For natural hair: how often should I use protein conditioners? Clue me in!

Discussion in 'Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion' started by Roselyn, Dec 29, 2004.

  1. Roselyn

    Roselyn New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2004
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Michigan, USA
    Okay, I'm new the whole 'natural' hair thing, as many of you may know. So I'm gonna need a little help/advice. How often should one condition with protein? Not as often as one with relaxed hair, right? How often do YOU protein condition? I was also wonderning, as I've begun to experience, natural hair has a harder time absorbing moisture than that of relaxed hair. Also, would I be able to brush again, if so, what brush would prove to be the best kind? I never brushed with my relaxed hair, but I know that since my hair a different texture, it can be treated differently and has its different needs as well. So, can you ladies help me out here. I'm just trying to find the best way to care for my hair. I've also found out that my hair has a cork-screw pattern to it. So cute! I really don't remember what my natural hair looked like 'cause I've been getting my hair relaxed since before I can remember (maybe four-years-old? somewhere aroung there). Please, clue me in here on the advice. Thanx a lot!
     
  2. OnceUponAtime

    OnceUponAtime New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2003
    Messages:
    2,848
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    The "How U Doin'?" State
    It's hard to say, because it depends on how much your hair likes or dislikes protein. Some protein conditioners like Keraphix or Motions CPR, can be used weekly for some people. Then there are protein treatments that are not conditioners at all. Some of those are strong and should only be used every six to eight weeks tops.

    My hair likes protein, so I use a hardcore treatment (Aphogee or DRC28) every 6-8 weeks and a conditioner (Keraphix) every two weeks in between.
     
  3. pookeylou

    pookeylou New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2003
    Messages:
    2,047
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I dont really use protein. I wonder if I should use it at all. How would I know?
     
  4. ThickHair

    ThickHair New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2003
    Messages:
    22,015
    Likes Received:
    53,248
    Trophy Points:
    0
    My hair dislikes a lot of protein so I don't use it. My hair is fine.
     
  5. mkstar826

    mkstar826 supersonic

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2004
    Messages:
    1,524
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    10ac
    If you want to use one regularly, I think once a month is fine. Unless you use heat a lot or constantly style/manipulate your hair, I think that will do. If you ever start to notice more breakage then definitely try it out and see if that helps.

    I think you should only really use it when you feel like your hair needs to be strengthened though...otherwise moisturizing conditioners should suffice.
     
  6. laketta

    laketta New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2003
    Messages:
    1,714
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    New York, USA
    My hair hates protein. I would say not to use it unless you use a lot of heat to straighten it because over time, too much heat weakens your hair and the point of protein is to strengten and thicken your hair.
     
  7. deedabug

    deedabug New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2004
    Messages:
    1,781
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    i do it once a week...i put it in with my deep conditioner which now is a mix of suave humectant and honey and olive oil and some cholesterol(hey i was experimenting lol) my protein is vo5 blueberries and cream...its not much of it in my mix...doin protein alone in the summer was not cool...

    for brushes the boar bristle it doesnt tear the hair out as much and is great for smoothing

    with absorbin moisture i think it will take some time for your hair and u to get used to the change of being natural...
     
  8. Chinagem

    Chinagem Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    7,812
    Likes Received:
    9,644
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well nobody mentioned anything about brushes. I know a lot of people use brushes by Denman like D3 or D4 but as far as I know, they use it for detangling when the hair is wet only. I personally use a brush only when my hair is wet and never at any other time. I don't use protein as I have not needed any since I've been natural.
     
  9. shawniegee

    shawniegee New Cut for '09

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2004
    Messages:
    3,886
    Likes Received:
    891
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    My hair hate hard core protein treatments....aphogee,nexxus emergencee. Maybe Surge and Salerm is enough. I've had success with Aubrey GPB.
     
  10. LegallySpeaking

    LegallySpeaking New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2004
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    The City of Angels
    I've seen several people say that their hair hates protein. How do you know that your hair hates protein ... what does it do?
     
  11. SVT

    SVT Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2002
    Messages:
    6,362
    Likes Received:
    2,078
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    patrollin, tryin 2 catch'em postin dirtay!
    I do a protein treatment about every other week and also before and after thermal straightening. My hair seems to respond well to milk proteins so I use Aubrey GPB usually combined with coconut milk.

    I save the hardcore, keratin or animal protein treatments for use after thermal straightening.

    ETA: I use a boar bristle brush for smoothing down my hair when it's pulled back.
     
  12. Dare~to~Dream

    Dare~to~Dream New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2004
    Messages:
    6,958
    Likes Received:
    1,935
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seeking A New Reality
    My hair can't get enough protein. I use a deep conditioner {contains mild protein} at least once a week and every six weeks I use Aphogee. As a matter of fact, I just did one today along with a clear rinse. Since I've been using the hardcore protein treatments, I notice that when the 6 week mark comes around my hair is more tangly or it sheds/breaks more...that's how I know that I need the protein and that it's time for another treatment {I keep it marked on my calendar also}. My hair is fine and fragile so the treatments help keep it strong with less tangling and shedding.
     
  13. PhonyBaloney500

    PhonyBaloney500 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2004
    Messages:
    6,880
    Likes Received:
    2,701
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    NYC

    Which mild protein? :)
     
  14. NGC

    NGC New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2003
    Messages:
    648
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    GA
    For the longest time, I didn't think my hair needed protein. But I was sooooo wrong. I did the omnipak two weeks ago and my hair has been scrumptious ever since (ummm except for a henna and indigo incident). I think for me, it like protein because my hair is really fine, as in small strands (especially around the edges) and protein treatments kinda shore up the strength of the individual strands.

    I am devising my 2005 regime and plan on doing a heavy duty protein treatment at least once every two months and the henna and indigo treatment once every six months (maybe more often).

    I might do a mild protein treatment every month.
     
  15. CocoaButterflyy

    CocoaButterflyy New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2003
    Messages:
    1,128
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NY & DC
    I rarely use protein (maybe every other month if that) so I'm not the best to give advice in that area but I like Aveda's protein conditioner when I do use it... What kind of moisturizer are you using because my hair sucks up moisture.... As far as brushes I have a Denman, I'm not sure of the model number but there is a pic of it in my original album. When brushing remember to start from your ends and move up
     
  16. Country gal

    Country gal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2002
    Messages:
    28,153
    Likes Received:
    8,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    neverland
    I used the Elucence Protein conditioner last weekend. Is that considered hard core.
     
  17. CharUK

    CharUK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    2,646
    Likes Received:
    569
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I wondered this too.

    x
     
  18. Dare~to~Dream

    Dare~to~Dream New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2004
    Messages:
    6,958
    Likes Received:
    1,935
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seeking A New Reality
    I use Ultra Black Hair {Deep} Conditioner. Some people do not consider it a mild protein conditioner but I do because it's definitely milder than the Aphogee treatment.
     
  19. PhonyBaloney500

    PhonyBaloney500 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2004
    Messages:
    6,880
    Likes Received:
    2,701
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    NYC
    Thank you Lanelle! :)
     
  20. Dare~to~Dream

    Dare~to~Dream New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2004
    Messages:
    6,958
    Likes Received:
    1,935
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seeking A New Reality
    No problem...
     
  21. Ayeshia

    Ayeshia New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2003
    Messages:
    10,642
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Western New York
    i was using Aubrey GPB avery other week until I ran out, now I use ORS hair Mayo every other week or when I can remember :)
     
  22. Poohbear

    Poohbear FearfullyWonderfullyMade

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    Messages:
    21,021
    Likes Received:
    15,183
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The Black Mecca
    interesting u say this... by your screen name, i thought you would have thick hair! Hee-hee! :D

    I have fine textured hair too; I guess when I go completely natural, protein shouldn't be a regular thing. I wonder if I really need to be doing protein treatments now. I never used one before joining this forum and my hair didn't have any problems. :scratchch Hmmm... now I have a question that I might start for a thread!
     
  23. SVT

    SVT Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2002
    Messages:
    6,362
    Likes Received:
    2,078
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    patrollin, tryin 2 catch'em postin dirtay!
    My individual strands are fine also but the total number of them make my hair appear thick.

    This is one reason I don't go to stylists anymore. They frequently equate thick hair as requiring strong chemicals, more processing time, greater tension, etc., not realizing that those methods are inappropriate for thin, fine strands.
     
  24. jetcitygirl

    jetcitygirl Smeller of roses

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2003
    Messages:
    251
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Pacific NW-USA
    My hair responds well to protein and I think that is because it is fine and the protein helps strengthen the strands and protect then from excess weathering, and from the potential damaging effects of the semi-permanent color that I use (although I have not observed any damage from my current brand of color). I use Parnevue Hair Mayonaise as a DC every month or so. And I'll use my Aubrey Organics GBP as a conditioner-wash maybe every couple weeks. How much protein to use really depends on your styling methods and personal needs. Some naturals need more than others.

    In general natural hair does not absorb water (or other products) as fast as relaxed hair because it is not as porous as relaxed hair. The relaxer permanetly alters the chemical bonds of the hair in order to straighten it.

    Brushing is best done with caution. Again some people have no problem with it (like me) and others say that it thins the edges or breaks their hair. The Denman brush is good for detangling wet hair and great for removing shed hair especially if your hair is thick or you go several days inbetween combing as many naturals to. For dry or damp hair I'd recommend a boar-bristle brush that has been softened in warm water before brushing. I like to use a hair-strengthing spray before I brush my wet hair into a ponytail.
     
  25. Sharpened

    Sharpened A fleck on His Sword

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Messages:
    1,683
    Likes Received:
    453
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I had the exact same problem. Why is that? Laziness? Just do not care? Not being taught about seeing the actual hair strands themselves? This is why strand tests are extremely important.
     
  26. Poohbear

    Poohbear FearfullyWonderfullyMade

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    Messages:
    21,021
    Likes Received:
    15,183
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The Black Mecca
    That's so true. I think I read a site about a myth related to this. The myth was that black people's hair can handle rough treatment which is so untrue since we have one of the most fragile hair in the world. :)
     
  27. Kengne

    Kengne New Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2003
    Messages:
    114
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0

    My hair HATES proteins in any shape or form e.g. glycerin spray, conditioner, deep treatment etc...l! Let me explain...When i first went natural I was all on the Abba Nourishing tip. It's a protein leave-in conditioner which had fantastic raves.

    However whenever I used it on my hair...wet or dry...it left my hair feeling crispier & crunchier than ever!! same thing with glycerin sprays e.g. Carefree Curl left me with crispy crunchy curls! *ugh*. And heaven FORBID I do another protein deep treatment *shakes hea*. all i use is Lekair and Queen helene cholestoral and my hair LOVES it.

    I also have fine, but very dense hair.
     
  28. Roselyn

    Roselyn New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2004
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Michigan, USA
    Thanx for the advice. There's a whole lot of different methods here and all ver helpful too. I think I'll spare myself the brush for a while, My hair's too short for that anyway right now. Thanx again, ladies.
     
  29. Country gal

    Country gal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2002
    Messages:
    28,153
    Likes Received:
    8,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    neverland
    Bumpity bump
     
  30. honeycomb719

    honeycomb719 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2003
    Messages:
    5,819
    Likes Received:
    137
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Avon, OH via DETROIT



    SOOOO true, I totally agree. This too is why I stopped going :perplexed .
    My hair is the same way, appears thick,but really the strand are thin...
     

Share This Page