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Black Women And Children Being Evicted In A Pandemic.

Evolving78

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It's cheaper to keep your unit empty than to have a nonpaying tenant. If you have a nice unit in a great location, you will not have issue finding good tenants.
I believe that only if you own it and don’t have a mortgage on it.
 
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Evolving78

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Most states have eviction moratorium. Starting this month, Florida only make the moratorium applicable to people who can prove they lost their job AND the unemployment received is not enough to cover rent. That's how it should have been from the start of the pandemic. Those people should get additional assistance.
There are women that can’t work due to childcare. I know someone that has to go back out in the field and doesn’t have someone to homeschool her daughter or afford daycare.
 

Keen

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I believe that will only if you own it and don’t have a mortgage on it.
Nope. Whether there’s a non paying tenant or an empty unit, the mortgage needs to be paid. It’s expensive to evict someone. That’s added cost. The longer they go without paying, the least likely you are to get your money. You can get a judgement and never collect a dime. You are on the hook for maintenance even if the tenant owes months.
 

Evolving78

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Nope. Whether there’s a non paying tenant or an empty unit, the mortgage needs to be paid. It’s expensive to evict someone. That’s added cost. The longer they go without paying, the least likely you are to get your money. You can get a judgement and never collect a dime. You are on the hook for maintenance even if the tenant owes months.
I get what you are saying. It is cheaper than a non-paying tenant.
 

dancinstallion

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in NJ here they cant evict you. They have kept that in place.


I know a lady that has been trying to evict her ex since Dec of 2019 and by law she cant. She has to keep letting him in ,even though he isnt on her lease.
Can you explain this further please? How long were they in a relationship? Why cant she evict him? Is he paying her (i assume he isnt). What's the law if you break up with somebody, how long can the other person continue to live in the same house?
 
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Bette Davis Eyes

Melanated Queen
Can you explain this further please? How long were they in a relationship? Why cant she evict him? Is he paying her (i assume he isnt). What's the law if you break up with somebody, how long can the other person continue to live in the same house?
They were in a relationship 2-3 years. He changed his drivers license to her address. His mail comes there. He has clothes. She wanted to dissolve the relationship. She asked that he pay her 100 every 2 weeks so he can save to move. Hes not doing that. He stays out all night and comes back when shes at work sometimes. All type of drama.

The police station told her she has to take him to eviction court. Because you cant evict someone here during covid it has to be a serious reason to evict him. Harm or Threat basically. So, theres a long wait for evictions filings. @dancinstallion
 
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awhyley

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He changed his drivers license to her address.
I have some serious misgivings about people changing/updating their mailing addresses, esp. when it can be done so easily. I'm not sure how it works behind the scenes, but is someone (i.e. roommate, etc.), alerted when someone does this? Or do they just see the mail coming through? Can someone protest this beforehand/afterwards? Does the requesting party have to show proof, (like a rental or lease agreement), or something?
 

Bette Davis Eyes

Melanated Queen
I have some serious misgivings about people changing/updating their mailing addresses, esp. when it can be done so easily. I'm not sure how it works behind the scenes, but is someone (i.e. roommate, etc.), alerted when someone does this? Or do they just see the mail coming through? Can someone protest this beforehand/afterwards? Does the requesting party have to show proof, (like a rental or lease agreement), or something?
You can do it online. The only way the person knows is if they see the new start date mail that comes and of course if the person starts getting mail there @awhyley
 

Evolving78

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I have some serious misgivings about people changing/updating their mailing addresses, esp. when it can be done so easily. I'm not sure how it works behind the scenes, but is someone (i.e. roommate, etc.), alerted when someone does this? Or do they just see the mail coming through? Can someone protest this beforehand/afterwards? Does the requesting party have to show proof, (like a rental or lease agreement), or something?
You can return to sender and state the person doesn’t live there.
 

Rocky91

NYE side boob.
Federal intervention is going to be imperative here. I predict even the most progressive, Dem-controlled states and cities will be implementing austerity measures soon as they take stock of their budgetary shortfalls.

also, single Black women need to be VERY prudent with their fertility choices for the next few years. That no wedding, no womb needs to be revived.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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The reason squatters can get away with long term squatting is because they start having their mail come and then change their ID to said address. One guy paid a squatting family of 10 who had dragged in a moonshine machine on his vacation beach property in NJ over $6000 because he found them squatting in it. There were like kids and a whole family there. They were really nice but refused to leave. He would come and yell (they changed the locks) and harass them and they'd call the police and he would be escorted off HIS property in tears because of the injustice. The cops had no resolution for him bc of "Squatters Rights." He bit the bullet and cash won out. He had a moving company come pick up their stuff and gave them cash and it took them wherever they wanted but they were out.

What the girl with the ex- needs to do is maybe have an additional person move there to possibly crowd him out. She seems to have missed the opportunity to change the locks. But he is basically a squatting homeless bum. She can also look to simply sell her home as well or play the long game...be patient. She should also create a "lease" for him as a tenant as well. She needs to simply keep putting pressure on him. The day he agrees to move, she needs to change the locks and have a sheriff HELP him move. It will be expensive but her peace of mind will be intact. Cause I know I'd be stressed.
 

Keen

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The reason squatters can get away with long term squatting is because they start having their mail come and then change their ID to said address. One guy paid a squatting family of 10 who had dragged in a moonshine machine on his vacation beach property in NJ over $6000 because he found them squatting in it. There were like kids and a whole family there. They were really nice but refused to leave. He would come and yell (they changed the locks) and harass them and they'd call the police and he would be escorted off HIS property in tears because of the injustice. The cops had no resolution for him bc of "Squatters Rights." He bit the bullet and cash won out. He had a moving company come pick up their stuff and gave them cash and it took them wherever they wanted but they were out.

What the girl with the ex- needs to do is maybe have an additional person move there to possibly crowd him out. She seems to have missed the opportunity to change the locks. But he is basically a squatting homeless bum. She can also look to simply sell her home as well or play the long game...be patient. She should also create a "lease" for him as a tenant as well. She needs to simply keep putting pressure on him. The day he agrees to move, she needs to change the locks and have a sheriff HELP him move. It will be expensive but her peace of mind will be intact. Cause I know I'd be stressed.
Sometimes I get accused of being part of the system trying to hold people down. But it takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. I look at credit and recent criminal history. It makes no sense someone can move in your property without your consent but you can’t kick them out. I would rather spend that $6K on attorney fees.
 

Evolving78

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Sometimes I get accused of being part of the system trying to hold people down. But it takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. I look at credit and recent criminal history. It makes no sense someone can move in your property without your consent but you can’t kick them out. I would rather spend that $6K on attorney fees.
This is the dark side of shacking and having people leave their toothbrush at your house.
 

HappilyLiberal

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I have a sister that is a GAMBLER. She lost her house of 35 years in 2010 because she is a GAMBLER. Anyhoo, she has been renting but has decided not to pay......using the POTENTIAL loss of her job due to COVID.

What she wants is to move in with her daughter that owns a house. My niece allowed her to live with her for nearly two years but she was an awful roommate. “I’m not going to pay any rent here because I’m your mother, I use only one bedroom and there are two more empty bedrooms using utilities, and I helped you with your son when your ex-husband went to drug rehab”—-she didn’t help with crap. My great nephew is now in the military and she requested that he make her a dependent and provide her a monthly allotment because she raised him like he was her son—-did not. She called that boy every ugly name in the dictionary because he was shy and awkward, he was 6”4 by age 13–he’s 6’7” now.

They had to part ways when my niece found out that she was asking her dates to “loan” her money because she is a GAMBLER. Family members are through with her because she is a GAMBLER. Last week she pawn a Blue-Ray player for $14 because she is a GAMBLER, then told my niece she couldn’t pay her basic senior citizen limited channels cable bill.

I’m sure she has been gambling with the rent money. We are all prepared to give her the addresses of homeless shelters. She will call us up and say that she doesn’t have money for food and then get pissed when we purchased a grocery store gift card.
I'm not going to try to tag everyone with this... but down here, people were not paying their rent but going to Target, Best Buy, and Walmart and buying 60" and 72" TV's. Their landlords went down to the court house THE DAY they eviction moratorium expired. I wonder where they're plugging in those big TV's now!
 

HappilyLiberal

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A few places may offer some assistance. A few cities, counties, even states. Very piecemeal. The amount of money needed to cover these missed rent payments would be enormous.

It's interesting, because I just heard that the average income went up during the pandemic because the federal addition to unemployment was so high, an extra $600/week on top of state unemployment. If it looks like this with that extra money, what will it look like once that money stops?

A big question, though, is who the landlords are going to replace their tenants with, if they kick them out.
See... and if they had half a brain, they would have kept paying their bills and socked some of that aside for the future. I know two people who are using the interest free period on their students loans to knock out a chunk of that debt before they start attaching interest again!
 

Kanky

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I'm not going to try to tag everyone with this... but down here, people were not paying their rent but going to Target, Best Buy, and Walmart and buying 60" and 72" TV's. Their landlords went down to the court house THE DAY they eviction moratorium expired. I wonder where they're plugging in those big TV's now!
There are always anecdotal accusations that black people who are poor are not managing their money properly. TVs are not particularly expensive and they are a one time expense at that. More relevant might be the number of people who were laid off, applied for unemployment insurance and were denied or the number of people who have yet to receive a dime from their claims.
 

Kanky

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But, just like the virus's outsize impact on the health of communities of color, the unemployment crisis is in a number of ways worse among Black Americans, who are disproportionately more likely to be unemployed but are also least likely to receive jobless benefits. Just 13% of Black people out of work from April to June received unemployment benefits, compared with 24% of White workers, 22% of Hispanic workers and 18% of workers of other races, according to an analysis completed by Nyanya Browne and William Spriggs of Howard University using national survey data from the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago.

 

Theresamonet

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in NJ here they cant evict you. They have kept that in place.


I know a lady that has been trying to evict her ex since Dec of 2019 and by law she cant. She has to keep letting him in ,even though he isnt on her lease.
Some people are being illegally evicted, dispute state laws and moratoriums. For people with obvious financial struggles, and limited to zero access to resources, there’s not much they can do if their landlord locks them out, legal or not.

The lady you know, could get her ex out, but she’s choosing to abide by the law. These landlords are choosing to get the tenants out, and worry about the legal ramifications later.

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I think it was obvious to everyone that something more needed to be done about rents besides just a moratorium. Let’s say all landlords even decided to play along— once the ban is lifted, as it already has in some states, where the hell were people suddenly supposed to get thousands of dollars to pay back rent??
 

Kanky

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Sometimes I get accused of being part of the system trying to hold people down. But it takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. I look at credit and recent criminal history. It makes no sense someone can move in your property without your consent but you can’t kick them out. I would rather spend that $6K on attorney fees.
I would not worry about being part of the “system.“

My renters are all at least middle class. I am not trying to make other people’s problems my problems and middle class people pay their bills. I’ve not had anyone even be late during this pandemic, much less actually not pay. I took advantage of the mortgage deferment for one property and continued to charge them full rent. Those white folks will be fine. Or not. Don’t really care. But I am not interested in any scenario where white folks are living rent free off my hard work like I am mammy the slave woman here to make their lives more comfortable.
 

Keen

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I would not worry about being part of the “system.“

My renters are all at least middle class. I am not trying to make other people’s problems my problems and middle class people pay their bills. I’ve not had anyone even be late during this pandemic, much less actually not pay. I took advantage of the mortgage deferment for one property and continued to charge them full rent. Those white folks will be fine. Or not. Don’t really care. But I am not interested in any scenario where white folks are living rent free off my hard work like I am mammy the slave woman here to make their lives more comfortable.
Let me know how that mortgage deferment turns out for you. I’m wondering if people will be forced to modification with the interests being added to principal
 
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