, as well as the anti-immigrant statements in this and in every other thread that mentions immigration. Although you are aware of the many other factors that have led to the current situation, far too many people - who are now scapegoating immigrants - unfortunately are not. I'm not arguing with you; I just wish people would think more about the larger reality instead of playing into white supremacists' hands.


The problem is that unless and until we gain the power to affect change, we have to play the hand that's dealt.. and the hand that's dealt does not leave us with much room to embrace competitors who really have no desire to align themselves with us!
 

RossBoss

Well-Known Member
I understand blacks frustration.
The problem is that other immigrants stick together and work together. Due to slavery that type of coordination is long gone. Read the article the immigrant advantage. All groups will be on top of AA without reparations and declaring us as a special status like the military.

Reparations will just go back into the hands of whites and other nonblacks. The problem with the Black American community is that we stopped sticking together the way we did when integration forced us to. No amount of reparations can fix our problems if we don't stick together like we did when we were forced to.. And by stick together, I mean make the dollars circulate many times more within our communities than it does now.
 

dyh080

Well-Known Member
I understand blacks frustration.
The problem is that other immigrants stick together and work together. Due to slavery that type of coordination is long gone. Read the article the immigrant advantage. All groups will be on top of AA without reparations and declaring us as a special status like the military.
There is a reason other immigrants can stick together....they have a country in common. Blacks have, at most , a continent in common. BIG difference.

What made me notice this is my close friend who is Korean. ( By the way I have been in many Korean functions where they have the same "we need to stick together cry" and they DID NOT mean with other Asians).

Let me add : All Asians do not stick together just like all Europeans do not. Ever heard of sections of cities known as "little Italy" "China town" or "little Cuba"......all countries?

But of course there may be some exceptions.

Show me where Japanese stick together with Indians.
 
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naturalgyrl5199

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So they were not on any POC unity bs? ONLY Hispanics, right? Meanwhile listen to worthless pieces of doggie doo like Maxine Waters, the clowns at the CBC and the NAACP and Nobama and any speech they give is always about "black and brown", "blacks and immigrants", while Julio and Maria are doing the exact opposite.
WELL DANG!
But no for real I think blacks in positions of power are scared to really make statements inclusive of blacks Only. Maxine Waters has already had her life threatened by a public official and nobody said a THING. Cause no one wants to really call a spade a spade for fear of a race war. No one wants to be a Pariah or the next MLK Jr. Even though the urgency is just as serious as the CRM.....This man openly hunted a black girl and no one wants to call it a hate crime. He don't even care. I think he was trying to earn his red shoelaces. Even leaders are scared. They want to always put on an inclusive front.
 

Laela

Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
:lachen:!


Um, no... your ancestors were brought here on the slave ships, you are definitely African American! There are no indigenous black people on these shores. My issue is with these Johnny come within the last 25-30-40 years (which is when those Hispanics starting coming in larger numbers) who are looking down on us!
 

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
This is absolute nonsense. The United States easily has the resources for everyone currently here, and likely another few dozen millions, to live decently. The problem is that the United States has reverted to a Gilded Age mentality, in which a very few robber barons are hoarding the overwhelming majority of resources, while the mass population is tricked into fighting each other over crumbs. Anti-immigrant sentiment and legislation (along with tightening of Jim Crow laws) accompanied the previous Gilded Age, and what are seeing today is a repeat of history with different groups as the current scapegoats. Had the general population not gone along with the destruction of unions and labor protection laws - in other words, had middle and working class white people put voting for their economic interests above upholding their racist beliefs - the overall standard of living here would be more on par with Canada and western Europe instead of heading ever-closer to third-world levels.
Word.
 

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
Good for them. The factory and construction jobs should start going back to black workers, especially.

I understand that once the fruit- and veggies-picking jobs leave Mexican hands that I will have to start paying significantly more for produce. I selfishly hope that’s the last industry to go :look:.... I’m ashamed :oops:.
I would also need to get over strongly disliking the optics of black people in the fields picking stuff too.
Yeah, let that be the last industry we take back.

To be fair...these are the legit jobs Mexicans take that blacks tend to not take. Talk about a generational TRIGGER. So when that Mexican President said what he said....I was like "where's the lie?"
Some blacks got aggy (prolly the ones fighting in Chicago for factory jobs), but at the time I was thinking...we can't have it both ways....w/ respect to fruit picking....
 

dyh080

Well-Known Member
To be fair...these are the legit jobs Mexicans take that blacks tend to not take. Talk about a generational TRIGGER. So when that Mexican President said what he said....I was like "where's the lie?"
Some blacks got aggy (prolly the ones fighting in Chicago for factory jobs), but at the time I was thinking...we can't have it both ways....w/ respect to fruit picking....


Before the large influx of illegal immigrants there were legal migrant workers and yes, some Black people, who worked in fields. I'm going back a few decades. I remember some Black folks did it temporarily for example, this time of year for school clothes for their children. Some, of course, lived on the farm and the father worked there full time.

Otherwise, the other jobs were performed by teenagers or college students, such as dishwashing, pizza delivery, etc.

But, in the end, who is willing to work full time, under the table, no benefits at low pay other than an illegal immigrant? That's called exploitation.
 

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
Before the large influx of illegal immigrants there were legal migrant workers and yes, some Black people, who worked in fields. I'm going back a few decades. I remember some Black folks did it temporarily for example, this time of year for school clothes for their children. Some, of course, lived on the farm and the father worked there full time.

Otherwise, the other jobs were performed by teenagers or college students, such as dishwashing, pizza delivery, etc.

But, in the end, who is willing to work full time, under the table, no benefits at low pay other than an illegal immigrant? That's called exploitation.
My husband was born and raised in the Florida Orange groves. He gave me the rundown. His dad said it was always blacks before the 60's. My coach in South Florida where I was raised said black kids attended school 1/2 day and picked cotton or fruit or whatever with their parents the rest of the day in the 50's. He said now (mid 90's) blacks wouldn't dare.

The growers don't want the black folk anyway cause after the CRM they would not let themselves be exploited.
 

RossBoss

Well-Known Member
WELL DANG!
But no for real I think blacks in positions of power are scared to really make statements inclusive of blacks Only. Maxine Waters has already had her life threatened by a public official and nobody said a THING. Cause no one wants to really call a spade a spade for fear of a race war. No one wants to be a Pariah or the next MLK Jr. Even though the urgency is just as serious as the CRM.....This man openly hunted a black girl and no one wants to call it a hate crime. He don't even care. I think he was trying to earn his red shoelaces. Even leaders are scared. They want to always put on an inclusive front.

@ the bolded, then they're useless. If politicians are so scared then they are of no use. Other nonwhite politicians have no problem centering the political discussion on their group so if Black politicians refuse to do the same then they are worthless.
 

RossBoss

Well-Known Member
Before the large influx of illegal immigrants there were legal migrant workers and yes, some Black people, who worked in fields. I'm going back a few decades. I remember some Black folks did it temporarily for example, this time of year for school clothes for their children. Some, of course, lived on the farm and the father worked there full time.

Otherwise, the other jobs were performed by teenagers or college students, such as dishwashing, pizza delivery, etc.

But, in the end, who is willing to work full time, under the table, no benefits at low pay other than an illegal immigrant? That's called exploitation.

Same thing my dad told me. These new immigrants just show up and think that the work did itself before we had an open border, but nah, a lot of Blacks and poor whites were doing it.
 

Dellas

Well-Known Member
There is a reason other immigrants can stick together....they have a country in common. Blacks have, at most , a continent in common. BIG difference.

What made me notice this is my close friend who is Korean. ( By the way I have been in many Korean functions where they have the same "we need to stick together cry" and they DID NOT mean with other Asians).

Let me add : All Asians do not stick together just like all Europeans do not. Ever heard of sections of cities known as "little Italy" "China town" or "little Cuba"......all countries?

But of course there may be some exceptions.

Show me where Japanese stick together with Indians.
I agree. There are many reasons blacks don't stick together. Good point.
 

Dellas

Well-Known Member
Reparations will just go back into the hands of whites and other nonblacks. The problem with the Black American community is that we stopped sticking together the way we did when integration forced us to. No amount of reparations can fix our problems if we don't stick together like we did when we were forced to.. And by stick together, I mean make the dollars circulate many times more within our communities than it does now.
True.
 
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