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Another Mass Shooting. This One In El Paso, Tx

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  1. Everything Zen

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    Someone I follow on Twitter (either a historian or law professor) said that we were going through a slow burning civil war. I believe it.
     
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    I also think that we as constituents need to put pressure on our politicians to put white nationalist groups back on the the watch group and give them just as much attention as the Islamic terrorists. These hate groups are preying on vulnerable young men and radicalizing them online same as ISIS.
     
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    Perhaps just perhaps some don’t care because they KNOW as being white protects them from being the target of such hate.
     
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    The House passed the Domestic Terrorism Protection Act which names white supremacy, requires FBI, DOJ and Homeland Security to study it and issue yearly reports, among other things.

    In the Senate, Kamala, Booker, Bernie and seven others running for President were co-sponsors. But of course Mitch McConnell has not allowed a hearing or a vote.

    ETA: I thought this bill had passed the House, it has not. It’s still in committee.
     
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    Not going to happen man. As long as white nationalism is aligned with the GOP, that’s a negative ghost rider.
     
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    Ohio shooter also shot his sister and her BF...they were found dead....looking for more information to see if they were inter racial couple...
     
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    6 out of the 9 victims killed in Ohio were black. :nono:
     
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  11. Everything Zen

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    Even the original owner of 8chan calls the site a terrorist refuge hiding in plain site :swearing:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/04/three-mass-shootings-this-year-began-with-hateful-screed-chan-its-founder-calls-it-terrorist-refuge-plain-sight/?outputType=comment&utm_term=.

    Three mass shootings began with a hateful screed on 8chan. Its founder calls it a terrorist refuge in plain sight.


    Drew Harwell
    August 4 at 11:59 AM

    The El Paso massacre began like the fatal attacks earlier this year at mosques in New Zealand and a San Diego-area synagogue: with a racist manifesto and announcement on the anonymous message board 8chan, one of the Web’s most venomous refuges for extremist hate.

    Like after the shootings in Christchurch and the Chabad of Poway synagogue, the El Paso attack was celebrated on 8chan as well: One of the most active threads early Sunday urged people to create memes and original content, or OC, that could make it easier to distribute and “celebrate the [gunman’s] heroic action.”

    “You know what to do!!! Make OC, Spread OC, Share OC, Inspire OC,” an anonymous poster wrote. “Make the world a better place.”

    Keep ReadinThe message board’s ties to mass violence have fueled worries over how to combat a Web-fueled wave of racist bloodshed. The El Paso shooting also prompted the site’s founder to urge its owners to “do the world a favor and shut it off.”

    “Once again, a terrorist used 8chan to spread his message as he knew people would save it and spread it,” Fredrick Brennan, who founded 8chan in 2013 but stopped working with the site’s owners in December, told The Washington Post. “The board is a receptive audience for domestic terrorists.”

    Understanding 8chan, the self-proclaimed 'darkest reaches of the internet'

    The anonymous message board houses some of the most controversial content online. Here’s a look behind its rise in influence. (Adriana Usero, Melissa Macaya, Deirdra O'Regan/The Washington Post)
    Twenty people were killed at an El Paso shopping center following an attack by a gunman, who police believe posted a jumbled and racist screed to 8chan minutes before the shooting that ranted against a “Hispanic invasion.” The writer claims he was inspired by the Christchurch massacre, which also began with an 8chan post, and he urged viewers to “do your part and spread this brothers!”

    Nine people were killed following a separate attack in Dayton, Ohio, early Sunday morning, hours after the El Paso shooting. It’s unclear if that shooter or attack had any connection to 8chan.

    [Investigators search for answers after gunman kills 20 in El Paso]

    The El Paso shooting, some terrorism experts said, could ratchet up the pressure on federal law enforcement and governmental authorities seeking to combat a site that calls itself “the darkest reaches of the Internet.”

    The site has survived, extremism experts said, in part due to a reluctance from some law-enforcement and intelligence officials to categorize white-supremacist and far-right movements as terrorism threats. The site has for years been shielded by U.S. laws that limit websites’ legal liability for what their users post and has been further protected by an Internet infrastructure that makes it difficult to take sites down.

    Some online researchers also fear that a shutdown of 8chan would only spur hate groups to organize elsewhere. The site’s leaders have appeared emboldened in the face of criticism, adding a message in recent months at the top of its homepage: “Embrace infamy.”

    The site is registered as a property of the Nevada-based company N.T. Technology and owned by Jim Watkins, an American Web entrepreneur living in the Philippines. Asked for comment, Watkins replied with a single sentence: “I hope you are well.”

    Watkins has declined interview requests after every mass shooting. Following the Christchurch massacre, he released a video defending the site as a refuge for free speech online and referring to the shooter as a criminal alien.

    Watkins’s son Ron, who oversees the site, did not respond to requests for comment. He has mocked the idea that 8chan could do more to stop mass violence, tweeting in April: “Deletion within minutes is not enough, apparently.”

    [8chan looks like a terrorist recruiting site after the New Zealand shootings. Should the government treat it like one?]

    After the Poway shooting in April, 8chan’s Twitter account blamed the news media for publicizing the crime and said the suspected shooter’s post was taken down nine minutes after creation. But the board regularly allows posters afterward to promote the shooting, spew hateful comments and cheer on further violence to beat the last attack’s body count, or “high score.”

    The Poway suspect wrote before the attack that he’d been visiting 8chan for “a year and a half, yet what I’ve learned here is priceless. It’s been an honor.”

    Joan Donovan, the director of the Technology and Social Change Research Project at Harvard University’s Shorenstein Center, said posting to 8chan before a mass shooting has become a “tactical” way for attackers to gain attention and amplify their message.

    “Mass shooters can control the public conversation about their motives, while at the same time provide the public with a clear explanation for their actions,” Donovan said.

    She pointed to the pattern that has developed in the Christchurch, Poway and El Paso shootings: “1. Post a racist screed. 2. Carry out racist violence. 3. Inspire others to do the same.” Of the manifestos, she said, they “are becoming more instructive than they are explanatory. This has me very worried that targeted violence will become a meme itself.”

    Shooters post their manifestos to 8chan, Brennan said, because the audience there celebrates racist, anti-Semitic and white-supremacist violence; moderation is nearly nonexistent, and it has a “morbid record of success for maximum spread.”

    Clint Watts, a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and a former FBI counterterrorism expert, said 8chan mirrored the role that other fringe sites play in international terrorism, allowing “one-off extremists to connect and catalyze their operations.”

    The 8chan board, he said, “has become the place where white nationalist extremists and anyone wanting to perpetrate violence can congregate, radicalize, plot attacks and share manifestos,” he said. “The increased interconnection between what would otherwise be lone actors accelerates the pace of attacks and their lethality.”

    The FBI, he added, “needs the legislation and resources to pursue these inspired attacks the way they did international terrorism since 9/11.” He urged the federal government to designate white-nationalist-inspired violence a domestic terrorism threat, which would allow the FBI to more closely assess the calls to violence arising from 8chan and similar sites.

    The FBI said in a statement in March that “individuals often are radicalized by looking at propaganda on social media sites and in some cases may decide to carry out acts of violence” but that the bureau “only investigates matters in which there is a potential threat to national security or a possible violation of federal law.”

    In April, the FBI filed a search warrant of 8chan’s Nevada office seeking information on the Poway suspect’s activity and responses to his post.

    Brennan also provided evidence that the manifesto first posted onto 8chan ahead of the El Paso shooting was real. He said the document’s name included the suspect’s name and that site data shows it was uploaded minutes before the first 911 call. Some “conspiracy theorists and 8chan apologists,” he said, have been pushing the idea that it was a fake. Police have also confirmed the document is real.

    [9 killed in Ohio in second U.S. mass shooting within 24 hours]

    The site, Brennan said, is kept online largely as a vanity project for Watkins and makes very little money, helping shield it from advertiser or public pressure. 8chan does not work with mainstream digital-ad networks but sells ad space directly to companies and solicits donations, which Brennan says probably earn the site about $100 a month.

    The site protects itself from legal threats by removing copyrighted content but allows practically everything else onto the site without limits. Its servers, Brennan said, are distributed around the world, making it more difficult to take down. The site said a year ago that it had nearly 8 million users visit every month.

    Pressure, however, is building on mainstream companies that help keep 8chan online. Cloudflare, a San Francisco-based firm that helps Web companies defend against cyberattacks, has continued to work with 8chan, saying it serves websites regardless of their content.

    The activist group Sleeping Giants tweeted about Cloudflare’s connection early Sunday: “If you’re doing business with a site that helps people spread violent, racist ideologies, you are just as culpable. Full stop.”

    Cloudflare’s general counsel, Douglas Kramer, told The Post on Sunday that the company had no short-term plans to change 8chan’s services, even though it explicitly bans terrorist-propaganda networks.

    In 2017, Cloudflare terminated the account for the neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer after the Charlottesville violence, but Cloudflare chief executive Matthew Prince publicly agonized over the decision afterward, saying it marked a dangerous use of censorship power.

    The company, Kramer said, is involved in discussions at the government level over how to police or regulate similar sites. But he said he worried that dropping the shield on 8chan would be tantamount to encouraging “cyber-vigilantism.”

    “Inserting ourselves as the judge and jury on these things is very problematic,” he said. “It’s easy for folks to approach us with one website, but for us, we need to come up with a rule that we can apply to over 20 million different web properties.”
     
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    What??
     
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    They're lighting him up on twitter.
     
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    Ahhh, so he one a dem n*****
     
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    How many of the suicides used a gun? If they didn’t have access to a gun they may still be alive. There are too many guns in this country - PERIOD.
     
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    This is such a disappointment coming from him. I expected more from him, not even sure why now. Going by his logic the body total on 911 was just a week’s worth of medical errors. Has he forgotten the point of terrorism is to inspire terror. In that regard these latest attacks have achieved what they say out to do. SMDH
     
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    One of the 9 victims in Ohio was a family member's son. It's so crazy to see their name in all these articles. Never would think a mass shooting would hit so very close to home.
     
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    I'm so sorry to hear that. :(
     
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    His point is probably exactly that, though. That you shouldn't let these attacks throw off your life because they are still a comparatively rare thing. I understand what he's saying, but it's not what people want to hear right now. Some deaths hit harder than others, for all kinds of reasons. And you're not going to get past people's natural responses with dispassioned calculations. A straight numbers to numbers comparison misses that.
     
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    I am not here for y/t male fragility. I cannot begin to understand how I live in a country where this type of violence happens every single day. Each occurence leaves me more numb than the last...I'm truly out of f's to give. WE the people are powerless against this type of evil. We just living in it.
     
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    This is essentially one of the first responses I saw on Twitter. Someone told him to “read the room bro.”
     
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    Thank you very much.
     
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    I can't even imagine.:nono: So very sorry for your family's loss.
     
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    I understand also but this is not an appropriate time to post such thoughts when emotions are raw.
     
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    I am so very sorry for the loss of your loved one in this fashion. Please let us know if you need anything.
     
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    So the Czar is going to try to hold the country hostage. Gun control can be passed but only if we accept his idea of immigration reform.
     
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