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Black American and Asian American relations

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Let's get the white elephant in the room out of the way. This massage parlor probably specialized in massaging penii along with anything else put in front of them. I'm going to invoke the devil by name who is responsible. Trump put a target on Asians and the onslaught of violence they have been experiencing is a direct result. It's not like white people haven't been waiting on a reason but leave it to a NY dude to come through with a nationwide validation card to fornicate with people on GP. That said, I'm not out here whuppin on Asians and quite frankly, I don't know what I can do to stop other people from doing it that they aren't already on top of.

Sometimes support is just not being a butthole to people.
 

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
Look at this nonsense. The headline is “How Black People Can be Strong Allies to Asian Americans Right Now.”


Thousands of hate incidents against Asian people across the country have been documented by advocacy groups in the last year, ranging in severity from spitting to the unprovoked push of an 84-year-old Thai American man in San Francisco who died of his injuries a few days later. These incidents have prompted the renewal of conversations about security in Asian American neighborhoods, privilege, solidarity and even anti-Blackness in response to the violence.

That last element, activists say, devalues the decades of coalition building and allyship between Asian American and Black communities. But Russell Jeung, a professor of Asian American studies at San Francisco State University and co-founder of Stop AAPI Hate, notes that efforts to create a racial wedge between such groups only empowers the white supremacy that makes racist violence possible.


The racism overall against Asian Americans is another form of white supremacy. As Asian Americans dismantle the racism directed toward us as outsiders, we’re partnering with African Americans in dismantling how they’re racialized and oppressed,” Jeung said. “In a lot of Asian American issues, we become the wedge group to divide and conquer people of color rather than focusing on our unity and trying to dismantle the overall system. We need to dismantle white supremacy together.”

This is not lost on organizers and activists who have worked to combat this narrative for decades. With that, here are a few ways for Black people to practice solidarity and allyship with Asian American communities.


Education Is Key


It’s important to recognize how acts of hate rely on a group’s history of neglect, oppression or violence, organizers said. Through education it becomes easier to recognize bigotry as linked to a larger history of violence, said Alvina Wong, of the Asian Pacific Environmental Network.

Education is also key to resisting the “model minority” myth, and cuts down on the idea that Asian American communities are monolithic, experts point out. There are a host of disparities within these communities. For instance, Vietnamese Americans have a much higher poverty rate than Japanese Americans, according to a 2017 report.

Try to learn history and learn about Asian American histories and cultures, the migration patterns of immigrants and refugees, and why we have an Asian population in the U.S. to begin with,” Wong said. “From there, look at the history of Asian and Black solidarity and joint struggle … the civil rights era and even the early joint labor movements. I think people could do their due diligence to seeking it out and learning it up.”

Mutual Aid


Mutual aid is a centuries-old radical political practice that emphasizes solidarity and interdependence to meet people’s basic needs. Mutual aid happens when everyday people come together to meet one another’s needs, like providing food and domestic violence resources, without relying on government power structures.

“Mutual aid is really beautiful in that it really recognizes that if I have something I can give, someone who needs it can benefit and we can all be in community together,” Wong said. “Last year, through the pandemic was a really big showing of how mutual aid is so effective, especially when our government isn’t taking care of us or investing in us and the resources that we need.”

Several mutual aid efforts have popped up across the country in response to anti-Asian sentiment and Covid-19’s devastating impact on Asian American communities. In Oakland, California, hundreds of people have volunteered to escort fearful elders on walks and errands around Chinatown. Asian and Black creatives have raised more than $150,000 for Asian American advocacy groups in California that serve several Asian American communities through everything from food delivery to legal help. In New York, a coalition of activists have filled refrigerators with food in Manhattan’s Chinatown.
We could have used Mutual Aid for years. Where these people been the last few years?

They want our help now don't they?
 

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
Let's get the white elephant in the room out of the way. This massage parlor probably specialized in massaging penii along with anything else put in front of them. I'm going to invoke the devil by name who is responsible. Trump put a target on Asians and the onslaught of violence they have been experiencing is a direct result. It's not like white people haven't been waiting on a reason but leave it to a NY dude to come through with a nationwide validation card to fornicate with people on GP. That said, I'm not out here whuppin on Asians and quite frankly, I don't know what I can do to stop other people from doing it that they aren't already on top of.

Sometimes support is just not being a butthole to people.
What is GP? I hear that a lot.

Oh and all of what you said.
 

Kanky

Well-Known Member
Let's get the white elephant in the room out of the way. This massage parlor probably specialized in massaging penii along with anything else put in front of them. I'm going to invoke the devil by name who is responsible. Trump put a target on Asians and the onslaught of violence they have been experiencing is a direct result. It's not like white people haven't been waiting on a reason but leave it to a NY dude to come through with a nationwide validation card to fornicate with people on GP. That said, I'm not out here whuppin on Asians and quite frankly, I don't know what I can do to stop other people from doing it that they aren't already on top of.

Sometimes support is just not being a butthole to people.
Yep. And even though Trump did that a lot of them voted for him. They need to gather their people and leave black folks alone. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-...s-still-voting-trump-spite-his-china-n1244849
 

ScorpioBeauty09

Well-Known Member
We could have used Mutual Aid for years. Where these people been the last few years?

They want our help now don't they?
Some feel entitled to it.

Look personally, I think that POCs should work together in solidarity and I appreciate Asians who have shown solidarity to AAs. I'm in the Bay Area where and there's a lot of it here. And I understand the complex history of Black people and Asians being intentionally pitted against each other in the name of white supremacy. But there's a complex history here. I won't criticize black people who decide to sit this out.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Yep. And even though Trump did that a lot of them voted for him. They need to gather their people and leave black folks alone. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-...s-still-voting-trump-spite-his-china-n1244849
What I edited out of my previous post was that well after Trump was on tv calling Covid "Kung Flu", I was talking to an Asian woman colleague (her family is from SIngapore) who may not have voted for Trump but is a registered republican who consistently "but Democrats do xyz too" whenever I would go on rants about Trump. Ain't nan Democrat stood up in front of the nation and blamed China or Asians for the pandemic and definitely didn't come up with a new slur for them that they would repeat while grinning into a camera but look at what letting Trump slide got people that look like her.
 

Black Ambrosia

Well-Known Member
Methinks this "spa" was a whorehouse.

And the more I think about it, the more I realize they were the easiest of pickings esp if the women were being trafficked :/
Places like this are a dime a dozen in Atlanta. I remember going into one by mistake years ago. I think it was next to a take out place and I walked in the wrong door. Those women looked at me like I had two heads. I got the message loud and clear.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
One thing to take note of is that even if it turns out that the women who were killed were sex workers or said another way, "hoes", I strongly suspect that the Asians who speak publicly are going to treat their memory as if they were all pure as the driven snow. I doubt there is going to be talks of only certain kinds of women deserving protection.

But

Lettuce W8 & Sea
 

Black Ambrosia

Well-Known Member
One thing to take note of is that even if it turns out that the women who were killed were sex workers or said another way, "hoes", I strongly suspect that the Asians who speak publicly are going to treat their memory as if they were all pure as the driven snow. I doubt there is going to be talks of only certain kinds of women deserving protection.

But

Lettuce W8 & Sea
When I pointed out upthread that no one is calling it prostitution I wasn’t implying they deserved to be mistreated. In my mind it’s relevant info when discussing a man who admitted to killing because of a sex addiction. I bet there were signs he was unhinged but it’s not being discussed because we’re supposed to believe these are real spas.
 

nyeredzi

Well-Known Member
^ I saw it basically suggested on the news from his own words. He said he frequented those places and wanted to kill the people there to spare him from temptation, or some crazy person talk like that.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
When I pointed out upthread that no one is calling it prostitution I wasn’t implying they deserved to be mistreated. In my mind it’s relevant info when discussing a man who admitted to killing because of a sex addiction. I bet there were signs he was unhinged but it’s not being discussed because we’re supposed to believe these are real spas.
I wasn't referencing what you wrote. I was talking to a friend earlier about how what the black community response to 6 black "masseuses" getting shot on the job by any race of man would look like. I strongly suspect there would be jokes.
 

Kanky

Well-Known Member
These women seem too old to be sex workers.


The Atlanta Police Department Friday released the names of the four women killed in Atlanta during a string of shootings at massage parlors.

They are:

  • Soon C. Park, a 74-year-old Asian woman, who died of a gunshot wound to the head.
  • Hyun J. Grant, a 51 year old Asian woman, who died of a gunshot wound to the head
  • Suncha Kim, a 69-year-old Asian woman, who died of a gunshot wound to the chest
  • Yong A. Yue, 63-year-old Asian woman, who died of a gunshot wound to the head
Earlier this week, officials in Cherokee Countyidentified the four people killed there: Delaina Yaun, 33, of Acworth; Paul Andre Michels, 54, of Atlanta; Xiaojie Tan, 49, of Kennesaw; and Daoyou Feng, 44. One man, Elcias Hernandez-Ortiz, survived.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
These women seem too old to be sex workers.


The Atlanta Police Department Friday released the names of the four women killed in Atlanta during a string of shootings at massage parlors.

They are:

  • Soon C. Park, a 74-year-old Asian woman, who died of a gunshot wound to the head.
  • Hyun J. Grant, a 51 year old Asian woman, who died of a gunshot wound to the head
  • Suncha Kim, a 69-year-old Asian woman, who died of a gunshot wound to the chest
  • Yong A. Yue, 63-year-old Asian woman, who died of a gunshot wound to the head
Earlier this week, officials in Cherokee Countyidentified the four people killed there: Delaina Yaun, 33, of Acworth; Paul Andre Michels, 54, of Atlanta; Xiaojie Tan, 49, of Kennesaw; and Daoyou Feng, 44. One man, Elcias Hernandez-Ortiz, survived.
Well tickle my toes and call me Susan. I did NOT see that coming.

I'm starting to think this thing about killing old Asians is ritualistic. Old Asians represent something that white people want gone and I'm not exactly sure what.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
 

yamilee21

Well-Known Member
These women seem too old to be sex workers. ...
Maybe, but I would not rule it out. We had a death under murky circumstances in one of the NY Chinatowns, and the sex workers involved were not young. I’ve been trying to find that story since this one happened.

ETA: The case in the NY story was only 38, but...
... And here, beside the upturned fruit crates and the overloaded garbage bags, stand the women of the massage parlors. In their 40s and 50s, mostly, they check their cellphones, drag on untaxed Korean cigarettes bought in bulk, and chat, but with eyes scanning for unattached men lacking a law-enforcement vibe. ...

One woman often positions herself near a standpipe at the corner of Main Street, so as to be the first to approach any man venturing west. She is in her 60s, small-framed and usually dressed in layers, with long hair dyed black. She said in a raspy voice that she was from the southeastern Chinese province of Jiangxi, and that she was trying to pay off a debt incurred by her adult son in a business deal gone wrong.

She had visited two job agencies on 40th Road, looking for work as a nanny, but nothing panned out. And now she was here, on the corner, where her half-joking refrain — “I’m too old” — did not seem to deter clients. ...
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...rs-massage-parlor.html?searchResultPosition=9

Relating to an earlier post, several reports on the public radio station today have alluded to “other groups” coming out in solidarity to support the Asian community, and it is really bothering me, because everybody knows they aren’t talking about wypipo or even Latinos. What makes anyone entitled to our support, when on the whole, other groups do not support us?

It is a horrific crime, but the problem is a society that coddles mass-murdering white men and allows them unfettered access to guns. Keep the focus on the crime, period.
 
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Rocky91

NYE side boob.
I want to make a distinction between the personal and the political. I’ve reached out to Asian female colleague because we have developed a rapport that is partially predicated on bonding through our status as non-White women in a profession that is heavily WW. I felt compelled to do that because she would absolutely do the same for me.

But do I believe that Black institutions and organizations should be bending over backwards to express solidarity that has not been reciprocated? Nope. But would I say this in the public square, inadvertently putting me in alignment with some Black male hoteps that don’t give a damn about Black women and girls? Also nope.
 

Rocky91

NYE side boob.
Another musing that I have: Intersectionality is being very efficiently employed here in public discourse, and I think that’s great. This is indeed a sex-and-race based hate crime.

Employing the same logic for Black women always seems to fail and get derailed, with the irony being that we literally invented the concept of intersectionality. I personally made a call to the NYPD hate crimes division after that Black woman got her face bitten in Harlem and they could not conceive that it was a hate crime, because it was a group of Black males. They said that verbatim even after I explained that hate crimes are also sex-based by legal statue. I was so irritated but gave up the venture after the victim decided to post about BM being kings. If those are still her kings, lemme save my daytime minutes and WiFi chile.
 

FelaShrine

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But do I believe that Black institutions and organizations should be bending over backwards to express solidarity that has not been reciprocated? Nope. But would I say this in the public square, inadvertently putting me in alignment with some Black male hoteps that don’t give a damn about Black women and girls? Also nope.

But we aren't doing it in publicly, we are doing it on a paid female forum with predominately BW. Not sure why BM or whatever is constantly being brought up for this current situation.

Im rarely on here anymore aside from the makeup forum so maybe I missed something, has this place become the E Coli? Is there an influx of BM on here that I missed because I dont get what nonsense reaction of theirs or what they would do or think has to do with black people in general not being social justice mules for other races.
 

Rocky91

NYE side boob.
But we aren't doing it in publicly, we are doing it on a paid female forum with predominately BW. Not sure why BM or whatever is constantly being brought up for this current situation.

Im rarely on here anymore aside from the makeup forum so maybe I missed something, has this place become the E Coli? Is there an influx of BM on here that I missed because I dont get what nonsense reaction of theirs or what they would do or think has to do with black people in general not being social justice mules for other races.
I’m not counting this as the public square at all, just working my way through my own thoughts. It’s not a rebuke or critique of anyone else that feels differently and expresses that.

Lol there’s no secret cabal of BM on this board now, probably might never be. I do think that a few pages ago demonstrated why they’d inevitably come up in these discussions, when I argued that BW in public might consider just laying low. Too lazy to rehash now.
 

FelaShrine

Well-Known Member
I get your 2nd point, but seeing what Ive been seeing is not them being brought up but BW like Breonna and especially Latasha since this week was the anniversary of her murder, people want to know why they should shoulder this burden when their community didn't denounce what happened at that time.
 
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