@ this. The US has already labeled black people fighting for freedom terrorists and bombed them. We dealt with it, and I don’t recall any Palestinians helping us out. People really need to stop comparing every struggle to Black people’s situation in America. It is not the same.I personally could see the US calling BLM a "Terrorist Organization" (like they tried to do in the previous administration) and randomly start killing Black Folks in this same manner, just because the government has labeled it a terrorist organization and systematically start exterminating people and killing us with impunity.
You say certain things enough times people start to believe it. Words Matter.
Admittedly, I don't know much about Hamas, the PLO or any other Palestinian organizations (except how the "West" has reported it and want us to believe it). But I want to see the Palestinian People "FREE"
I do not support the actions of Israel and I am vehemently against any/all Apartheid systems which I feel the people in Gaza are being subjected to with restricted mobility and no freedom to leave, work or enjoy life.
And I do not support my tax dollars or the Billions of dollars being sent to Israel to buy weaponry without any oversight or accountability.
It just sounds too much like something that could have very well happened to us in this country and we're not too far from it as our Civil rights being rolled back and being killed by the police.
I don't believe the people currently occupying Israel are the "True Jews". I believe they are the Kazar's. I do believe how the Balfour Agreement established the 1948 "State of Israel." Israel wants to occupy the entirety of the land through the tactics they are fully implementing including establishing settlements on already occupied land.
The whole they didn’t do anything for us argument doesn’t fit here. The Palestinians can’t keep their homes due to gentrification. They sure aren’t going to be checking for US politics.@ this. The US has already labeled black people fighting for freedom terrorists and bombed them. We dealt with it, and I don’t recall any Palestinians helping us out. People really need to stop comparing every struggle to Black people’s situation in America. It is not the same.
I also give a strong side eye to anyone who wants to bring the Palestinians here. We have enough racists.
The point was that no one will be coming to our rescue should that happen again. Knowing that it makes zero sense to fight or make enemies on their behalf.The whole they didn’t do anything for us argument doesn’t fit here. The Palestinians can’t keep their homes due to gentrification. They sure aren’t going to be checking for US politics.
I know what you mean but the argument in general never made sense for me. It’s like one homeless person faulting another homeless person for not doing more to help them get off the streets. I agree that the US needs a hands off approach-including not supplying weapons to either side.The point was that no one will be coming to our rescue should that happen again. Knowing that it makes zero sense to fight or make enemies on their behalf.
Well, I pray Public Opinion changes like it did with Apartheid in South Africa and end the Cruel, inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people, who the "West" also labeled as "terrorist" and "terrorist organizations" when they were simply fighting for their freedom to exist, live and to be treated like human beings.
Public Opinion must force the change as it did in SA.
I'm all about "Peace" for all. Life is far too short and far too difficult.
Hamas sets up operations specifically using civilian families and press as human shields and then use the bodies as a photo op to say "Look what the Jews did!"
There are many resources out there, as I'm also interested in understanding the history behind this conflict. I've just recently ordered a book mentioned upthread that was written by an Israeli professor, Ilan Pappé entitled "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine". I researched his background and his involvement in trying to promote peace in the region. It's telling that even an Israeli Jew is involved in trying to explain the history of his people and their treatment of Palestine and its people.
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Professor Pappé obtained his BA degree from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem in 1979 and the D. Phil from the University of Oxford in 1984.
He founded and directed the Academic Institute for Peace in Givat Haviva, Israel between 1992 to 2000 and was the Chair of the Emil Tuma Institute for Palestine Studies in Haifa between 2000 and 2006.
Professor Pappé was a senior lecturer in the department of Middle Eastern History and the Department of Political Science in Haifa University, Israel between 1984 and 2006.
He was appointed as chair in the department of History in the Cornwall Campus, 2007-2009 and became a fellow of the IAIS in 2010.
His research focuses on the modern Middle East and in particular the history of Israel and Palestine. He has also written on multiculturalism, Critical Discourse Analysis and on Power and Knowledge in general.
Hamas is trash. They could have had a cease fire several days earlier but naw that woulda been too much like right. They needed more dead kid imagery for fundraising.
To those trying to justify the actions of hamas, this is what you’re defending:
But.. but.. but.. "hAmAs iS oNLy tRyiNg tO dEFenD tHEiR pEoPLe aNd tHEir LaNd!"
There are Arabic wealthy countries surrounding that region, why are none them taking them in. You got to be careful who you are siding with. These people aren’t all sweet/innocent victims of the Israeli regime anymore than the Israelis in that area. And as always the west is complicit in this conflict evolving the way it has. There are a lot of hands in the pot.The whole they didn’t do anything for us argument doesn’t fit here. The Palestinians can’t keep their homes due to gentrification. They sure aren’t going to be checking for US politics.
Brilliantly stated, especially the bolded. This is how genocide and exterminations become normalized and even endorsed.I think people are equating Hamas with Palestinians and letting that remove any sympathy. They are in the Middle East in an ongoing war zone; we don’t know how accurate those “elections” are. Bullies usually use intimidation tactic and malicious recruitment to ensure compliance from otherwise neutral parties. Anyone with sense would know one party wouldn’t be able to stay in power for decades with true democratic elections. Those people dying probably just want to be left alone, but they are the bone between two dogs. To blame Palestinians living in basically refugee reservations for the actions of Hamas is rather heartless.
I also think this is low-key a way for Netanyu to remain in power and escape prosecution. I’m positive Hamas and the Israeli government have had back door dealings ever since the conflict started.
I did know this and Israel regime is also getting involved with the water situation between Egypt and Ethiopia. Desalination is extremely costly to maintain.It occurred to me that people don't know that Israel developed technology to create the largest desalinization factory in the world and is the primary source of fresh water in the Middle East. One reason why Arab countries will privately fund Hamas while staying out of the foreground of war on Israel is almost every peace treaty has a "give us water" clause that they ain't trying to mess up. If Palestinians had a shot in hell of reclaiming Israel, they would be occupied immediately by the Arab countries that are funding them and the rest of the ME would negotiate water terms.
I may be mistaken, but wasn’t a cease fire agreed to and then Israeli forces bombed or stormed a Palestinian hospital??As I've said repeatedly and will continue to do so: Dead kids are good for fundraising and PR for Hamas. How many of those kids would still be alive if they agreed to the cease fire when it was first put on the table?
I may be mistaken, but wasn’t a cease fire agreed to and then Israeli forces bombed or stormed a Palestinian hospital??
IMO those people believe in a fairytale Hotepical dogma where turning the other cheek results in something other than getting slapped on both sides.Why do we expect them to have rockets fired at their cities while they respond in a way that results in zero causalities?