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Feds Raid California ‘maternity Hotels’ For Birth Tourists

Discussion in 'News - Breaking News & Political Forum' started by NappyNelle, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. Farida

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    Many of the folks who run into this problem are visa overstays. Until they get their green cards they cannot leave the country because exiting the country after you overstay your visa triggers a 10-year bar from returning. So they choose to marry here and get their green cards so they can legally enter and exit the country without triggering the bar. That is why they choose to get married without their parents.

    Even on 90-day fiancee they had to skype one woman's wedding because her parents were denied visas.

    It happens ALL the time. It is a loophole used by people who violate visa laws.

    I am all for equal enforcement of the law. My beef is when it comes to the issuing of visas by the consulates and embassies overseas it is done on a disparate basis. Africans, Caribbean folks will get denied for visas being issued freely to Chinese folks who violate visa laws just as much if not more than others.

    Try and get a student visa as an African and your chances for denial are high even with a college acceptance and proof of finances to pay because the embassy does not believe you will go home after you graduate. But 90% of Chinese students never go back home and they get their visas approved all the time.
     
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    @RUBY

    Technically birth tourism is legal. There is nothing in the law that says you cannot come here for the sole purpose of giving birth. Where people get into trouble with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), is fraud. It is not legal to obtain a visa by fraud and misrepresentation. And it is illegal to run a business where you advise women on how to lie to and evade immigration so they can give birth here. So the feds raid them not because birth tourism is illegal but rather because it is illegal to help people circumvent immigration laws through fraud and willful misrepresentation.

    If you tell the consulate/embassy or CBP at the port of entry that you are coming here for the sole purpose of having a U.S. citizen child they are highly likely not to issue the visa/let you in. Moreso at the visa issuance rather than at the port of entry. That's because at the port they may be concerned about sending a pregnant woman back home when she could give birth soon. However, at the embassy they would likely (not always) deny your visa especially if you're on their unpublished list of non-preferred nations. That is because to get a tourist visa you have to prove you are NOT an intending immigrant. If you are coming to the U.S. to give birth to a U.S. citizen child the consular officer can legally make the inference that you are an intending immigrant and deny your visa on that basis. They are not denying you because you are going to give birth but because by going to give birth they deduce you intend on moving. One common exception is women who can establish that they have a medical condition and are coming to see a medical specialist in the U.S. for a complicated pregnancy/birth treatment they cannot receive back home.

    That's why people push for the revocation of jus soli - the legal principle that you are a citizen by birth on U.S. territory. And until congress passes a law expressly making birth tourism illegal, it technically is not.
     
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  3. Honey Bee

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    So, why yall making it sound like a terrible tragedy? o_O Running a hustle is sometimes uncomfortable.

    I'm not especially sympathetic to the woes of foreign blacks trynna get student visas. (The apathy seems to go both ways. Have yall been following the Cornell mess? I didn't see a thread. :look:) And I don't think they going home either. :look: Further, China has a completely different relationship with the US than that between us and the various black countries. Buy some t-bonds and they might lighten up. :look:
     
  4. MissNina

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    And this is why I'm moderate. I'm pretty much with Republicans on the majority of immigration issues. This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous.

    Asians and Russians are so racist it's not even funny. But, of course, we need more racists in America. Why not :rolleyes:
     
  5. RUBY

    RUBY Well-Known Member

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    Its a deal. :pepper: I'm gonna add you to my list of options. :bouncy: :bounceline:
     
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    I thought an anchor baby was a baby a man tricks you into having so you’re less likely to leave...
     
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    Why?
     
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    nope. anchor baby has always been going to a country like the US or UK right a few months before you're due to secure that citizenship for your baby. Then they return to their country after the baby is born. They live with family members or family friends while in that country. White people and the new generations might be trying to call something else anchor baby but that's always been the meaning.
     
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    My thoughts exactly.
     
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    Learn something new everyday. I’ll still use the yt definition too...because it’s fun.
     
  11. FelaShrine

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    agreed
     
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    technically why should she be?

    I don't understand defending the chinese however.

    what happened in Cornell?
     
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    I'm not at all defending the Chinese. Idgaf. I'm just saying, if yall being treated different, that may be why. The Chinese are shareholders. :look:

    re Cornell. A black student ended up bloody after an altercation with some white frat boys. They also used the n word. The BSU responded with a list of demands for the administration, including a request for more AA's specifically. This is what happened.

    I can't find the original article I read with the WI/ Caribbean and African students' response, but basically, they checked the AA students and made them retract the 'demand'. Apparently, it's cool for foreign blacks to advocate for themselves to get more access to opportunities in our country but not us. That's not the behavior of an ally. So, no, I'm not at all sympathetic to their pain bc they/ yall don't seem especially sympathetic to ours.
     
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    Hmm. I don't want to get into a fight over this so I will keep it short.
    If we keep fighting each other for stuff, we forget the mission which to me is having us all thrive. I,personally think the betterment of ALL black people should be the mission but for some reason Cornell makes it seem like giving to one will take away from another.
     
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    I feel sorta like this is an on-topic segue bc, here on this board, we don't have no Chinese or Russians. :lol:

    The thing is, the American pie for bp is not infinite. AA's, through much pain, blood, and travail, have been allocated a percentage of the pie. So, being that foreign blacks don't seem to be working extra hard to expand the pie, we all eating and dividing up AA pie. Which would be fine if my people weren't living in a 1st world nation in 3rd world conditions (as according to the UN). AA's can't afford to give away any pie. (Meanwhile, yall got a whole continent and mad islands worth of pie and ain't sharing...)
     
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    Nobody is stopping you from coming over. Infact...
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/african-americans-moving-africa-180116092736345.html
     
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    My sister in law’s mother did this in Canada. I’ve even heard of Americans doing this in Canada for the free healthcare.
     
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    Chile...............
     
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    Very well said.
     
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    That's fine and i wont disagree, my thing is how did a situation between a black student vs white frats boys become a situation of american black vs foreign black? I see more focus on the latter in the article than what caused the issue in the first place.

    It could have been its own topic, just seems to be hiding behind the whole white frat situation.
     
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    I think they used the incident as a way to gain more leverage with the administration ie, the demands. Political capital has an expiration date.
     
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    :look: So my airbnb is up and running now :look:
     
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    Every country has different immigration laws that people exploit all the time... People keep comparing the US to other countries who have eliminated this law... but in many of those other countries, you can earn citizenship by schooling, working, and paying taxes for X number of years. The US has no such law... hence why you have folks like me who have paid taxes for 17+ years but have zero benefits. Why does it bother you who gives birth here? Are they taking any benefits from you that affect your bottom line?
     
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    Great.

    Now, I just need to work on the baby making process :look:
     
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    I’m planning my baby’s birth in Finland. Not trying to die in childbirth just because I’m black.


     
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