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Gaza Under Attack

Rastafarai

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I have a JD but the bar in California is ridiculously hard to pass. Bar exam results recently came out and 37% passed. It's crazy. I would happily volunteer my time to research case law or something. Research was always where I shone best and what I love doing. Especially in a situation like this. I'm uncomfortable sitting and doing nothing.

I am sure there are ways to get involved even if not barred. Your JD can still be used. Any information I find, I will certainly share.
 

Rastafarai

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I’m embarrassed to admit this but when these discussions come up I’m never sure who’s right because there’s so much history and people tend to have strong biases.

What are good sources (preferably by uninvolved third parties) of info to educate myself? Nothing against the articles posted in this thread but I’m trying to understand the conflict in general terms before examining it in terms of Black people.

There are many resources out there, as I'm also interested in understanding the history behind this conflict. I've just recently ordered a book mentioned upthread that was written by an Israeli professor, Ilan Pappé entitled "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine". I researched his background and his involvement in trying to promote peace in the region. It's telling that even an Israeli Jew is involved in trying to explain the history of his people and their treatment of Palestine and its people.

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Professor Pappé obtained his BA degree from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem in 1979 and the D. Phil from the University of Oxford in 1984.

He founded and directed the Academic Institute for Peace in Givat Haviva, Israel between 1992 to 2000 and was the Chair of the Emil Tuma Institute for Palestine Studies in Haifa between 2000 and 2006.

Professor Pappé was a senior lecturer in the department of Middle Eastern History and the Department of Political Science in Haifa University, Israel between 1984 and 2006.

He was appointed as chair in the department of History in the Cornwall Campus, 2007-2009 and became a fellow of the IAIS in 2010.

His research focuses on the modern Middle East and in particular the history of Israel and Palestine. He has also written on multiculturalism, Critical Discourse Analysis and on Power and Knowledge in general.

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Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
I’m embarrassed to admit this but when these discussions come up I’m never sure who’s right because there’s so much history and people tend to have strong biases.

What are good sources (preferably by uninvolved third parties) of info to educate myself? Nothing against the articles posted in this thread but I’m trying to understand the conflict in general terms before examining it in terms of Black people.
There's always some bias but American and European educational institutions discussing the timelines along with historically confirmed accounts of what each side actually did with the least amount of Jews, Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims or Hoteps in the credits are your best bet. This is one of the few cases where just having reg deg white people tell the story cuts to the chase.
 

Rastafarai

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So Israel went ahead to make the brilliant decision to destroy a building housing media outfits AP and Al Jazeera. Israel's claim? That the building housed Hamas military intelligence assets. AP states otherwise, asking for evidence. Israel has yet to provide it.

AP President and CEO Gary Pruitt has released the following statement, understanding that ultimately this is about preventing the media from revealing the genocide that is happening:

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"We are shocked and horrified that the Israeli military would target and destroy the building housing AP’s bureau and other news organizations in Gaza. They have long known the location of our bureau and knew journalists were there. We received a warning that the building would be hit.

The Israeli government says the building contained Hamas military intelligence assets. We have called on the Israeli government to put forward the evidence. AP’s bureau has been in this building for 15 years. We have had no indication Hamas was in the building or active in the building. This is something we actively check to the best of our ability. We would never knowingly put our journalists at risk.

We are seeking information from the Israeli government and are engaged with the U.S. State Department to try to learn more.

This is an incredibly disturbing development. We narrowly avoided a terrible loss of life. A dozen AP journalists and freelancers were inside the building and thankfully we were able to evacuate them in time.

The world will know less about what is happening in Gaza because of what happened today."


 
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Rastafarai

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UN Security Council to meet today to "discuss" the ongoing conflict. Mass protests have occurred throughout several cities in the United States including New York, Boston, Washington, and Michigan and several countries. Some images throughout the world yesterday:

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Rastafarai

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This is renowned surgeon Dr. Ayman Abu Al Auf. Assistant Professor of Internal Medicine and section head at Shifa Hospital in Gaza. The most important hospital for Palestinians.⁣

He was a LEGEND and a close partner to Doctors Without Borders. Many of their doctors have posted about him. ⁣

Israel killed him. ⁣
And blew up the roads to the hospital. ⁣
A war crime. And just evil.⁣

And they killed his mother. ⁣
And his aunt. ⁣
And they killed all of his children except one 16 year old boy who survived. ⁣

Those are his colleagues in the other picture who held prayers and a funeral outside of the hospital. ⁣

This is genocide.⁣
It’s Apartheid. ⁣
It’s criminal. ⁣

They murdered him and his family. ⁣

It’s nothing less than that.

RIP Dr. Ayman Abu Al Auf.

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Black Ambrosia

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This is renowned surgeon Dr. Ayman Abu Al Auf. Assistant Professor of Internal Medicine and section head at Shifa Hospital in Gaza. The most important hospital for Palestinians.⁣

He was a LEGEND and a close partner to Doctors Without Borders. Many of their doctors have posted about him. ⁣

Israel killed him. ⁣
And blew up the roads to the hospital. ⁣
A war crime. And just evil.⁣

And they killed his mother. ⁣
And his aunt. ⁣
And they killed all of his children except one 16 year old boy who survived. ⁣

Those are his colleagues in the other picture who held prayers and a funeral outside of the hospital. ⁣

This is genocide.⁣
It’s Apartheid. ⁣
It’s criminal. ⁣

They murdered him and his family. ⁣

It’s nothing less than that.

RIP Dr. Ayman Abu Al Auf.

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Are they saying he had ties to Hamas? I can’t wrap my mind around an explanation for this level of retribution.
 

Black Ambrosia

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There has been no evidence of such. Extermination needs no explanation. Just silence from the world.

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I have no vested interest or bias and I’m not trying to explain savagery. I’ve already said I don’t know enough about the conflict but I know there are layers and death on both sides. I’m just trying to get context for what’s happening.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
If Israel wanted the Palestinians exterminated the Palestinians would be dead already. It could have been done anytime between 1967 and today.

So stop turning a war over land into something it’s not.
 

Rastafarai

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I have no vested interest or bias and I’m not trying to explain savagery. I’ve already said I don’t know enough about the conflict but I know there are layers and death on both sides. I’m just trying to get context for what’s happening.

Understood, but you do certainly note and identified it for what it is: savagery. If Israel can decide to bomb an entire building housing media outlets and journalists with short notice, they can certainly go about exterminating Palestinian men, women and children who have no direct ties to Hamas.

I await hearing from the Security Council on next steps. Apparently Finland, Sweden, Ireland and China are advocating for immediate ceasefire to prevent further deaths. Some nations have called for economic sanctions. Similar calls were made against apartheid in South Africa.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
First thing to understand is Hamas is an elected political party, not some random unorganized street gang. Hamas is on some Trump :censored: as far as not caring about body counts cuz that keeps the base hype.

Status Report 5/16/21

Israel to Hamas: Stop launching rockets at Jewish cities and we will stop dropping on buildings we think that you are controlling the launching the rockets from.

Hamas to Israel : Nah

Israel to Hamas: Have it your way.

If the air strikes were an extermination, Gaza would be leveled with no terms of engagement.

As for the charge that there’s a difference between launching rockets vs dropping bombs: Would that perspective change if the rockets were being launched at the U.S? If Mexico launched rockets at Texas or California, who here would care what kind of smoke they got back in return? Especially considering the response to planes flown into buildings.
 

discodumpling

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Ladies, for my whole life this conflict has been going on. I ask now what I asked my Daddy at 5...what does this have to do with US? I really have a predetermined amount of effs to give for non Black issues. Why should my effs be used here?
The Jews estimated 100yrs to eliminate the Palestinians and their ancestral lands and it seems that they're right on schedule...
As I'm typing the Israeli govt is expelling Black people from the country. For what?? They don't even know. American Hebrew Jews, Ethiopian Falasha Jews who consider that place their home are being unceremoniously uprooted. So again I ask why should I care about this Israeli Palestinian conflict?
 

Rastafarai

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Ladies, for my whole life this conflict has been going on. I ask now what I asked my Daddy at 5...what does this have to do with US? I really have a predetermined amount of effs to give for non Black issues. Why should my effs be used here?
The Jews estimated 100yrs to eliminate the Palestinians and their ancestral lands and it seems that they're right on schedule...
As I'm typing the Israeli govt is expelling Black people from the country. For what?? They don't even know. American Hebrew Jews, Ethiopian Falasha Jews who consider that place their home are being unceremoniously uprooted. So again I ask why should I care about this Israeli Palestinian conflict?

It is entirely your choice on what you choose to give your effs about, but I created this thread with the hope of spreading information on what is actually being experienced by those in Palestine, whose death toll has increased 10-fold compared to that of innocent Israelis and whose streets are riddled with mangled body parts of young children who were born into this oppression by no choice of their own.

I can only speak for my choices, but I am of the firm belief that injustice and inhumanity anywhere is injustice and inhumanity everywhere. And that's how South Africa ended apartheid, and slavery was eventually abolished and European Jews were finally liberated. Human beings and world powers came together to intervene on behalf of the voiceless, helpless and endangered classes of human species. I am in a position of power to utilize a platform to share information. How you choose to receive it has and will always be entirely up to you.

Much blessings to you for the remainder of your Monday.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Ladies, for my whole life this conflict has been going on. I ask now what I asked my Daddy at 5...what does this have to do with US? I really have a predetermined amount of effs to give for non Black issues. Why should my effs be used here?
The Jews estimated 100yrs to eliminate the Palestinians and their ancestral lands and it seems that they're right on schedule...
As I'm typing the Israeli govt is expelling Black people from the country. For what?? They don't even know. American Hebrew Jews, Ethiopian Falasha Jews who consider that place their home are being unceremoniously uprooted. So again I ask why should I care about this Israeli Palestinian conflict?
Don't call any black Jews Falasha's it's like saying the n word with a hard R.

I'm a black Jew and agree that black women keep their capes neatly folded on this issue. Save all your effs sis.

Israel is not exterminating or eliminating people. It doesn't take 100 years to exterminate people packed into two areas like sardines.

BTW - Ya'll are not ready for the Nature Boy hotepery that is the American Hebrew Israelites and their harems. There is a social class distinction between them as black Americans and the Ethiopians. The black Americans were given land in Israel, the Ethiopians were not. The ones who are currently being deported would give Dmitri and Ashley's story on Sister Wives a run for their money.
 

discodumpling

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@Rastafarai I respect your stance on this. Thanks.
@Crackers Phinn the last thing I wanna do is offend. So thanks for the education.
That level of Hotepery will not survive in America..I understand why they want to remain in Israel.
Re: The Palestinians. Are survivors allowed to join Israeli society? Like after their homes are gone where are they "allowed" to live? Do these folks ever find PEACE?
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Re: The Palestinians. Are survivors allowed to join Israeli society? Like after their homes are gone where are they "allowed" to live? Do these folks ever find PEACE?
The Palestinians will never be allowed to join Israeli society as full citizens. Attempts were made after the British occupation to make it work peacefully with the Palestinians including Jews purchasing land (with sales being voided with no refund). Palestinians let the Arab league in their ear and multiple battles followed. The final line pissed in the sand was when the Palestinian elected government joined the fighting on Germany's side in WWII in exchange for removing the Jews from Israel. Even if you argue that the Palestinians were desperate and turned to the Nazi's to get their land back, how would that have worked out for the rest of the world (black people) if Germany won the war?

Haj Amin al-Husseini Appointed Mufti of Jerusalem. Haj Amin al-Husseini was the most prominent Arab figure in Palestine during the Mandatory period. (Mufti = a Muslim legal expert who is empowered to give rulings on religious matters)

Haj Amin al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler in Nazi Germany, 1941

Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, in Nazi Germany ,1943.

All of this is on the Googles if you think I'm being a biased Jew and making stuff up that the people who now invoke the image of MLK and George Floyd to gain black empathy and alliance also endorsed their leadership to appeal to Nazis for empathy and alliance.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
People are way too emotionally invested in this. I don’t like how IRL folks are trying to force everyone to pick a side in a conflict that has very little to do with them.
I'm curious, are these black people or some of everybody?
 

dicapr

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First thing to understand is Hamas is an elected political party, not some random unorganized street gang. Hamas is on some Trump :censored: as far as not caring about body counts cuz that keeps the base hype.

Status Report 5/16/21

Israel to Hamas: Stop launching rockets at Jewish cities and we will stop dropping on buildings we think that you are controlling the launching the rockets from.
Hamas to Israel : Nah
Israel to Hamas: Have it your way.

If the air strikes were an extermination, Gaza would be leveled with no terms of engagement.

As for the charge that there’s a difference between launching rockets vs dropping bombs: Would that perspective change if the rockets were being launched at the U.S? If Mexico launched rockets at Texas or California, who here would care what kind of smoke they got back in return? Especially considering the response to planes flown into buildings.
I get what you are saying but even if it was the US I would still find the response to be overkill. Yes Israel can and should defend themselves. But their response is like burning down your house because you saw a few bugs.

ETA: I believe there is enough wrong on both sides to go around. I’m not pro anyone in this situation. They need calm and reason on both sides.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
I get what you are saying but even if it was the US I would still find the response to be overkill. Yes Israel can and should defend themselves. But their response is like burning down your house because you saw a few bugs.
Ok let's say I'm on your side and call it overkill, what would be a reasonable response?
 

dicapr

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Ok let's say I'm on your side and call it overkill, what would be a reasonable response?
They need to systematically round up and prosecute the terrorist. I’m actually fine with a black ops type of response. Drag the perpetrators from their home in the dead of night if you want to. killing children and people too poor to get out of the conflict zone is just bad optics.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
They need to systematically round up and prosecute the terrorist. I’m actually fine with a black ops type of response. Drag the perpetrators from their home in the dead of night if you want to. killing children and people too poor to get out of the conflict zone is just bad optics.
I hear you but like I said in my first post when Israel does that. This is what Hamas does.

Again, I realize that I am biased but Google isn't. Search "Palestinian Child Suicide Bombers". There are articles from non Jewish sources and plenty of images. There is an article from the U.N. on the first page about Hamas practice of strapping bombs on kids and pointing them at Israeli troops. Hamas sets up operations specifically using civilian families and press as human shields and then use the bodies as a photo op to say "Look what the Jews did!" Kids will stand between black ops and Hamas and we get the same headlines.
 

Kanky

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I hear you but like I said in my first post when Israel does that. This is what Hamas does.

Again, I realize that I am biased but Google isn't. Search "Palestinian Child Suicide Bombers". There are articles from non Jewish sources and plenty of images. There is an article from the U.N. on the first page about Hamas practice of strapping bombs on kids and pointing them at Israeli troops. Hamas sets up operations specifically using civilian families and press as human shields and then use the bodies as a photo op to say "Look what the Jews did!" Kids will stand between black ops and Hamas and we get the same headlines.
That is such a disturbing gif. :sad: I’m not googling it and will take your word on it.


They need to systematically round up and prosecute the terrorist. I’m actually fine with a black ops type of response. Drag the perpetrators from their home in the dead of night if you want to. killing children and people too poor to get out of the conflict zone is just bad optics.
Is this even realistically possible? Which country has ever managed to do this? And to be honest, if I lived in a city that was having rockets fired at it, I would not care what my government did in response so long as the rockets stopped.
 

IDareT'sHair

PJ Rehabilitation Center
I personally could see the US calling BLM a "Terrorist Organization" (like they tried to do in the previous administration) and randomly start killing Black Folks in this same manner, just because the government has labeled it a terrorist organization and systematically start exterminating people and killing us with impunity.

You say certain things enough times people start to believe it. Words Matter.

Admittedly, I don't know much about Hamas, the PLO or any other Palestinian organizations (except how the "West" has reported it and want us to believe it). But I want to see the Palestinian People "FREE"

I do not support the actions of Israel and I am vehemently against any/all Apartheid systems which I feel the people in Gaza are being subjected to with restricted mobility and no freedom to leave, work or enjoy life.

And I do not support my tax dollars or the Billions of dollars being sent to Israel to buy weaponry without any oversight or accountability.

It just sounds too much like something that could have very well happened to us in this country and we're not too far from it as our Civil rights being rolled back and being killed by the police.

I don't believe the people currently occupying Israel are the "True Jews". I believe they are the Kazar's. I do believe how the Balfour Agreement established the 1948 "State of Israel." Israel wants to occupy the entirety of the land through the tactics they are fully implementing including establishing settlements on already occupied land.
 

dicapr

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That is such a disturbing gif. :sad: I’m not googling it and will take your word on it.



Is this even realistically possible? Which country has ever managed to do this? And to be honest, if I lived in a city that was having rockets fired at it, I would not care what my government did in response so long as the rockets stopped.
I grew up in a military community. My sympathies lie with the regular folk who usually end up dying because those in power send them out to do their dirty work and put them in harms way.
 

discodumpling

Well-Known Member
The Palestinians will never be allowed to join Israeli society as full citizens. Attempts were made after the British occupation to make it work peacefully with the Palestinians including Jews purchasing land (with sales being voided with no refund). Palestinians let the Arab league in their ear and multiple battles followed. The final line pissed in the sand was when the Palestinian elected government joined the fighting on Germany's side in WWII in exchange for removing the Jews from Israel. Even if you argue that the Palestinians were desperate and turned to the Nazi's to get their land back, how would that have worked out for the rest of the world (black people) if Germany won the war?

Haj Amin al-Husseini Appointed Mufti of Jerusalem. Haj Amin al-Husseini was the most prominent Arab figure in Palestine during the Mandatory period. (Mufti = a Muslim legal expert who is empowered to give rulings on religious matters)

Haj Amin al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler in Nazi Germany, 1941

Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, in Nazi Germany ,1943.

All of this is on the Googles if you think I'm being a biased Jew and making stuff up that the people who now invoke the image of MLK and George Floyd to gain black empathy and alliance also endorsed their leadership to appeal to Nazis for empathy and alliance.
Girl I seen the Googles! Both sides ain't got no love for Black people...not even their very own Black people. Good luck to both of em I guess.
 
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