Black Woman Attacked And Arrested By Sexual Predator Police At Waffle House

[naturalgyrl5199]

I had never heard of Waffle House until this board. Sounding as country as it can be.

It is.
There are at least 100 in Atlanta-METRO alone. There is one on every exit in GA, FL, MS, AL, SC, NC.....This is a HUGE outrage for Southern Blacks because its one of the few places that's open as late as it is....and is a hangout for people of all colors (but mostly blacks) after late night events. The young lady looked like she was dressed for a night out at the club or concert. I live in a college town and its always flooded with young people after 8-9 PM. You can also call your order ahead and pay less than $15.00 for a full breakfast to go. Its a "diner-style" look, some look kind of run down but the franchises have been doing EXTREMELY well off the backs of blacks. We love some cheese grits, eggs, waffles, sausage, bacon, toast, OJ, hash browns to go for cheap. And its usually pretty good.

OAN...there was an MSN article saying police are not sure why that guy came in and shot up the black people....I'm rolling my damn eyes knowing damn well he went there knowing black folk STAY in the Waffle House. Most people get their stuff to go.

If Cracker Barrel is on the news...I may have to end it all.

 

[naturalgyrl5199]

Genius!!!

This is EXACTLY what Disney does, so that they don’t have to follow the rules of the city of Orlando. Disney has its own city, Celebration, FL. They can do whatever they want with their theme parks. But Disney also has deep pockets.

You are strategically thinking like white people with our own city. I like!

Asian people have done this in nomansland, Georgia....a small town in NY state is run by Ashkenazi jews who recently ran all the non-white looking POC OUT HAS done it too.

 

[frida1980]

I don’t put much stock in any video that’s owned by anyone else, especially when they give it to police first. The police have been known to alter video.

Police have been caught on video doing all kinds of treacherous things and it hasn’t stopped them at all. We’ve got to find other ways to protect each other and ourselves.

The idea I’m working with is a camera build into glasses, small piece of jewelry, or easily installable anyway in your car that starts recording and saving a cloud as soon as you say a code word. The moment it starts recording, it can be automatically posted on to social media by relatives who have the passcode.

So instead of relying on outsiders to record, we can record as soon as the interaction starts discretely without the police knowing. Also, we’d also have the option of using it during any interactions with yt people, like clerks, government officials, neighbors, etc.

Also, I want to start a campaign where victims receive better representation and are advised to sue not only the city, but all parties involved including the officers present, the police chief, and Th police union. Shawn has found that police Unions have paid of DA ensuring no prosecution of police officers. I think families should sue them for judicial interference.

 

[naturalgyrl5199]

And let me give you this tidbit: if it weren't for the white folks, we wouldn't be a city now anyway, because it took their majority vote in the House and Senate to make it so. All I told the white senators and the House of Representatives was this: I don't need your free tokens; I don't need your handouts; I don't need any of that nonsense. What I need for you to do is to put us on the ballot so we can make our own decision and then I can live with the results of it from there.

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@Femmefatal1981

this right here!

 

[naturalgyrl5199]

Police officers lie. Fact.

and plant evidence. One was caught on camera planting drugs

 

[Mingus]

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[Natty_Virgo]

(Note: This is kind of long. So, feel free to just read the first paragraph which has the basic sentiment and then keep it pushing.)

Honestly, I'm also very tired of protesting and boycotting. Which is why, for me, not frequenting non-black restaurants is not so much about a boycott or a protest; it's instead about self-preservation. I had a complete mental shift a while ago, even before this latest incident, where it occurred to me that too many wypipo in this country simply do not know how to act right (and not enough who do are putting those people in check), and I'm putting myself in harms way every time I decide to put myself in their spaces. Sometimes it can't be helped, but there are plenty of times when it can be helped. Where it can be helped, I've just decided to refuse to fund my own oppression. Why should I keep paying these people money to call the police on me or people who look like me? I'm not doing this to punish them; I'm doing it to save myself. It will probably take more than a generation for these people to catch some sense, which means that I'm committing to years of not frequenting certain places (at least in this country).

I agree with what @weaveadiva quoted upthread with regard to not using black businesses only as a last resort when our faves are acting up. I agree, because I've decided that some of my "faves" need to go, not so much because I'm an innate separatist (I'm really not), but I have recognized the need for self-preservation as I said. So, I'm needing to find a new normal in spaces where I can feel more safe and accepted. I used the language of boycott in my prior post, because that's what a lot of people in our community understand. In all honesty though, I think that each individual should conduct a personal audit into ways in which she may be funding her own oppression and make changes accordingly. That way we're not constantly in a position of having to react with protests and boycotts all the time. There's no boycott needed if most of us are already divested. And if most of us are already divested, then we would see significantly fewer incidents like this, because our people simply would not be in these spaces. That would also leave us with a lot more energy and mental space to attack broader issues more strategically instead of constantly having to rely on kneejerk reactions to the latest offense, which is exhausting. In battle, the best soldiers know when it's time to fall back and regroup.

The great thing about a personal audit is that it's personal. You can take a look at your own life and determine where you have room to begin divesting, and you can do it at your own pace and in your own way. Here's what my personal audit for divestment has changed so far:

Restaurants and coffee shops:

• I just don't go to non-black establishments anymore. I live in the Pacific Northwest. So, it's hella hard to find black owned establishments here, but it can be done. There's even a black owned vegan restaurant that I can go to called Plum Bistro. The food is really good.
• I eat at home a lot. More times than not, the food that I make is better than most of what I can get from a restaurant anyway.
• It's much more difficult when needing to meet people out, because I don't generally want to set foot in places I would have normally gone. This one hasn't been tested much yet. But there are parks in my general area where I can meet people. They can stop and get food on their way, and I can bring food from home if they want to make it a lunch meeting. If necessary, there's also the option to simply not spend any money wherever I'm meeting that person. That's a last resort option though, because I simply do not wish to physically be in certain spaces anymore.

Movies and TV:

• This one is easy, and I've actually been doing this for years. I don't pay money for or give ratings to movies and TV shows that don't include me. (i.e., No BW, no money) The ratings part is easy, because I don't have cable, but typically I will support TV shows that have BW and girls central to the story by buying or renting the streaming videos from Amazon or the Google Play Store.
• That doesn't mean that I don't ever watch Movies and TV shows that don't include BW and girls. I just don't pay for them. (eta: If you do have cable, giving shows ratings is a way of paying for it, because not only are there the commercials, but they also get the audience numbers to be able to sell that ad space.) Some people may find that option objectionable, which means anyone choosing to go to this level of extreme may be cutting out a lot of different shows and movies. I personally don't have a problem with it, so that's how I roll.

Church:

• Living where I do, there aren't a lot of options in this category. I used to attend a multi-cultural (predominantly white) church in the area. A few years ago, it occurred to me that probably half of the people at that church were regular viewers of Fox News. Those same people may smile in your face, but they were feeding on a steady diet of hatred and misinformation. I decided that predominantly white churches were not a place where I could be properly nurtured. This was long before the 2016 election. I can imagine that most, if not all, of those people voted for Trump (as over 80% of white evangelicals did just that). I'm glad I left before that.
• Honestly, I had been suffering from church fatigue for a while. So, the race issue was only one of the reasons I left.

Area that needs more work:
Online shopping: I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon. But a lot of the things that I order are so unorthodox. Most of my necessities are purchased at the grocery store. Where are the black online vendors to sell me supplements? Or diatomaceous earth? Or fountain pen ink? I could stand to order more clothing from black businesses, but other than that...

But again, this is the type of stuff that is directly within my control. And doing this keeps me from having to constantly react to the latest thing that's happening. Another thing that helps is that I also refuse to look at anymore of these videos. I know this mess is happening. I don't need to see another video as proof. All it does is make me angry. So, instead of getting angry, I make a mental note to review my most recent divestment audit to see if I need to make any additions or adjustments. In this case, I didn't, because I'm already doing the thing that I need to do to keep myself out of this specific situation. Which brings me back full circle where this is about self-preservation, not a specific boycott. For those of us tired of the reacting, a divestment mentality seems to me to be the next level.

Okay, I'm going to come back later and read the rest but I agree with you about not entertaining non black establishments. We rarely eat out but I try to buy black as often as I can and support black business when I'm given that option. I'm in Texas and I've been cussed clean out at a Starbucks by some crazy white lady who said me and my friend (waiting for our order) were too loud. Mine you, the whole place was loud and we honestly weren't loud at all. I think the lady had mental problems but my issue was when the manager didn't do anything. She just watched, I got my order and haven't been to one since. Pretty soon with all this protesting, we will only be able to go to black establishments anyway, might as well start now!

 

[Crackers Phinn]

I might get hate for this but I think these hypothetical cities should be run by only Black women. Once Black women get past the racism will still have to deal with deeply entrenched misogyny among Black men so I’m not convinced our circumstances would be too much better if Black men are allowed to take charge. I won’t get into the corruption that is seemingly inherent in most men who rise to power.

You get no hate from me but the bolded is the elephant in the room that is always tapped dance around wherever it is discussed. As long as only black women can be depended on to stay focused on the overall concerns of the community, then both sexes are wide open to attack from the outside. None of this works over the long term unless black men play their part. Unfortunately, as a collective black women don't believe in black men's ability to lead and for the most part black men don't believe in their own ability to best white men on any level except a "fair" physical exchange. There are reasons for this but everybody is going to have to adjust their attitudes because black women have literally been holding the bc together with scotch tape and prayer for 60 years and it has taken a horrific toll on everybody.
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I know somebody is feeling some kinda way about that last bit but consider this: If someone, oh I don't know, (ME) had proposed that black men take it upon themselves to get mad enough to build a brand new black city from scratch, there would be a thread full of reasons of how impossible it was. Not just here but every black board I post on there's always a million reasons why "black men can't". Yet, here comes Jason Lary with Stonecrest. Did white supremacy take pity and give him step by step instructions on how to do what he did? Naw, he exploited prejudices and resources and figured out how to carry out a plan from start to finish. Does this make him a unicorn or did he just step up and try even though it was a hard job and failure was an option? What is the faith level that there is just ONE black dude in all 50 states (or states with a big enough black population) who could replicate what has been done in Ga? Just one. If "we" can't even imagine the possibility then the ceiling is the limit, forget about the whole sky.

 

[guudhair]

just step up and try even though it was a hard job and failure was an option?

This sums up the majority of these conversations to me. Move forward

 

[msdeevee]

Anyone else mad that the friend didnt want to fix her clothing though...

I didn’t read past 1st page so I’m sure this was addressed.

How could her friend step in that mess to fix her clothes? With those 2-3 police holding her down and fighting the woman threatening to break her arm. . If the friend had stepped in there to try to insert herself in that fracas she would have been pounced on by those idiots and possibly hurt worse or with the mentality of some police now maybe even killed. The police would have said it was self defense. I did hear the friend in the part of the video I saw yelling “ you got her T*ts out! That’s all she could do. The police didn’t care.

Trump has really emboldened these racists to be themselves.

 

[Sridevi]

You get no hate from me but the bolded is the elephant in the room that is always tapped dance around wherever it is discussed. As long as only black women can be depended on to stay focused on the overall concerns of the community, then both sexes are wide open to attack from the outside. None of this works over the long term unless black men play their part. Unfortunately, as a collective black women don't believe in black men's ability to lead and for the most part black men don't believe in their own ability to best white men on any level except a "fair" physical exchange. There are reasons for this but everybody is going to have to adjust their attitudes because black women have literally been holding the bc together with scotch tape and prayer for 60 years and it has taken a horrific toll on everybody.
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I know somebody is feeling some kinda way about that last bit but consider this: If someone, oh I don't know, (ME) had proposed that black men take it upon themselves to get mad enough to build a brand new black city from scratch, there would be a thread full of reasons of how impossible it was. Not just here but every black board I post on there's always a million reasons why "black men can't". Yet, here comes Jason Lary with Stonecrest. Did white supremacy take pity and give him step by step instructions on how to do what he did? Naw, he exploited prejudices and resources and figured out how to carry out a plan from start to finish. Does this make him a unicorn or did he just step up and try even though it was a hard job and failure was an option? What is the faith level that there is just ONE black dude in all 50 states (or states with a big enough black population) who could replicate what has been done in Ga? Just one. If "we" can't even imagine the possibility then the ceiling is the limit, forget about the whole sky.

I can totally imagine a Black man leading — and then proceeding to imitate White men in terms of the misogyny and oppression of women. I believe Black men see themselves as men first and Black second. Black men still have not had a #metoo reckoning. Misogyny still runs rampant among black men in entertainment.


I don’t think Black men and women are on the same page as far as moving foward as a race. Black women would not be content progressing in the world without Black men. Black men seem to be fighting, not for the black race as a whole, but to gain the privilege of White men including unfettered access to White women. This is why they don’t take to the streets in protest when black women are harmed. Whenever a black man like Cosby gets rightfully convicted of a crime against women you’ll have a host of Black men complaining that a White man wouldn’t have been convicted.
This to me cones off like “ how come we can’t rape women too?”

I think women as a gender are generally more empathetic- a quality that makes for great community leaders.

 

[Southernbella.]

You get no hate from me but the bolded is the elephant in the room that is always tapped dance around wherever it is discussed. As long as only black women can be depended on to stay focused on the overall concerns of the community, then both sexes are wide open to attack from the outside. None of this works over the long term unless black men play their part. Unfortunately, as a collective black women don't believe in black men's ability to lead and for the most part black men don't believe in their own ability to best white men on any level except a "fair" physical exchange. There are reasons for this but everybody is going to have to adjust their attitudes because black women have literally been holding the bc together with scotch tape and prayer for 60 years and it has taken a horrific toll on everybody.
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I know somebody is feeling some kinda way about that last bit but consider this: If someone, oh I don't know, (ME) had proposed that black men take it upon themselves to get mad enough to build a brand new black city from scratch, there would be a thread full of reasons of how impossible it was. Not just here but every black board I post on there's always a million reasons why "black men can't". Yet, here comes Jason Lary with Stonecrest. Did white supremacy take pity and give him step by step instructions on how to do what he did? Naw, he exploited prejudices and resources and figured out how to carry out a plan from start to finish. Does this make him a unicorn or did he just step up and try even though it was a hard job and failure was an option? What is the faith level that there is just ONE black dude in all 50 states (or states with a big enough black population) who could replicate what has been done in Ga? Just one. If "we" can't even imagine the possibility then the ceiling is the limit, forget about the whole sky.

I hear you but here's the thing...I don't think it would be enough for black men to move like Lary and create black cities all over the US. I feel like it would need to be on par with white cities for you (general) to give it credit.

Stonecrest will never be Buckhead because no matter how many well off black folks live there, it won't get the same investment that white cities get and homes wont appreciate at the same rate because race. Would it still be a great place for black folks to live? Absolutely, and I know this because I grew up in such a place. THAT'S where the point of contention is for me...there ain't no catching up with white folks and life is always gonna be about trade-offs for black folks. The sooner we realize this the better off we'll be.

So again, going back to what the goal is...is it to catch up with/pass white people or is it for black folks to have a good quality of life and do better than the previous generation? Because we can have the latter in places like Stonecrest but y'all still won't like the stats.

 

[Crackers Phinn]

I can totally imagine a Black man leading — and then proceeding to imitate White men in terms of the misogyny and oppression of women. I believe Black men see themselves as men first and Black second. Black men still have not had a #metoo reckoning. Misogyny still runs rampant among black men in entertainment.

I don’t think Black men and women are on the same page as far as moving foward as a race. Black women would not be content progressing in the world without Black men. Black men seem to be fighting, not for the black race as a whole, but to gain the privilege of White men including unfettered access to White women. This is why they don’t take to the streets in protest when black women are harmed. Whenever a black man like Cosby gets rightfully convicted of a crime against women you’ll have a host of Black men complaining that a White man wouldn’t have been convicted.
This to me cones off like “ how come we can’t rape women too?”

I think women as a gender are generally more empathetic- a quality that makes for great community leaders.

I agree with all that you said. I would only fine tune it to say that black men don't need to imitate white men in terms of misogyny because they already have their special brand of it down pat. That misogyny is also not going anywhere especially if black men ever make their come up. The black community is not a meritocracy, black men are a privileged class within the community which is why an ex-con drug dealer/pimp, who without question exploited black women and also with a white woman track record is the universal face of pro-blackness. I give Malcolm X reverence because look at what he built with just the knowledge of a street hustler but I don't forget that the road to his redemption was paved with damaged black girls and women.

I am no fan of misogyny or misogynoir, but it would be easier to swallow coming from a collective of black men who were actively building and policing a community that significantly lightened the load for the collective of black women. That is the least they "should" do in exchange for their sense of entitlement.

 

[nlamr2013]

The links for the video keep going dark because of the nudity.

This brought me to tears. Wow! The first thing they should have done was clearly request and on camera a female officer. Whenever I have any encounter with law emforcement(twice) I request female officer to be present.

Like they had her bare body on that nasty floor and what was that in his hand his gun or his taser? Either way unnecessary because she literally wasn’t doing anything.

 

[Crackers Phinn]

I hear you but here's the thing...I don't think it would be enough for black men to move like Lary and create black cities all over the US. I feel like it would need to be on par with white cities for you (general) to give it credit.

Stonecrest will never be Buckhead because no matter how many well off black folks live there, it won't get the same investment that white cities get and homes wont appreciate at the same rate because race. Would it still be a great place for black folks to live? Absolutely, and I know this because I grew up in such a place. THAT'S where the point of contention is for me...there ain't no catching up with white folks and life is always gonna be about trade-offs for black folks. The sooner we realize this the better off we'll be.

So again, going back to what the goal is...is it to catch up with/pass white people or is it for black folks to have a good quality of life and do better than the previous generation? Because we can have the latter in places like Stonecrest but y'all still won't like the stats.

There is never ever EVER going to be one solution to cover all the needs of the black community. There is a long list of moving parts needed to get the ball rolling but to name a few: We need Lary's for infrastructure. We need Tristan Walker's to come in and create new or remix existing products to create new business industries. We need Robert Smith's for financing those Entrepreneurs. We need non raping Bill Cosby's to keep a foot in other black men's so that they pull up their pants and get to work. We need black marrying Thurgood Marshall's to go to bat politically for African American rights. (Hell, maybe even get us some reparations.) On the ground level, we need black male cops, teachers, social workers, etc. front and center to buffer THEIR black fathers, uncles, sons and nephews from what happens when those roles are left to outsiders to come into THEIR communities to do.

2. The long game is to surpass white folks. It's not going to happen overnight and without a miracle it will definitely take more than one generation. I think where you and I don't see eye to eye on catching up/vs surpassing is that (my interpretation of what) you believe is that white people are a nonfactor that can be worked around/ignored. Whereas I look at white people/ white supremacy as Deebo from Friday. Deebo is go with you out of the pure joy he takes in doing it and he will go out of his way to find you to torment just because it's Thursday. So how do you deal with Deebo?

Sometimes it takes a brick to the dome to level a playing field. Even though that's not in the "rulebook".

Then you run his pockets, recover your stolen property, steal some of his property and then get as much of a head start running (surpassing) him before that wakes up, realizes what happened and comes after you. And yeah, he's going to come after you, that's why catching up is not enough. You gotta be out of immediate reach with the ability to keep moving as a target.
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When you think about white folks as defeatable beings (Deebo) instead of some otherworldly omniscient powerful entity (the devil/demons) catching up, surpassing, keeping your foot on their neck becomes a less daunting task. They can be beaten. They have been beaten before. We can beat them but nobody can promise a fast or easy beating.

 

[nlamr2013]

(Note: This is kind of long. So, feel free to just read the first paragraph which has the basic sentiment and then keep it pushing.)

Honestly, I'm also very tired of protesting and boycotting. Which is why, for me, not frequenting non-black restaurants is not so much about a boycott or a protest; it's instead about self-preservation. I had a complete mental shift a while ago, even before this latest incident, where it occurred to me that too many wypipo in this country simply do not know how to act right (and not enough who do are putting those people in check), and I'm putting myself in harms way every time I decide to put myself in their spaces. Sometimes it can't be helped, but there are plenty of times when it can be helped. Where it can be helped, I've just decided to refuse to fund my own oppression. Why should I keep paying these people money to call the police on me or people who look like me? I'm not doing this to punish them; I'm doing it to save myself. It will probably take more than a generation for these people to catch some sense, which means that I'm committing to years of not frequenting certain places (at least in this country).

I agree with what @weaveadiva quoted upthread with regard to not using black businesses only as a last resort when our faves are acting up. I agree, because I've decided that some of my "faves" need to go, not so much because I'm an innate separatist (I'm really not), but I have recognized the need for self-preservation as I said. So, I'm needing to find a new normal in spaces where I can feel more safe and accepted. I used the language of boycott in my prior post, because that's what a lot of people in our community understand. In all honesty though, I think that each individual should conduct a personal audit into ways in which she may be funding her own oppression and make changes accordingly. That way we're not constantly in a position of having to react with protests and boycotts all the time. There's no boycott needed if most of us are already divested. And if most of us are already divested, then we would see significantly fewer incidents like this, because our people simply would not be in these spaces. That would also leave us with a lot more energy and mental space to attack broader issues more strategically instead of constantly having to rely on kneejerk reactions to the latest offense, which is exhausting. In battle, the best soldiers know when it's time to fall back and regroup.

The great thing about a personal audit is that it's personal. You can take a look at your own life and determine where you have room to begin divesting, and you can do it at your own pace and in your own way. Here's what my personal audit for divestment has changed so far:

Restaurants and coffee shops:

• I just don't go to non-black establishments anymore. I live in the Pacific Northwest. So, it's hella hard to find black owned establishments here, but it can be done. There's even a black owned vegan restaurant that I can go to called Plum Bistro. The food is really good.
• I eat at home a lot. More times than not, the food that I make is better than most of what I can get from a restaurant anyway.
• It's much more difficult when needing to meet people out, because I don't generally want to set foot in places I would have normally gone. This one hasn't been tested much yet. But there are parks in my general area where I can meet people. They can stop and get food on their way, and I can bring food from home if they want to make it a lunch meeting. If necessary, there's also the option to simply not spend any money wherever I'm meeting that person. That's a last resort option though, because I simply do not wish to physically be in certain spaces anymore.

Movies and TV:

• This one is easy, and I've actually been doing this for years. I don't pay money for or give ratings to movies and TV shows that don't include me. (i.e., No BW, no money) The ratings part is easy, because I don't have cable, but typically I will support TV shows that have BW and girls central to the story by buying or renting the streaming videos from Amazon or the Google Play Store.
• That doesn't mean that I don't ever watch Movies and TV shows that don't include BW and girls. I just don't pay for them. (eta: If you do have cable, giving shows ratings is a way of paying for it, because not only are there the commercials, but they also get the audience numbers to be able to sell that ad space.) Some people may find that option objectionable, which means anyone choosing to go to this level of extreme may be cutting out a lot of different shows and movies. I personally don't have a problem with it, so that's how I roll.

Church:

• Living where I do, there aren't a lot of options in this category. I used to attend a multi-cultural (predominantly white) church in the area. A few years ago, it occurred to me that probably half of the people at that church were regular viewers of Fox News. Those same people may smile in your face, but they were feeding on a steady diet of hatred and misinformation. I decided that predominantly white churches were not a place where I could be properly nurtured. This was long before the 2016 election. I can imagine that most, if not all, of those people voted for Trump (as over 80% of white evangelicals did just that). I'm glad I left before that.
• Honestly, I had been suffering from church fatigue for a while. So, the race issue was only one of the reasons I left.

Area that needs more work:
Online shopping: I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon. But a lot of the things that I order are so unorthodox. Most of my necessities are purchased at the grocery store. Where are the black online vendors to sell me supplements? Or diatomaceous earth? Or fountain pen ink? I could stand to order more clothing from black businesses, but other than that...

But again, this is the type of stuff that is directly within my control. And doing this keeps me from having to constantly react to the latest thing that's happening. Another thing that helps is that I also refuse to look at anymore of these videos. I know this mess is happening. I don't need to see another video as proof. All it does is make me angry. So, instead of getting angry, I make a mental note to review my most recent divestment audit to see if I need to make any additions or adjustments. In this case, I didn't, because I'm already doing the thing that I need to do to keep myself out of this specific situation. Which brings me back full circle where this is about self-preservation, not a specific boycott. For those of us tired of the reacting, a divestment mentality seems to me to be the next level.

Good for you!
What kinds of supplements? I know
https://www.instagram.com/backtoyourrootsherbs

And

https://www.instagram.com/tierragoesgreen

Have some supplements but nothing like oh this is vitamin A or whatever.

 

[weaveadiva]

I believe Black men see themselves as men first and Black second. Black men still have not had a #metoo reckoning. Misogyny still runs rampant among black men in entertainment.


I don’t think Black men and women are on the same page as far as moving foward as a race. Black women would not be content progressing in the world without Black men. Black men seem to be fighting, not for the black race as a whole, but to gain the privilege of White men including unfettered access to White women. This is why they don’t take to the streets in protest when black women are harmed.

Wow. You said a mouthful.

The older I get the more I agree. It's a painful realization.

 

[Southernbella.]

There is never ever EVER going to be one solution to cover all the needs of the black community. There is a long list of moving parts needed to get the ball rolling but to name a few: We need Lary's for infrastructure. We need Tristan Walker's to come in and create new or remix existing products to create new business industries. We need Robert Smith's for financing those Entrepreneurs. We need non raping Bill Cosby's to keep a foot in other black men's so that they pull up their pants and get to work. We need black marrying Thurgood Marshall's to go to bat politically for African American rights. (Hell, maybe even get us some reparations.) On the ground level, we need black male cops, teachers, social workers, etc. front and center to buffer THEIR black fathers, uncles, sons and nephews from what happens when those roles are left to outsiders to come into THEIR communities to do.

2. The long game is to surpass white folks. It's not going to happen overnight and without a miracle it will definitely take more than one generation. I think where you and I don't see eye to eye on catching up/vs surpassing is that (my interpretation of what) you believe is that white people are a nonfactor that can be worked around/ignored. Whereas I look at white people/ white supremacy as Deebo from Friday. Deebo is go with you out of the pure joy he takes in doing it and he will go out of his way to find you to torment just because it's Thursday. So how do you deal with Deebo?

Sometimes it takes a brick to the dome to level a playing field. Even though that's not in the "rulebook".

Then you run his pockets, recover your stolen property, steal some of his property and then get as much of a head start running (surpassing) him before that wakes up, realizes what happened and comes after you. And yeah, he's going to come after you, that's why catching up is not enough. You gotta be out of immediate reach with the ability to keep moving as a target.
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When you think about white folks as defeatable beings (Deebo) instead of some otherworldly omniscient powerful entity (the devil/demons) catching up, surpassing, keeping your foot on their neck becomes a less daunting task. They can be beaten. They have been beaten before. We can beat them but nobody can promise a fast or easy beating.

I agree, I think that's exactly where our paths diverge. I'm tired I don't wanna deal with them at all, even if it means not beating them. But I'm not trying to stand in the way of progress so I'm rooting for everybody black (tm Issa) to beat the brakes off them if thats their path.

One question...are you saying we've beat them before or just that somebody has beaten them before?

 

[Sridevi]

I am no fan of misogyny or misogynoir, but it would be easier to swallow coming from a collective of black men who were actively building and policing a community that significantly lightened the load for the collective of black women. That is the least they "should" do in exchange for their sense of entitlement.

I think the misogyny and it’s accompanying trauma for women is the same regardless of the race of men. Having a Black man beat , rape or oppress me wouldn’t feel any better than if a White man did it. This is why my hypothetical city would be led by women from the start. It would be hard to take away the power and authority once you give it to men.

 

[Mingus]

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[nlamr2013]

Thanks for the recommendations. The first one doesn't look as if there's anything that I would buy. I do purchase some regular degular supplements like iron and zinc, etc. I also sometimes do Chinese herbal supplements, but I didn't see anything that I use there. The second one also doesn't seem to carry a lot of what I would buy except she does seem to have probiotics, which I do use. So, I'd be willing to check her out for that. I saw somewhere that she said she has an Amazon store, but I can't find a link. Do you happen to have a link for tierragoesgreen Amazon store?

Yeah I thought b2yr May have been too obscure lol

As far as I know Tierra doesn’t have a store just an affiliate link. Her actual products are sold on her website.

Affiliate link :
https://www.amazon.com/shop/tierragoesgreen

Website :
https://tgg-tierra-goes-green.myshopify.com/collections/wellness

 

[Crackers Phinn]

I agree, I think that's exactly where our paths diverge. I'm tired I don't wanna deal with them at all, even if it means not beating them. But I'm not trying to stand in the way of progress so I'm rooting for everybody black (tm Issa) to beat the brakes off them if thats their path.

One question...are you saying we've beat them before or just that somebody has beaten them before?

Yeah, other brown and yellow people that aren't black.

I understand being tired. I'm tired too but white people are not going to leave us alone. They are going to be there every step of the way undermining, assaulting and worse because that's the hobby of bullies everywhere. Now with this fool in office they are emboldened in a way that black Americans have not seen since segregation. I don't think we've seen the worst yet.

 

[Crackers Phinn]

I think the misogyny and it’s accompanying trauma for women is the same regardless of the race of men. Having a Black man beat , rape or oppress me wouldn’t feel any better than if a White man did it. This is why my hypothetical city would be led by women from the start. It would be hard to take away the power and authority once you give it to men.

I guess my question is what will the men be doing while the women are running everything? The majority of those black women in your hypothetical city are going to go home in some shape or form to black men. Excluding black men from the building and running part of the vision is like starting a long trip with only a half tank of gas. It's go take a whole lot of pit stops and rest breaks to get to your final destination.

I agree that oppression doesn't feel better based upon the race of the oppressor. Whether right or wrong, bw already accept and internalize bm misogyny,(see Bill Cosby, Nate Parker, 90% of hiphop and reality tv) in exchange for very little. I'm just saying, if you're going to accept the behavior get something in return for doing so.

 

[Sridevi]

I guess my question is what will the men be doing while the women are running everything? The majority of those black women in your hypothetical city are going to go home in some shape or form to black men. Excluding black men from the building and running part of the vision is like starting a long trip with only a half tank of gas. It's go take a whole lot of pit stops and rest breaks to get to your final destination.

I agree that oppression doesn't feel better based upon the race of the oppressor. Whether right or wrong, bw already accept and internalize bm misogyny,(see Bill Cosby, Nate Parker, 90% of hiphop and reality tv) in exchange for very little. I'm just saying, if you're going to accept the behavior get something in return for doing so.

I didn’t say that Black men would be excluded - only that the leadership positions be held by women. Black men can assist and support these female leaders
however they choose.

 

[Southernbella.]

Yeah, other brown and yellow people that aren't black.

I understand being tired. I'm tired too but white people are not going to leave us alone. They are going to be there every step of the way undermining, assaulting and worse because that's the hobby of bullies everywhere. Now with this fool in office they are emboldened in a way that black Americans have not seen since segregation. I don't think we've seen the worst yet.

Regarding brown and yellow people, are you referring strictly to beating them financially?

 

[DeepBluSea]

No telling how much money that blob has extorted from customers. She was mad because those women saw through her scheme.

 

[nysister]

I HATE these animals, those aren't police they are scum in an alley. They need to die that was disgusting.

How can we donate to help her win this case.

 

[nysister]

I don't love this country and I'm not crying over it either. I get my just deserts hitting people in the pocket. Sell to them or sue them, but don't give them your emotion, they're not worth it.

 

[Firstborn2]

I'm bad at updating but it's been a lot of activity going on. It looks like the family has retained Benjamin Crump. A press conference was held on Wednesday. Al Sharpton is on his way down there I believe my cousin said, next Wednesday for a Town Hall.


http://mynbc15.com/news/local/rev-a...ss-controversial-saraland-waffle-house-arrest

Saraland, is trying to discredit the young lady by posting her mug shots, however, they under estimated black folk because some one went digging for the Waffle House Lady who called the Cops and found out she was involved in a Meth Ring,lol

 

[Firstborn2]

here's mug shot.

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