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Feds Raid California ‘maternity Hotels’ For Birth Tourists

Farida

Well-Known Member
If my own mother couldn't come to the country I wanted to get married in, I'd get married in another country.

Many of the folks who run into this problem are visa overstays. Until they get their green cards they cannot leave the country because exiting the country after you overstay your visa triggers a 10-year bar from returning. So they choose to marry here and get their green cards so they can legally enter and exit the country without triggering the bar. That is why they choose to get married without their parents.

Even on 90-day fiancee they had to skype one woman's wedding because her parents were denied visas.

It happens ALL the time. It is a loophole used by people who violate visa laws.

I am all for equal enforcement of the law. My beef is when it comes to the issuing of visas by the consulates and embassies overseas it is done on a disparate basis. Africans, Caribbean folks will get denied for visas being issued freely to Chinese folks who violate visa laws just as much if not more than others.

Try and get a student visa as an African and your chances for denial are high even with a college acceptance and proof of finances to pay because the embassy does not believe you will go home after you graduate. But 90% of Chinese students never go back home and they get their visas approved all the time.
 

Farida

Well-Known Member
That is not correct. First of all, no visas will be given if you say you are coming for the sole purpose of giving birth, unless you have a special kind of high rissk pregnancy and are going to be seen by a special US doctor who handle this type of high risk birth. I had a relative who was able to get a visa for this express purpose.

Birth tourism is not a legal practice in theUS. If it were, the feds would not be raiding maternity hotels.
That is not correct. First of all, no visas will be given if you say you are coming for the sole purpose of giving birth, unless you have a special kind of high rissk pregnancy and are going to be seen by a special US doctor who handle this type of high risk birth. I had a relative who was able to get a visa for this express purpose.

Birth tourism is not a legal practice in theUS. If it were, the feds would not be raiding maternity hotels.

@RUBY

Technically birth tourism is legal. There is nothing in the law that says you cannot come here for the sole purpose of giving birth. Where people get into trouble with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), is fraud. It is not legal to obtain a visa by fraud and misrepresentation. And it is illegal to run a business where you advise women on how to lie to and evade immigration so they can give birth here. So the feds raid them not because birth tourism is illegal but rather because it is illegal to help people circumvent immigration laws through fraud and willful misrepresentation.

If you tell the consulate/embassy or CBP at the port of entry that you are coming here for the sole purpose of having a U.S. citizen child they are highly likely not to issue the visa/let you in. Moreso at the visa issuance rather than at the port of entry. That's because at the port they may be concerned about sending a pregnant woman back home when she could give birth soon. However, at the embassy they would likely (not always) deny your visa especially if you're on their unpublished list of non-preferred nations. That is because to get a tourist visa you have to prove you are NOT an intending immigrant. If you are coming to the U.S. to give birth to a U.S. citizen child the consular officer can legally make the inference that you are an intending immigrant and deny your visa on that basis. They are not denying you because you are going to give birth but because by going to give birth they deduce you intend on moving. One common exception is women who can establish that they have a medical condition and are coming to see a medical specialist in the U.S. for a complicated pregnancy/birth treatment they cannot receive back home.

That's why people push for the revocation of jus soli - the legal principle that you are a citizen by birth on U.S. territory. And until congress passes a law expressly making birth tourism illegal, it technically is not.
 

Honey Bee

Well-Known Member
Many of the folks who run into this problem are visa overstays. Until they get their green cards they cannot leave the country because exiting the country after you overstay your visa triggers a 10-year bar from returning. So they choose to marry here and get their green cards so they can legally enter and exit the country without triggering the bar. That is why they choose to get married without their parents.

Even on 90-day fiancee they had to skype one woman's wedding because her parents were denied visas.

It happens ALL the time. It is a loophole used by people who violate visa laws.

I am all for equal enforcement of the law. My beef is when it comes to the issuing of visas by the consulates and embassies overseas it is done on a disparate basis. Africans, Caribbean folks will get denied for visas being issued freely to Chinese folks who violate visa laws just as much if not more than others.

Try and get a student visa as an African and your chances for denial are high even with a college acceptance and proof of finances to pay because the embassy does not believe you will go home after you graduate. But 90% of Chinese students never go back home and they get their visas approved all the time.
So, why yall making it sound like a terrible tragedy? o_O Running a hustle is sometimes uncomfortable.

I'm not especially sympathetic to the woes of foreign blacks trynna get student visas. (The apathy seems to go both ways. Have yall been following the Cornell mess? I didn't see a thread. :look:) And I don't think they going home either. :look: Further, China has a completely different relationship with the US than that between us and the various black countries. Buy some t-bonds and they might lighten up. :look:
 

Shiks

Well-Known Member
I'm not especially sympathetic to the woes of foreign blacks trynna get student visas. (The apathy seems to go both ways. Have yall been following the Cornell mess? I didn't see a thread. :look:) And I don't think they going home either. :look: Further, China has a completely different relationship with the US than that between us and the various black countries. Buy some t-bonds and they might lighten up. :look:
Why?
 

GeorginaSparks

Well-Known Member
I thought an anchor baby was a baby a man tricks you into having so you’re less likely to leave...
nope. anchor baby has always been going to a country like the US or UK right a few months before you're due to secure that citizenship for your baby. Then they return to their country after the baby is born. They live with family members or family friends while in that country. White people and the new generations might be trying to call something else anchor baby but that's always been the meaning.
 

quirkydimples

Well-Known Member
nope. anchor baby has always been going to a country like the US or UK right a few months before you're due to secure that citizenship for your baby. Then they return to their country after the baby is born. They live with family members or family friends while in that country. White people and the new generations might be trying to call something else anchor baby but that's always been the meaning.
Learn something new everyday. I’ll still use the yt definition too...because it’s fun.
 

Honey Bee

Well-Known Member
technically why should she be?

I don't understand defending the chinese however.

what happened in Cornell?
I'm not at all defending the Chinese. Idgaf. I'm just saying, if yall being treated different, that may be why. The Chinese are shareholders. :look:

re Cornell. A black student ended up bloody after an altercation with some white frat boys. They also used the n word. The BSU responded with a list of demands for the administration, including a request for more AA's specifically. This is what happened.

Black Students United Responds to Controversy Over Demand

Black Students United issued a statement on Thursday “apologizing for the delay in response” after one of the 12 demands delivered to President Martha Pollack last month was met with increased controversy, both on and off campus.

The BSU demand, which was not retracted or changed in the statement, called on the Cornell admissions office to increase the presence of “underrepresented Black students,” which it defined as African Americans who have been in the country for more than two generations.

BSU argued in the demands that although international or first generation Caribbean and African students have “a right to flourish” at the University, “Cornell must work to actively support students whose families have been impacted for generations by white supremacy and American fascism.”

“There is a lack of investment in Black students whose families were affected directly by the African Holocaust in America,” the original demand said.


This was considered contradictory by many people both on and off campus.

“Black Student Group Complains Ivy League School Is Letting In Too Many African Students” read a headline from The Daily Caller.

Similar articles critical of the demand also ran in the Atlanta Black Star and Townhall.

“The purpose of the demand was specifically to address the need for an increased presence of underrepresented Black American students at Cornell,” the statement, issued on BSU’s Facebook page, said. “However, upon further reflection and contemplation, we understand both the complexity and contentious nature of our statement, as well as the frustration and anger that was felt by our community as a consequence of our demand.”

The Thursday statement added that BSU aims to support “all members of the African diaspora” and said that it was encouraging dialogue with campus groups to resolve the issue.

“We are a board comprised of Africans, Caribbeans, and Black Americans. We have and continue to reach out to African and Caribbean groups on campus in the spirit of dialogue and discussion surrounding this topic,” the statement said.

The statement also highlighted BSU’s hopes to launch a community discussion during Homecoming weekend when their alumni return to campus.

BSU delivered the demands to Pollack following a racially charged incident in which a black junior said he was punched in the face and called the N-word by a group of white men.

Pollack has taken steps to fulfill some of the demands, announcing the leaders, goals and timeframe of a presidential task force as well as by commissioning four new clinical staff members for the Counseling And Psychological Service.

Members of BSU did not respond to a request for comment.

http://cornellsun.com/2017/10/13/black-students-united-respond-to-controversy-over-demand/

I can't find the original article I read with the WI/ Caribbean and African students' response, but basically, they checked the AA students and made them retract the 'demand'. Apparently, it's cool for foreign blacks to advocate for themselves to get more access to opportunities in our country but not us. That's not the behavior of an ally. So, no, I'm not at all sympathetic to their pain bc they/ yall don't seem especially sympathetic to ours.
 

Shiks

Well-Known Member
I can't find the original article I read with the WI/ Caribbean and African students' response, but basically, they checked the AA students and made them retract the 'demand'. Apparently, it's cool for foreign blacks to advocate for themselves to get more access to opportunities in our country but not us. That's not the behavior of an ally. So, no, I'm not at all sympathetic to their pain bc they/ yall don't seem especially sympathetic to ours.
Hmm. I don't want to get into a fight over this so I will keep it short.
If we keep fighting each other for stuff, we forget the mission which to me is having us all thrive. I,personally think the betterment of ALL black people should be the mission but for some reason Cornell makes it seem like giving to one will take away from another.
 

Honey Bee

Well-Known Member
Hmm. I don't want to get into a fight over this so I will keep it short.
If we keep fighting each other for stuff, we forget the mission which to me is having us all thrive. I,personally think the betterment of ALL black people should be the mission but for some reason Cornell makes it seem like giving to one will take away from another.
I feel sorta like this is an on-topic segue bc, here on this board, we don't have no Chinese or Russians. :lol:

The thing is, the American pie for bp is not infinite. AA's, through much pain, blood, and travail, have been allocated a percentage of the pie. So, being that foreign blacks don't seem to be working extra hard to expand the pie, we all eating and dividing up AA pie. Which would be fine if my people weren't living in a 1st world nation in 3rd world conditions (as according to the UN). AA's can't afford to give away any pie. (Meanwhile, yall got a whole continent and mad islands worth of pie and ain't sharing...)
 

Shiks

Well-Known Member
I feel sorta like this is an on-topic segue bc, here on this board, we don't have no Chinese or Russians. :lol:

The thing is, the American pie for bp is not infinite. AA's, through much pain, blood, and travail, have been allocated a percentage of the pie. So, being that foreign blacks don't seem to be working extra hard to expand the pie, we all eating and dividing up AA pie. Which would be fine if my people weren't living in a 1st world nation in 3rd world conditions (as according to the UN). AA's can't afford to give away any pie. (Meanwhile, yall got a whole continent and mad islands worth of pie and ain't sharing...)
Nobody is stopping you from coming over. Infact...
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/african-americans-moving-africa-180116092736345.html
 

PuddingPop

Well-Known Member
I feel sorta like this is an on-topic segue bc, here on this board, we don't have no Chinese or Russians. :lol:

The thing is, the American pie for bp is not infinite. AA's, through much pain, blood, and travail, have been allocated a percentage of the pie. So, being that foreign blacks don't seem to be working extra hard to expand the pie, we all eating and dividing up AA pie. Which would be fine if my people weren't living in a 1st world nation in 3rd world conditions (as according to the UN). AA's can't afford to give away any pie. (Meanwhile, yall got a whole continent and mad islands worth of pie and ain't sharing...)

Very well said.
 

FelaShrine

Well-Known Member
I'm not at all defending the Chinese. Idgaf. I'm just saying, if yall being treated different, that may be why. The Chinese are shareholders. :look:

re Cornell. A black student ended up bloody after an altercation with some white frat boys. They also used the n word. The BSU responded with a list of demands for the administration, including a request for more AA's specifically. This is what happened.



I can't find the original article I read with the WI/ Caribbean and African students' response, but basically, they checked the AA students and made them retract the 'demand'. Apparently, it's cool for foreign blacks to advocate for themselves to get more access to opportunities in our country but not us. That's not the behavior of an ally. So, no, I'm not at all sympathetic to their pain bc they/ yall don't seem especially sympathetic to ours.

That's fine and i wont disagree, my thing is how did a situation between a black student vs white frats boys become a situation of american black vs foreign black? I see more focus on the latter in the article than what caused the issue in the first place.

It could have been its own topic, just seems to be hiding behind the whole white frat situation.
 

silverbuttons

Not Impressed
That's fine and i wont disagree, my thing is how did a situation between a black student vs white frats boys become a situation of american black vs foreign black? I see more focus on the latter in the article than what caused the issue in the first place.

It could have been its own topic, just seems to be hiding behind the whole white frat situation.

I think they used the incident as a way to gain more leverage with the administration ie, the demands. Political capital has an expiration date.
 

JudithO

Well-Known Member
Every country has different immigration laws that people exploit all the time... People keep comparing the US to other countries who have eliminated this law... but in many of those other countries, you can earn citizenship by schooling, working, and paying taxes for X number of years. The US has no such law... hence why you have folks like me who have paid taxes for 17+ years but have zero benefits. Why does it bother you who gives birth here? Are they taking any benefits from you that affect your bottom line?
 
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