Discussion in 'News - Breaking News & Political Forum' started by Kiowa, Sep 7, 2018.
Why is this woman not charged with at least second degree murder? She realized a black man was positioned at the same point but different floor and decided to make up something so that she could murder him.
How did she get her gun so quickly? If she had keys, and who knows what else in her hands, how did she reach for her gun, aim, and shoot, in the time it took him to open the door?
I've worked 16hr shifts in a building with a similar setup and I've never gone to the wrong floor. There are visual triggers, like floormats, lighting, etc.
I'm just not here for the BS that she was so tired that she couldn't remember her apartment, but had time to take the safety off her gun and kill this man.
I'm not surprised about the spinning.....
Botham Jean's door was unlocked, lights were off when Officer Amber Guyger mistook his apartment for hers, official says
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The Dallas police officer who killed 26-year-old Botham Jean in his own apartment got inside because the door wasn’t locked, a law enforcement official said Sunday.
Officer Amber Guyger had just ended a 15-hour shift when she parked on the wrong level of the South Side Flats garage— the fourth floor instead of the third, where she lived, according to the official who has direct knowledge of the case but is not authorized to discuss it publicly.
Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings also said Sunday that Guyger parked on the wrong floor.
She went to the door she thought was hers but was one floor too high. The four floors of the South Side Flats in the Cedars look the same, with concrete floors and tan doors. A light fixture to the side of each door displays the apartment number.
Guyger, 30, was arrested Sunday on a manslaughter charge and was booked into the Kaufman County Jail. The Texas Rangers are investigating the case at the request of Dallas Police Chief U. Renee Hall. In the last year, juries have sentenced two police officers in Dallas County to prison time after convicting them of murder.
The night of the shooting, Guyger didn’t notice that Jean's door had a red doormat in front of it, the official said. Her entrance didn’t have one.
Flowers at the front door of Botham Jean, who Dallas police say was shot Thursday by Amber Guyger, an off-duty police officer who said mistakenly thought her apartment was his. Guyger was in uniform. She was arrested Sunday on a manslaughter charge.
Guyger, who was still in uniform, put her key in the door, which was unlocked, and the door opened, the official said. The lights were out. She saw a figure in the darkness and thought her apartment was being burglarized, the official said. Guyger pulled her gun and fired twice.
When she turned on the lights, she realized she was in the wrong apartment. Jean, who worked for PricewaterhouseCoopers, was shot once in the chest.
Authorities have said Guyger and Jean, a native of Saint Lucia in the Caribbean, did not know each other. Guyger, a nearly five-year veteran of the Police Department, had recently moved into the complex.
A light fixture to the left of Botham Jean's door identifies his apartment number. Dallas police say that an off-duty officer, Amber Guyger, on Thursday shot and killed Jean when she mistakenly thought his apartment was hers.
Guyger called 911 crying, the official said. She repeatedly said, “I thought it was my apartment” and apologized to Jean.
“I’m so sorry,” she can be heard saying on the recording of the 911 call, the official said. Police arrived within four minutes.
A video taken by someone at the apartment complex shows Guyger in the hallway crying and pacing with a phone to her ear.
The video shows paramedics rushing by with Jean on a stretcher as a paramedic kneels on top of him, performing chest compressions.
Jean, who is remembered as someone who "loved mankind," was pronounced dead at Baylor University Medical Center.
Correction 2 a.m.: A photo caption incorrectly referred to a murder charge, rather than a manslaughter charge.
So police officers should not work 15-hours shifts because there is a high chance of extreme impairment of judgment at a job that can cost a life.
I don't believe that story one bit.
This new version smells like BS. Didn’t the neighbors hear banging on the door? Which would mean it was locked. I can’t remember.
So she had to struggle with her key to open a door that was unlocked?
Who goes to sleep leaving their door unlocked?
They couldn't have come up with a better cover story than this?
This confuses me. First story was she struggled with the key, he opened the door, she fired. Now, it's saying the door was open, she went in, then fired at the shadow figure.
They need to release the 911 call and report. Where was the body found?
If she put the key in the door and it didn’t turn but then turned the knob the door would open. I’ve went to bed with the door unlocked before. So both are plausible.
That being said she murdered a man in his home. She deserves jail time no matter what the circumstances are.
Why did they drop murder charge for manslaughter?
Likely because they know they won't get an indictment for murder.
BS. The bright red door mat should have been her final dead giveaway that it wasn't her place.
OK, the second version of this story is quite plausible to a degree if one can believe she did not see a bright red mat in front of the door. If she did see it, but dismissed it in the back of her mind, then as a police officer she completely failed all safety protocols before choosing to fire a deadly weapon.
HOWEVER, as it has already been pointed out, the first story is so different from the first one that came out, that their credibility has been compromised.
If she did not know him, if this was not some sort of white supremacy cop initiation, then what other motive would she have to kill him other than she really thought he was a burglar in her home?
I am going to go out on a limb and say that she had very poor police officer skills (ie., not noticing a bright red mat, not noticing the door number, choosing to fire without verifying the situation etc.) because really, I thought officers were trained to be OBSERVANT. But, it does seem as though she was truly remorseful in a way that makes it seem she really thought she was at her own apartment (and I am not one to usually be moved by WW's crocodile tears).
I know there was once a discussion here on the difference between manslaughter and murder.
Right. And didn’t the next door neighbor who was tweeting, say she watched them perform CPR even though he was already obviously deceased? That would suggest he was in the hall/doorway/threshold area. Somewhere she’d be able to watch from her own front door. I doubt they’d let her come over to look inside his apartment.
I am only reeling from the spins...everything else is business as usual. RIP Botham Jean
Her work shift gets longer and longer with each story too.
The prosecuting attorneys better do a good job. Even a half decent analysis will find a lot of holes in this story.
What part? I see nothing that cannot be faked easily. Maybe it is due to her training but in that video when returning towards the scene of the crime she moved her arm in a "normal" walking matter.
Nope. Didn’t her first story have her putting stuff down on the ground because she was struggling with the key? So she didn’t see the bright red doormat then?
Is this the new wave of cop killer excuses? They’re so tired and “out of it” that they shoot unarmed innocent black people?
I am so sick of this....
BTW- Ole girl was arrested but she's not in jail. She bonded out on a manslaughter charge on Sunday night. The average person arrested for a crime involving a weapon or that resulted in a death after the courts close on Friday will sit in jail until they can go in front of a judge on Monday or later.
"Guyger, 30, of Dallas, was charged with manslaughter, according to jail records. The four-year veteran of the department was released from the Kaufman County Jail on Sunday evening after posting a $300,000 bond.It wasn't immediately clear if Guyger had an attorney.
Guyger's arrest was announced as Jean's family and their attorneys say they met with Dallas County District Attorney Faith Johnson to demand the officer's arrest."
This pisses me off. It seems like the story keeps changing.
If she goes to trial at all, she'll get a very light sentence or probation.
Where is the public outcry regarding this innocent man's "cold-blooded" murder?!?!?
She'll likely get off or do minimal time. This is like the show "7 seconds."
We need someone with a very bad record and nothing to lose to take one for the team.
I thought they said the door had a fob key opening. Fob keys are usually used for doors that have an automatic lock. You don’t have to manually lock doors that have a fob. My door is a fob opening and it locks as soon as the door closes. I can’t keep my door unlocked, unless it’s held open.
Really over this mess with these people.
I really hope there are many witnesses that will prove a conflicting story by the offender.
Yeah, her hours keep going up and up. First it was a 12-hour shift, then 14, now it's 15.
On tonight's evening news they said she saw a silhouette. So she had no idea she was shooting a black guy, huh?
Yes it's a fob instead of a key that you'd turn. At 0:33 in this video they talk about the fobs. The neighbor says that the door doesn't automatically lock, but every fob system that I have seen has doors that automatically lock.
I hate to make this general remark because it is not 100% true. There are many sick/disturbed (psychopath personality) children who become police officers just so they can shoot and kill. I have no idea what was going on in the case above or whether the man that was shot was guilty. I don't know how the jury acquitted of murder because I would have failed his commands and I don't drink. That policeman looks like a murderer.
Right now, I wouldn't call police if I was in a home invasion. I have better chance with the criminal. I have zero respect for them now. Sorry for anyone who is an actual police officer. I'm not going to try. A couple of years ago I called the police to help escort a mentally ill person to the hospital. The police was telling me he had not beat someone in months and he would love to do that right now. The mentally ill person was not acting out in that way. That was towards another white person. He probably would have became violent if it was a black person.
I like and respect the job of firefighters and EMS personnel though.