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SpiritJunkie

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I am actually more concerned about the trend I am seeing using the Black LGBTQ community to overshadow the BLM movement. I feel it is a sneaky strategy by the white LGBTQ s to advance their agenda that at its heart could care less about BLM and are just as racist as those the BLM is fighting against.
We should be...i noticed it creeping in into our policy. The word being used is "marginalized women" this term includes 'all' women.trans..LGBTQ .etc etc..
 

UmSumayyah

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We should be...i noticed it creeping in into our policy. The word being used is "marginalized women" this term includes 'all' women.trans..LGBTQ .etc etc..
BLM wants to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplifts especially trans black women. It's on their official website.

I don't think it's fair to say the movement is being co-opted. This is a huge part of how they define themselves, and what anyone who supports them is agreeing to.
 

Reinventing21

Spreading my wings
Imma need the gay and trans contingent of Black folks to fall back and sit in our collective Blackness while we work out this police brutality and racism situations. Like seriously wait your turn!! I promise you gone benefit off the gains of the collective. We can diversify after we secure these basic demands for our humanity.


^^^This.
 

Reinventing21

Spreading my wings
I understand the need to jump in to add in the extra layer, BUT honestly, whites are jumping at the opportunity to switch the focus from BLM to LGBTQ and Black LGBTQ are falling for it and making it so easy for whites to strip the full power of BLM before it csn take effect, just handing whites a way to escape BLM.


People's memory is so short! How many times have Blacks started civil change only for everyone but Blacks to truly benefit from it?

IMO Black LGBTQ need to focus on race first, let the momentum for BLM get fully established with clear goals for societal change for Black people first. Race is what people notice first before sexuality.

I am not saying to leave them out or allow them to continue to be discriminated against for their sexuality.

I AM saying/warning against making the Black LGBTQ the face of the BLM Movement when it is just now getting off the ground.

BLM---> Black LGBTQ ---->LGBTQ---> white LGBTQ---> What BLM Movement?

See how that trend works?
 

kikigirl

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I understand the need to jump in to add in the extra layer, BUT honestly, whites are jumping at the opportunity to switch the focus from BLM to LGBTQ and Black LGBTQ are falling for it and making it so easy for whites to strip the full power of BLM before it csn take effect, just handing whites a way to escape BLM.


People's memory is so short! How many times have Blacks started civil change only for everyone but Blacks to truly benefit from it?

IMO Black LGBTQ need to focus on race first, let the momentum for BLM get fully established with clear goals for societal change for Black people first. Race is what people notice first before sexuality.

I am not saying to leave them out or allow them to continue to be discriminated against for their sexuality.

I AM saying/warning against making the Black LGBTQ the face of the BLM Movement when it is just now getting off the ground.

BLM---> Black LGBTQ ---->LGBTQ---> white LGBTQ---> What BLM Movement?

See how that trend works?

skip steps two and three. Last week a white gay colleague shone his teeth to share “his thoughts about Defunding the Police.” Management fast-tracked it, and senior LGBTQ management sent emails to encourage everyone to join the virtual presentation, which was to be followed by smaller group chats. Shockingly, they didn’t contact any of the 3 Black colleagues working there.

So yes, a white cisgender gay man can silence Black voices on Black topics and it gets upper approval.
 

UmSumayyah

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I understand the need to jump in to add in the extra layer, BUT honestly, whites are jumping at the opportunity to switch the focus from BLM to LGBTQ and Black LGBTQ are falling for it and making it so easy for whites to strip the full power of BLM before it csn take effect, just handing whites a way to escape BLM.


People's memory is so short! How many times have Blacks started civil change only for everyone but Blacks to truly benefit from it?

IMO Black LGBTQ need to focus on race first, let the momentum for BLM get fully established with clear goals for societal change for Black people first. Race is what people notice first before sexuality.

I am not saying to leave them out or allow them to continue to be discriminated against for their sexuality.

I AM saying/warning against making the Black LGBTQ the face of the BLM Movement when it is just now getting off the ground.

BLM---> Black LGBTQ ---->LGBTQ---> white LGBTQ---> What BLM Movement?

See how that trend works?
Contact BLM. Trans ness is important to them.
 

UmSumayyah

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I understand the need to jump in to add in the extra layer, BUT honestly, whites are jumping at the opportunity to switch the focus from BLM to LGBTQ and Black LGBTQ are falling for it and making it so easy for whites to strip the full power of BLM before it csn take effect, just handing whites a way to escape BLM.


People's memory is so short! How many times have Blacks started civil change only for everyone but Blacks to truly benefit from it?

IMO Black LGBTQ need to focus on race first, let the momentum for BLM get fully established with clear goals for societal change for Black people first. Race is what people notice first before sexuality.

I am not saying to leave them out or allow them to continue to be discriminated against for their sexuality.

I AM saying/warning against making the Black LGBTQ the face of the BLM Movement when it is just now getting off the ground.

BLM---> Black LGBTQ ---->LGBTQ---> white LGBTQ---> What BLM Movement?

See how that trend works?
I thought that the founders (or two of them) are lesbians.
 

Kanky

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I am actually more concerned about the trend I am seeing using the Black LGBTQ community to overshadow the BLM movement. I feel it is a sneaky strategy by the white LGBTQ s to advance their agenda that at its heart could care less about BLM and are just as racist as those the BLM is fighting against.
The LGBT movement has piggybacked on the work of black people and the Civil Rights Movement from the beginning. I initially said that it didn’t benefit black people to have their image tied to that of another even less popular minority. But the LGBT mafia gets things done and they’ve become popular. They have much better PR than black folks. If they can manage to get police reform handled then let them. They want reparations for gay people, and that will be hard politically without also doing reparations for black people.
 

kikigirl

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The LGBT movement has piggybacked on the work of black people and the Civil Rights Movement from the beginning. I initially said that it didn’t benefit black people to have their image tied to that of another even less popular minority. But the LGBT mafia gets things done and they’ve become popular. They have much better PR than black folks. If they can manage to get police reform handled then let them. They want reparations for gay people, and that will be hard politically without also doing reparations for black people.

Problem is, they can’t speak FOR us because they don’t really care.

As usual whiteness will take care of itself, leaving Black folks in the dust.
 

Reinventing21

Spreading my wings
Sigh. This is tricky, but I don't see why these two movements can't co exist as in create TWO movements: Black Lives Matter and BLACK LGBTQ Rights so that the focus on Black is not lost and so easily co opted by white gay activists and especially by racist gay whites.

Both Black groups can publically support each other while simulataneously stating the specific goals for each group, thereby letting everyone know that these are TWO BLACK forces to be reckoned with that will not be overtaken and appropriated as in the past.
 

UmSumayyah

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Sigh. This is tricky, but I don't see why these two movements can't co exist as in create TWO movements: Black Lives Matter and BLACK LGBTQ Rights so that the focus on Black is not lost and so easily co opted by white gay activists and especially by racist gay whites.

Both Black groups can publically support each other while simulataneously stating the specific goals for each group, thereby letting everyone know that these are TWO BLACK forces to be reckoned with that will not be overtaken and appropriated as in the past.
Could be but that is not how BLM is set up. It specifically constructs itself as opposing a cisgender norm and emphasizing mtf trans.

In this way, black organizations seem to be unique.

Go to the NAACP page and see that they are not focused only on black people.

Go to the Urban League and see the same.

Then go to any other racial/ethnic group's page and see how they center themselves, period.

Can't be irritated by people appropriating your movement or harnessing your energy for their own ends when you insist on designing yourself to be used.
 

kikigirl

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Could be but that is not how BLM is set up. It specifically constructs itself as opposing a cisgender norm and emphasizing mtf trans.

In this way, black organizations seem to be unique.

Go to the NAACP page and see that they are not focused only on black people.

Go to the Urban League and see the same.

Then go to any other racial/ethnic group's page and see how they center themselves, period.

Can't be irritated by people appropriating your movement or harnessing your energy for their own ends when you insist on designing yourself to be used.
It’s as if it’s taboo or too daring to only focus on Black matters or people in any discussion. Maybe we think we won’t have enough appeal, support or leverage. But then it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 

UmSumayyah

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It’s as if it’s taboo or too daring to only focus on Black matters or people in any discussion. Maybe we think we won’t have enough appeal, support or leverage. But then it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
La Raza (I can never remember what they are called now), and these other groups have been boldly for themselves since day one and they don't have our numbers (until recently in the case of Latinos) nor our key role in shaping the history and culture of America. So when did this lack of focus start, who is responsible and will a significant percentage of AA (or Black Americans generally) demand that these organizations narrow their focus? Working for everyone while others work only for themselves is a recipe for the continuous delivery of Ls.
 

Layluh

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La Raza (I can never remember what they are called now), and these other groups have been boldly for themselves since day one and they don't have our numbers (until recently in the case of Latinos) nor our key role in shaping the history and culture of America. So when did this lack of focus start, who is responsible and will a significant percentage of AA (or Black Americans generally) demand that these organizations narrow their focus? Working for everyone while others work only for themselves is a recipe for the continuous delivery of Ls.
Speaking of that...I read yesterday on a reddit discussion board that ALL LIVES MATTER was actually coined by hispanics but ended up being co-opted by white supremacists. Which I found verrry interesting. Apparently, it's because they felt they were being ignored in favor of us. But I'm like fool, whatever we do is going to automatically benefit yall cause they lump us together anyway.

But I couldn't find anything stating that what that person said is actually true. But I don't doubt it, seeing as they are extremely racist.
 

SpiritJunkie

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Speaking of that...I read yesterday on a reddit discussion board that ALL LIVES MATTER was actually coined by hispanics but ended up being co-opted by white supremacists. Which I found verrry interesting. Apparently, it's because they felt they were being ignored in favor of us. But I'm like fool, whatever we do is going to automatically benefit yall cause they lump us together anyway.

But I couldn't find anything stating that what that person said is actually true. But I don't doubt it, seeing as they are extremely racist.
My workplace is getting dragged on social media like most companies that have wronged black folks In the not so distant past. We’re having internal discussions on how to move forward & one of my Latina staff stated that they are getting left out... welp! Even my white president brushed her off.. this is about black people Young lady .. but at the same time pushing all women agenda...Let’s see how this all pans out
 

Layluh

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My workplace is getting dragged on social media like most companies that have wronged black folks In the not so distant past. We’re having internal discussions on how to move forward & one of my Latina staff stated that they are getting left out... welp! Even my white president brushed her off.. this is about black people Young lady .. but at the same time pushing all women agenda...Let’s see how this all pans out

Saw this come across my feed. They need to get they own ish.m.jpg
 

Kanky

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DH keeps slipping with this issue of gun ownership. Gotta get our own license STAT.

You should hurry. Gun sales are at record high since the pandemic shutdown and riots started.

Keep in mind that the police will be “defunded” whether or not BLM is successful. There will be budget cuts across the board because of what this pandemic shutdown has done to the economy. Crime rates will rise, as they always do when there is increased poverty.
 

kikigirl

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You should hurry. Gun sales are at record high since the pandemic shutdown and riots started.

Keep in mind that the police will be “defunded” whether or not BLM is successful. There will be budget cuts across the board because of what this pandemic shutdown has done to the economy. Crime rates will rise, as they always do when there is increased poverty.

DH just made appointments to the dealer. The lines are loooong there too.

In the meantime, we’ll study for and take this handgun safety certificate.
 

SoopremeBeing

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My workplace is getting dragged on social media like most companies that have wronged black folks In the not so distant past. We’re having internal discussions on how to move forward & one of my Latina staff stated that they are getting left out... welp! Even my white president brushed her off.. this is about black people Young lady .. but at the same time pushing all women agenda...Let’s see how this all pans out

They have yet to understand that they need to do exactly what Black folks did and start a movement, organize a protest or something. Complaining about it on social media, about how much no one is marching for So-and-so...well where are your Latino/Hispanic leaders? Why arent they asking THEM?
 
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