That's sad. He killed him because he wanted to. Unless the dad was beating the mom, Kyle could of, when he went inside, he could of called the police and waited.
The dad, Chad was unarmed.
I see the debate is, well he tried to take his gun
He wouldn't of had to if he would of left the gun inside. I don't see how people shouldn't defend themselves when someone comes out with a gun. Are you supposed to stand there and get shot?
That wasn't even his property. He was having an affair and shacking up with the mom of the kids. Chad had a court order to pick up his son at that time. Some affair having cheater shouldn't of asserted himself in that argument. Chad's threat to the mom was ill take yall to court. He didn't lay hands on her. His wife ( kyle) is a judge and had all the records sealed so we, the public, have no other information about what happened other than these released videos.
Then after he shot him, nobody tried to render aid they just stood there arguing. Kyle pulled a Travis McMichael and said that's the last thing he wanted to do. Yeah, ok.
Sad, cold world we live in.
Maybe once more info comes out I'll have a different opinion but this doesn't look justified. They're saying under Texas law it was. I dunno..
After watching the Daniel Hambrick case, Ahmaud's murder and now this maybe I need to take a break from law and order for a while. It's just too easy now to kill someone for stupid reasons.
To me that was not justified. He could of stayed in the house.
Um the man that was shot was in the wrong. He was right about taking them to court but he was wrong when he didn't retreat when someone has a gun and wrong to grab the gun (and missed!!!) Therefore he got shot. If you are bold enough to try to take someone's gun from them (on their property) then please be successful at taking the gun or else you risk being shot and killed!! Like wtf. The man already fired a warning shot and Mr. Dad didn't retreat and still threatens to take the gun and attempts to but fails.
(everybody is saying the short guy is a punk for bringing out a gun.) well the punk obviously feared for his life because what other reason would you bring out a gun for a bigger man on your property that is coming to confront you? Did you really think he was going to knuckle up with the bigger aggressive guy and risk getting beat down?
If you bring out a gun then you better intend on using it or else.
The Shooting was justified but it didn't have to happen.
What's wrong with people not backing down when the other person has a gun? People really do think they are big and bad, immortal and they have a death wish, by keep calling the other's bluff that is holding the gun.
F around and find out.
Kyle is not married to the mom ( Christine). Kyle is the ex husband of the judge ( Ann Marie). Kyle was having an affair with Christine. Their ( Kyle and Ann Marie) divorce was not final until 2 weeks AFTER the shooting. Technically he was still married to Ann Marie. The Mom ( Christine) is NOT the judge.Even though some of the records are now sealed, it sounds like Kyle (the shooter) was/is married to the mom. So yes, he did have reason to assert himself since Chad was threatening his spouse on their property.
As Chad had a scheduled court order to pick up the son, once he saw the mom wasn't complying, he should have called the police for assistance. Maybe because she's a judge he thought she would try something, but still, he shouldn't have escalated it. No, that's not justification for his killing, but there were several times before the fatal shot came where he could have walked
Kyle is not married to the mom ( Christine). Kyle is the ex husband of the judge ( Ann Marie). Kyle was having an affair with Christine. Their ( Kyle and Ann Marie) divorce was not final until 2 weeks AFTER the shooting. Technically he was still married to Ann Marie. The Mom ( Christine) is NOT the judge.
Chad threatened her with going to court no hitting her, threatening to hit her. It was court ordered to pick up his son at 3:15...Christine was purposely hiding him.
My feelings are still that killing Chad over a custody issue is not justified. Chad had the right to be there to pick up his son and the mom didn't have the child there because "she wanted to see her son."
I hate how shooting people over nothing is normalized. I guess I'll just be dead because if someone comes at me with a gun I'm not standing there to get shot. Fight or Flight. Get shot running or try to fight for your life.
Why get the gun if you don't intend to shoot? and he's supposed to just stand there and get shot? That makes no sense to me.
Yes I understand what you're saving however when does someone without a gun have the right to defend themselves against someone with a gun?The whole mess
is senseless.
Why was Christine
not honoring a
court order?
All that drama
and for what?
How does Christine
feel now?
I agree with
fight or flight.
If I can get away
I am going to
walk away.
The only time
it makes sense
to me to fight
with someone armed
with a gun is
if you are
cornered and
the one wielding
the gun is not
giving you an
option to retreat.
That was not
the case here.
Chad was asked
to leave but
chose not to.
Now Kyle is a punk
for getting the
gun and that
action did indeed
make things worse,
as he could have
called cops instead.
But once the gun
was at play,
the minute Chad
threatened to use
it on Kyle
he was treading
on thin ice.
When he then
grabbed it after
that threat, then
he didn't just have
the castle law
working against him,
IMO, but also the
self defense one.
I agree. That was not his property it was Christine's.Kyle is not married to the mom ( Christine). Kyle is the ex husband of the judge ( Ann Marie). Kyle was having an affair with Christine. Their ( Kyle and Ann Marie) divorce was not final until 2 weeks AFTER the shooting. Technically he was still married to Ann Marie. The Mom ( Christine) is NOT the judge.
Chad threatened her with going to court no hitting her, threatening to hit her. It was court ordered to pick up his son at 3:15...Christine was purposely hiding him.
My feelings are still that killing Chad over a custody issue is not justified. Chad had the right to be there to pick up his son and the mom didn't have the child there because "she wanted to see her son."
I hate how shooting people over nothing is normalized. I guess I'll just be dead because if someone comes at me with a gun I'm not standing there to get shot. Fight or Flight. Get shot running or try to fight for your life.
Why get the gun if you don't intend to shoot? and he's supposed to just stand there and get shot? That makes no sense to me.
Kyle is not married to the mom ( Christine). Kyle is the ex husband of the judge ( Ann Marie). Kyle was having an affair with Christine. Their ( Kyle and Ann Marie) divorce was not final until 2 weeks AFTER the shooting. Technically he was still married to Ann Marie. The Mom ( Christine) is NOT the judge.
Chad threatened her with going to court no hitting her, threatening to hit her. It was court ordered to pick up his son at 3:15...Christine was purposely hiding him.
My feelings are still that killing Chad over a custody issue is not justified. Chad had the right to be there to pick up his son and the mom didn't have the child there because "she wanted to see her son."
I hate how shooting people over nothing is normalized. I guess I'll just be dead because if someone comes at me with a gun I'm not standing there to get shot. Fight or Flight. Get shot running or try to fight for your life.
Why get the gun if you don't intend to shoot? and he's supposed to just stand there and get shot? That makes no sense to me.
Yes I understand what you're saving however when does someone without a gun have the right to defend themselves against someone with a gun?
Seems like Ahmaud Arbery then had no rights to defend himself against a shotgun just because the McMichaels brought it to the party and told him to stop.
More times than not a person with a gun isn't just going to let you walk away.
But I digress. If this is justified then there's going to be a lot of dead people over custody issues. No you can't see you kid. I gotta gun. leave or ill shoot you for rightfully coming to get your kid.
If all you gotta do is escalate the issue by going to get your gun and then claim self defense when you kill someone it's gonna be a lot of dead folks getting away with murder. ie the Trayvon Martin type cases.
A lot of people were upset over Rittenhouse being acquitted and he had a gun. What makes his case different when he was threatened by all three victims and killed two of them ( for people upset at him being aquitted).
I'm old school. People cannot fight. And I'm not gonna stand there and just watch you kill me. I'm gonna react. They said the same thing about Ahmaud Aubrey. They were legit mad he went for the gun to disarm them rather than let them shoot him. "Oh here is your gun...please here is my open chest for you to put 2 hot ones in!" I don't understand this logic...other than the shooter just mad when they brandished, the victim didn't shake in their boots. Thus proving the point some people brandish for clout trying to scare people. That's not even steeped in reality.Kyle is not married to the mom ( Christine). Kyle is the ex husband of the judge ( Ann Marie). Kyle was having an affair with Christine. Their ( Kyle and Ann Marie) divorce was not final until 2 weeks AFTER the shooting. Technically he was still married to Ann Marie. The Mom ( Christine) is NOT the judge.
Chad threatened her with going to court no hitting her, threatening to hit her. It was court ordered to pick up his son at 3:15...Christine was purposely hiding him.
My feelings are still that killing Chad over a custody issue is not justified. Chad had the right to be there to pick up his son and the mom didn't have the child there because "she wanted to see her son."
I hate how shooting people over nothing is normalized. I guess I'll just be dead because if someone comes at me with a gun I'm not standing there to get shot. Fight or Flight. Get shot running or try to fight for your life.
Why get the gun if you don't intend to shoot? and he's supposed to just stand there and get shot? That makes no sense to me.
I respect your perspective.It is no different but what makes it worst is
that he was on someone else's property!!!!!! You can NOT come on someone's else's property and demand anything and get in thier face when they don't give you what you are demanding even if it is yours. That is how people get caught up and jailed (OJ) or killed..
This is different from someone coming and chasing you with a gun. The guy fired a warning shot into the ground so he wanted him to walk away. But instead of walking/running away he got in the guys face even more and grabbed the gun. Well that is a chance he took and lost his life. Now he will never see his kid again.
Man listen, I ain't fighting or arguing with No one that's pointing a gun at me over a missed parent visitation. I will take their behinds to court and see that kid during my next visitation. Period.
I respect your perspective.
Many moons ago my husband got shot in the foot after some fool pulled a gun on him. The altercation between them was because my husband accidentally spilled a drink on his shoes when they bumped into each other. He said he immediately apologized but when he left the club that guy was outside and approached him. At the time he was with his late wife.
His choices were to stand there and get shot, try to talk Jim down and back away, or fight.
He chose to fight.
Although he got shot with them wrestling over the gun, he is alive today. Had he tried to back away he thinks that fool would of shot him and his wife.
Now, his military training helped him in this situation so that was a huge factor in him deciding to fight besides the fact he didn't want his wife to get hurt.
We've talked alot about guns and what to do.
I can't say for sure that I'd not freeze up and do nothing but in my head I'm gonna do what I can to survive.
This case was just sad and unnecessary. A whole life taken over a custody argument.
And what does Christine do now? Stay shacked up with the man who was having an affair on his wife? The same man that killed you ex husband and the father of your child that you purposely kept hiding?
It is tragic to me.
Texas Penal Code Section 9.41 explains that a person is allowed to use force, but not deadly force, to terminate a mere trespass or interference with property.
- “Trespass” occurs when a person enters onto or into property, knowing that entry is forbidden or remains on the property after being told to leave by someone with authority.
So, when can you use deadly force in Texas to protect property? Texas law allows you to use deadly force to protect property if you would be justified in using force, and you reasonably believe it is immediately necessary to prevent the imminent commission of specific enumerated property crimes. These are arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime.
This is exactly how I feel.White folks love the idea of being in the Wild Wild West. This was some foolishness. I don't understand how you have a right to kill someone who is outside of your house. The man was able to reenter the house and retrieve a rifle and go back outside. If his life was in jeopardy he could have stayed inside and called the police. But these are the rules white folks want; Start a problem; agitate the other person into aggression; then kill them and claim you're the victim.
I can see a case for both sides. I'm not a lawyer ( though I play one while watching court TV) so a lot of times my opinion doesn't align with the way laws are written.@Jmartjrmd
I enjoy discussions
involving the law
and always appreciate
your input on them.
I had wondered
if castle law
would work in
Kyle's favor but
then someone said
he was not
inside his castle.
Also as you
pointed out,
by going to
get the gun, he
became the aggressor.
So it would
seem that if he
cannot use the
self-defense argument.
Furthermore, Chad
was only guilty
of trespassing since
he was asked to
leave but did not.
So from that
it would indeed
seem as if
Kyle might
be in trouble
for using deadly
force as he
could have called
the police about
the trespassing.
But was Kyle
really wrong to
go for the gun?
Since Chad was
trespassing, Kyle
had a right to
use force to
get him out.
So brandishing
a gun was his
way of using force
(cuz maybe he
knew he could
not fight him)
Another use of
force was firing
a warning shot.
Where use of
deadly force came
into play was
when Chad grabbed
the gun after
he had said he
would use it
to kill Kyle.
It is reasonable
that in the
beginning Kyle feared
the situation might
turn violent and
that Chad could
harm him or
Christine and the
only way he
saw to deal
with someone bigger
than him was
to scare him
off with a gun.
And so he
went to fetch it.
Kyle did not
shoot Chad when
he said he would
kill him with
his own gun,
which may be
considered restraint
in Kyle's part.
Kyle shot Chad
after Chad grabbed
for his gun
to supposedly follow
through with his threat.
Which is why
self-defense may
work in Kyle's favor
cuz there was
the threat then
the action toward
fulfilling that threat
= imminent danger.
In the case
of your hubby
or Ahmaud, they
were "standing
their ground".
They both had
a right to use
force in self-defense
because in both cases,
Aggressor(s) confronted
them and it was
reasonable to assume
they were facing
imminent danger
and were each
in a fight
for their lives.
All the white Kyles except Kyle Mooney from SNL.There seems to be an issue with white men named Kyle. I suggest that we arrest all of the Kyles until we figure out what is going on.